Bashing Jerry

[Doomsday101]

Sounds like the Jeff Fisher deal.

Still says fired to me.

A 'nice', 'cordial' firing, but a firing nonetheless.

Just my opinion.

Thanks for posting that by the way.

I think it is a bit more complicated than that. Jerry wanted Jimmy to commit or quit. As things were being said in the press Jimmy got upset and they came to an agreement.

Really this whole deal started when Jacksonville was given a franchise and Jimmy was being asked about becoming the HC in Jacksonville Jimmy would not deny it or rule it out and that upset Jerry. Things got worse at the owners meeting

 

[iceberg]

I think it is a bit more complicated than that. Jerry wanted Jimmy to commit or quit. As things were being said in the press Jimmy got upset and they came to an agreement.

Really this whole deal started when Jacksonville was given a franchise and Jimmy was being asked about becoming the HC in Jacksonville Jimmy would not deny it or rule it out and that upset Jerry. Things got worse at the owners meeting

a damn good team came to an end.

"the team" did.

i'll never understand the facination with a singular blame. two grown men decided to go different ways and that becomes a lifelong controversy.

 

[Stash]

I think it is a bit more complicated than that. Jerry wanted Jimmy to commit or quit. As things were being said in the press Jimmy got upset and they came to an agreement.

Really this whole deal started when Jacksonville was given a franchise and Jimmy was being asked about becoming the HC in Jacksonville Jimmy would not deny it or rule it out and that upset Jerry. Things got worse at the owners meeting

Most definitely a lot of moving parts and plenty of blame to go around.

Nether party was blameless in that 'divorce' and I think both men realize that.

It's probably why their relationship has improved over time.

 

[Doomsday101]

a damn good team came to an end.

"the team" did.

i'll never understand the facination with a singular blame. two grown men decided to go different ways and that becomes a lifelong controversy.

2 big egos but it was the egos that helped achive the greatness and the egos that brought it down. Jerry is the man left standing so it is natural that he is the one who will take the abuse but yes Jimmy was just as much at fault.

As I said I think the biggest move any GM can make is naming of a HC all I can hope for is Jerry made the right call in naming Garrett the HC

 

[Dave_in-NC]

a damn good team came to an end.

"the team" did.

i'll never understand the facination with a singular blame. two grown men decided to go different ways and that becomes a lifelong controversy.

That's because you rarely see success as quickly as they got it. Now it's the chicken/egg deal.

 

[iceberg]

2 big egos but it was the egos that helped achive the greatness and the egos that brought it down. Jerry is the man left standing so it is natural that he is the one who will take the abuse but yes Jimmy was just as much at fault.

As I said I think the biggest move any GM can make is naming of a HC all I can hope for is Jerry made the right call in naming Garrett the HC

i don't think anyone is "at fault". sometimes the ride, no matter how fun, ends. many respect the fact two men seperated on good terms, others are mad the ride is over. a team like jones and johnson doesn't come around often so i can understand people "wanting to get the band back together" but that seldom works and memories are never what they were today.

2 alpha dogs played together for awhile and did some amazing things. one dog decided to leave and they part as friends.

some people can't part and still respect who they parted with. they now must be the enemy so they don't have to feel like it was their own fault.

sometimes its life and no one is to blame. (can't make hojo's video work for some reason and gots reporting to do)

 

[Doomsday101]

Most definitely a lot of moving parts and plenty of blame to go around.

Nether party was blameless in that 'divorce' and I think both men realize that.

It's probably why their relationship has improved over time.

I agree. I'm sure there is regret on both sides. I'm glad that over the years the relationship has improved. Seems Jimmy has opened himself up to giving Garrett advice and hopefully Jimmy will continue to give advice when asked.

 

[iceberg]

That's because you rarely see success as quickly as they got it. Now it's the chicken/egg deal.

agreed. what they did was amazing and rare but we act like it should happen all the time. we're on a long stretch to be sure but we're not alone here.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Birds evolved from dinosaurs that laid eggs, which had evolved from fish that did the same.


For some once a decision has been made then second guessing just interferes with more important things, like feeling the compulsion to justify irrational behavior.

 

[iceberg]

Birds evolved from dinosaurs that laid eggs, which had evolved from fish that did the same.

For some once a decision has been made then second guessing just interferes with more important things, like feeling the compulsion to justify irrational behavior.

did you get a batch of bad chinese fortune cookies in?

their decision was not yours to make anymore than i should have a right to tell you what to do with your life.

