Barbie is on 1st Take... again... recap post #18

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That argument can be used for every guy that never played a down in the NFL, but made the roster of a team.

Except he started half the year his rookie year.

 

[khiladi]

The man played Brad Johnson last year. He played Corey Procter last year. He played Pacman who was coming off missing 6 games. He played Flozell with one arm. He tried to play MBIII with one foot. He brought back Newman too early.

He has a history of not making the right decision.

Notice how four of the six players were actually on offense, the side Wade doesn't coach. As far as Pac-man and Newman, there was legitimate reason to play them. There drop-off in production was nowhere equivalent to playing a Proctor or a Brad Johnson.

 

[khiladi]

Except he started half the year his rookie year.

And what does that have to do with my response? The guy claimed he hasn't gotten a chance to play, which means his argument was predicated on him never getting a chance. If not getting a chance to play is justification for keeping him, then that holds for everybody on the roster.

The fact that he started half the season his rookie year doesn't mean he is great either. The same thing can be said for countless rookie players that sucked as well. They could have gotten an oppurtunity for a numebr of reasons, among them, the starting LB was worse then him, the starting LB got injured, and so on and so forth.

The fact is, the guy has gotten plenty of time to prove himself, including when Bradie James was getting toasted all over the place and playing horrible.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And what does that have to do with my response? The guy claimed he hasn't gotten a chance to play, which means his argument was predicated on him never getting a chance. If not getting a chance to play is justification for keeping him, then that holds for everybody on the roster.

The fact that he started half the season his rookie year doesn't mean he is great either. The same thing can be said for countless rookie players that sucked as well. They could have gotten an oppurtunity for a numebr of reasons, among them, the starting LB was worse then him, the starting LB got injured, and so on and so forth.

The fact is, the guy has gotten plenty of time to prove himself, including when Bradie James was getting toasted all over the place and playing horrible.

UYmm start naming some 'countless' rookies who started there rookie year and went on to suck.

All I am saying is that Parcells did start him and he did play well especially in the playoffs where it counts. Wade has not given him the light of day. Quite honestly Wade has shown himself to not deviate from his opening day roster --heck even his TC opening roster-- unless forced to.

Has there even been a single surprise starter to emerge since Wade got here? And do not include Ratliff because Wade only played him after Ferg tore his bicep. We've seen Pacman and Henry all but handed starting jobs and Burnett stink up the joint for the past two years.

 

[Joe Realist]

Bobby: I think the perceived effect becomes more of a distraction than the actual effect.

Truer words have never been spoken.

Yeah, good line for sure.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Except he started half the year his rookie year.

Um, check the stats again....

And he only played in the first place because Ellis got hurt.

 

[Bleu Star]

He's doing the 1st and 10 segment with Scoop Jackson and Skip. This guy is such a joke. Doesn't it seem like football is just taking up time from his real dream of being on a sports talk show?

Thanks, Bill.

What a true waste of a first round draft pick...

 

[arync]

Carpenter sounds good on TV so I guess he figures he won't be a LB very long so he might as well get ready for life after football

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Um, check the stats again....

And he only played in the first place because Ellis got hurt.

Oh 7 games and he acquitted himself well. He was one of the best players on the field for the playoff game, he shut down Vick etc.

 

[Disturbed]

.....
Felix Jones: barely saw the field despite making big play after big play.
Choice: Only got playing time after injury.
Bennett: Injuries to Hurd, Austin, RW, Witten, and Curits get him on the field. He is phased out even after he has several big games.
Spencer: Ellis is playing like garbage and still gets more snaps and all pass rushing downs.
Free: Flo is on one arm and one leg and this guy doesn't even see a snap.
Ratliff: takes Ferg getting hurt for him to see the field.
Jenkins/Scandrick: Pacman is freelancing, Henry is slow and Newman is hurt yet these two only get playing time when a vet is injured.
.........

Great Analysis. It seems like the last two coaches would only play veterans or old retreads. Too scared to play the younger guys even when they had more talent.

If Wade wants to do anything more than he has done in the past, he must break from this tired routine and play the best player.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

UYmm start naming some 'countless' rookies who started there rookie year and went on to suck.

Ryan Leaf
Akili Smith
Kijana Carter
Curtis Enis
Charles Rogers
Mike Williams - WR
Rae Carruth
Tony Mandarich
Mike Williams - OT
Kevin Allen
Ken MacAfee Jr.
Jarod Bunch

That's a start of just first round blowouts who sucked but started their rookie years. The list is truly countless if you get into it.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ryan Leaf
Akili Smith
Kijana Carter
Curtis Enis
Charles Rogers
Mike Williams - WR
Rae Carruth
Tony Mandarich
Mike Williams - OT
Kevin Allen
Ken MacAfee Jr.
Jarod Bunch

That's a start of just first round blowouts who sucked but started their rookie years. The list is truly countless if you get into it.

I meant started and played well. He played well. You happen to catch the Seattle, Falcons or second Eagles game that year?

Rae Carruth didn't suck he was just a murderer. Mandarich was drafted in 89; Allen in 86. Both of which had substance abuse issues but lets see you went back 24 years and could only come up with ten names. Thats like 700 or so first round picks in that time.