 

[bsheeern]

That's because you rarely see success as quickly as they got it. Now it's the chicken/egg deal.

Still waiting on that GM list.

Just goes back to the theory of who is better. Would like to know who you would prefer.

 

[iceberg]

Still waiting on that GM list.

Just goes back to the theory of who is better. Would like to know who you would prefer.

dave doesn't normally play that game or get into it as heavily as some.

but yea, i've tried asking for what consitutes a good GM, and how jones compares to the rest in the last 15 years and was more or less told to bugger off.

thinking does remove a lot of whining, so focus. : )

to be fair, i like the way stash defends his stance and while we've disagreed on some things quite deeply in the past, we usually get to a common ground.

 

[bsheeern]

dave doesn't normally play that game or get into it as heavily as some.

but yea, i've tried asking for what consitutes a good GM, and how jones compares to the rest in the last 15 years and was more or less told to bugger off.

thinking does remove a lot of whining, so focus. : )

to be fair, i like the way stash defends his stance and while we've disagreed on some things quite deeply in the past, we usually get to a common ground.

I don't think Jerry is the best GM in the league. I do think he is one of the better gms in the game though. Top ten for sure. Being a GM in sports is one of the hardest places to be a GM. So many variables come into play that most businesses don't have to deal with. Like injuries for example.

I just like to see where people come up with their conclusions. To me it's impossible to judge a GM unless you know some sort of scale. The good(top) and the bottom(bad). Most know the bad gm's but that's it. They see a team have success and think " they must have a good gm". But they dont even know who the gm is or how long hes been there or what decisions and moves they have made.
How can you say someone is or isn't doing a good job unless you know what you are comparing it to. It's like saying Plastic is bad for the environment but yet you don't know anything about the other options. Sure plastic might have quite a few negatives but if it's the best out there then how can you say it's really bad. It's the best we have and until something better is developed or you develop it.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

dave doesn't normally play that game or get into it as heavily as some.

but yea, i've tried asking for what consitutes a good GM, and how jones compares to the rest in the last 15 years and was more or less told to bugger off.

thinking does remove a lot of whining, so focus. : )

to be fair, i like the way stash defends his stance and while we've disagreed on some things quite deeply in the past, we usually get to a common ground.

Thnx Ice, your right. Who a great, good or bad GM is really a matter of opinion coupled with the body of work with out all known circumstances.
I happen to have an opinion of the Dallas GM because I have watched him from day one.

 

[bsheeern]

Thnx Ice, your right. Who a great, good or bad GM is really a matter of opinion coupled with the body of work with out all known circumstances.
I happen to have an opinion of the Dallas GM because I have watched him from day one.

Hahahahahhaha you've watched him from game one??? I guess you have General Manager Sunday Ticket. Is he the only one you have watched? Do you have the full hd package? Lololololol

I knew you wouldn't take the challenge. I knew would hide behind excuses and this proves it. You are like most though. You complain just to be complaining as if it gives you an excuse to blame someone because you need to blame someone. It's to hard for you to understand the rationale that things can be less than what you expect but more than you deserve.

This is where I put your name in a mental folder about this subject. The folder is marked "Sheep". You have earned you position in this folder as a poster who has no reason for thinking a certain way other than to follow a herd of other sheep. You have no research on the subject other than what you have "herd" (get it herd) other sheep say. The types of sheep who only run from wolves because yet again it's what the see the other sheep doing. It only takes one sheep to run and the others follow, often not knowing or really thinking about why or what they are running for. Remember that.

 

[T-RO]

Still waiting on that GM list.

Just goes back to the theory of who is better. Would like to know who you would prefer.

It's easy for anyone to answer that question. It's so easy in fact that we laugh at people who ask the question.

All of the GMs in the league would be preferred to Jones. Every one of them. Plus 500 or so true football men around the league and near it.

Jones has even conceded that nobody else would ever hire him as GM.

Jerry has flunked every test: he's a draft dimwit; he's made 2 of the worst three trades in the past decade. He mismanages and meddles and muddies everything he touches.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Hahahahahhaha you've watched him from game one??? I guess you have General Manager Sunday Ticket. Is he the only one you have watched? Do you have the full hd package? Lololololol

I knew you wouldn't take the challenge. I knew would hide behind excuses and this proves it. You are like most though. You complain just to be complaining as if it gives you an excuse to blame someone because you need to blame someone. It's to hard for you to understand the rationale that things can be less than what you expect but more than you deserve.