 

[Apollo Creed]

He did win a starting job under Parcells. If you look at Wade since he has been with the Cowboys you will notice he stiucks with his veterans to the point of absurdity.

Felix Jones: barely saw the field despite making big play after big play.
Choice: Only got playing time after injury.
Bennett: Injuries to Hurd, Austin, RW, Witten, and Curits get him on the field. He is phased out even after he has several big games.
Spencer: Ellis is playing like garbage and still gets more snaps and all pass rushing downs.
Free: Flo is on one arm and one leg and this guy doesn't even see a snap.
Ratliff: takes Ferg getting hurt for him to see the field.
Jenkins/Scandrick: Pacman is freelancing, Henry is slow and Newman is hurt yet these two only get playing time when a vet is injured.

Lets face it with Thomas on the roster there was no way Wade was going to take him off the field. Once James showed that he could play two years ago that was it. Everyone likes to forget that Parcells started Carp over Singleton 3 years ago and he played well.

If Felix Jones can light the world on fire and still not get 10 snaps a game then what makes you think anyone else has a chance. Wade SUCKS at developing players.

Did he play well, or did he just play?

And Felix/Choice/Bennett not getting touches would be RJ's fault, right?

 

[superpunk]

Bobby: I just play the games

No you don't.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I still think I'm going to win the lottery some day.

yes, but did Skip say that? :

 

[Doomsay]

You'll notice they do not talk about what he says but rather just that he saying anything.

I agree, fans don't want to be reminded of our worst first round pick of the decade, so anytime he represents the team publicly he raises their ire, regardless of what he says. He's had plenty of time to earn a backup role on defense where he could potentially earn a starting or 3rd down role on his own merritt. But he hasn't.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I meant started and played well. He played well. You happen to catch the Seattle, Falcons or second Eagles game that year?

Rae Carruth didn't suck he was just a murderer. Mandarich was drafted in 89; Allen in 86. Both of which had substance abuse issues but lets see you went back 24 years and could only come up with ten names. Thats like 700 or so first round picks in that time.

There are quite a few more than 10 if someone was inclined to sit around for a while and look at every single pick in the top 3 rounds for the last 25 years you'd find quite a few people who would fall under what you're looking for.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

1993 – Rick Mirer : Started rookie year and showed some real promise, only to be an enormous bust.

1994 – Heath Shuler: Started rookie year, was supposed to be the franchise QB of Washington, and just flat out sucked his whole career.

1996 – Tony Banks: Started rookie year, sucked every single season after that.

1998 – Ryan Leaf, which was already mentioned.

1999 – Tim Couch and Cade McNown: Both started their rookie years, both showed flashes, both completely sucked.

2002 – Joey Harrington and David Carr. Both started, both had their moments, neither has been worth a crap in their NFL careers.

2005 – Kyle Orton…need I say more?

2006 – Vince Young…I don’t think anyone can dispute he showed some stuff his first year only to have the job taken from him by Kerry Collins by his third year. To this point he’s a bust.

That’s 9 right there since 1992 and that’s ONLY the QB busts.

Should we take a look at some other positions? Sure lets do that.

1993 – Reggie Brooks & Ronald Moore: Both started at Runningback as rookies, both gained over 1000 yards, neither are players that anyone would remember today. I believe Brooks got a whole 4 years out of his pathetic career.

1994 – Errict Rhett: Supposedly the next ‘Emmitt Smith’ out of Florida. Showed promise his rookie year, went on to be absolutely nothing.

Bam Morris: Supposedly was the future, after Foster, only he not only sucked but couldn’t stay out of trouble. Bust.

1995 – Rashaan Salaam: Ran for over 1000 yards his rookie year then never did a thing after that. Big time bust.

1996 – Tim Biakabutuka & Lawerance Phillips – Both first round picks, both showed flashes, both sucked.

1998 – Curtis Enis – Sucked, sucked, sucked.

1999 – Orlandis Gary & Ricky Williams : Gary ran for over 1000 yards and then sort of didn’t do much and Williams, who the house was given up for by the Saints, didn’t total 1000 but 1 time in 3 years in New Orleans, had a couple nice seasons in Miami but left football after suspensions, came back hasn’t done much, and has ultimately been a bust given where he was drafted.

2000 – Ron Dayne anyone?

2001 – Anthony Thomas, Travis Henry

2002 – William Green, TJ Duckett

And I think I can stop there. That’s just the QBs from 1992 – 2008 and the Runningbacks from 1992 – 2002 and you can see there are a crap load of guys who drafted, started/played significant time and completely sucked.

It happens all the time.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

I meant started and played well. He played well. You happen to catch the Seattle, Falcons or second Eagles game that year?

Rae Carruth didn't suck he was just a murderer. Mandarich was drafted in 89; Allen in 86. Both of which had substance abuse issues but lets see you went back 24 years and could only come up with ten names. Thats like 700 or so first round picks in that time.

I Googled "draft day busts" and one article popped up which I referenced. I believe there's a quick list right above this post too. There are TONS of crapped out players that were a flash in the pan or "the next (insert name here)" that never amounted to much other than an agent's 2.5% commission.