This is where I put your name in a mental folder about this subject. The folder is marked "Sheep". You have earned you position in this folder as a poster who has no reason for thinking a certain way other than to follow a herd of other sheep. You have no research on the subject other than what you have "herd" (get it herd) other sheep say. The types of sheep who only run from wolves because yet again it's what the see the other sheep doing. It only takes one sheep to run and the others follow, often not knowing or really thinking about why or what they are running for. Remember that.

LMAO ohhh look at you. What I am trying to figure out is what your point actually is. Here is what I think it is.

Based on thirty one other GMs Jerry is great. your opinion, based on what facts? The early nineties? Switzer? The Campo era? Gailey?
Credit due? Jimmy and Parcells. JG yet to be seen. So he hit on two of five coaches we have a sample of. If you ask some he missed on Parcells, so he hit on one. You said your self that Jerry was correct that any body could have coached the team after Jimmy, so lets chalk Switzer up to just that.

QBs since Aikman. Carter, Hutchinson, Henson, Wright, Leaf,Stomer, Bledsoe, VT, Johnson, Romo,

 

[bsheeern]

It's easy for anyone to answer that question. It's so easy in fact that we laugh at people who ask the question.

All of the GMs in the league would be preferred to Jones. Every one of them. Plus 500 or so true football men around the league and near it.

Jones has even conceded that nobody else would ever hire him as GM.

Jerry has flunked every test: he's a draft dimwit; he's made 2 of the worst three trades in the past decade. He mismanages and meddles and muddies everything he touches.

I know it's so easy you still haven't named one. Go ahead, hit File, Open new window, type www.google.com, goto search window and type "NFL general managers" , goto post from Wiki That list the gm's. This will give you their names. You can the go back to the search bar on google home page and do a search on each on. You can get a decent amount of their track record here.
Or if you want to go off of other places that have listed them and ranked them, you will see sites like Forbes.com, or nfldraftbible.com.


Hope this helps you learn

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Hahahahahhaha you've watched him from game one??? I guess you have General Manager Sunday Ticket. Is he the only one you have watched? Do you have the full hd package? Lololololol

I knew you wouldn't take the challenge. I knew would hide behind excuses and this proves it. You are like most though. You complain just to be complaining as if it gives you an excuse to blame someone because you need to blame someone. It's to hard for you to understand the rationale that things can be less than what you expect but more than you deserve.

This is where I put your name in a mental folder about this subject. The folder is marked "Sheep". You have earned you position in this folder as a poster who has no reason for thinking a certain way other than to follow a herd of other sheep. You have no research on the subject other than what you have "herd" (get it herd) other sheep say. The types of sheep who only run from wolves because yet again it's what the see the other sheep doing. It only takes one sheep to run and the others follow, often not knowing or really thinking about why or what they are running for. Remember that.

LMAO ohhh look at you. What I am trying to figure out is what your point actually is. Here is what I think it is.

Based on thirty one other GMs Jerry is great. your opinion, based on what facts? The early nineties? Switzer? The Campo era? Gailey?
Credit due? Jimmy and Parcells. JG yet to be seen. So he hit on two of five coaches we have a sample of. If you ask some he missed on Parcells, so he hit on one. You said your self that Jerry was correct that any body could have coached the team after Jimmy, so lets chalk Switzer up to just that.

QBs since Aikman. None, until Romo. Holly cow , six years with out any thing that even resembled a young up and coming QB. Not an important enough position I guess. O line not even worth discussing as of the last few years.
DBs, wonderful GM job going on there. How about our three headed RB attack? Oh wait that was Phillips fault, the coach the GM hired after his failed history every where else. Oh wait that is all his advisers fault. Even though Jerry says he has final say from socks to jocks.

Here is the problem you and I are having. You think your a wolf, I think your a joke. I think you need the respect of this forum so bad you will just go with the flow. I could care less. I state what I think and some times not what is popular with the forum big boys. Talk about sheep, your the favorite sheep on rainbow ranch in my opinion.

I even forgot to mention the NFLs most scumnag players list he's compiled as GM.

 

[bsheeern]

LMAO ohhh look at you. What I am trying to figure out is what your point actually is. Here is what I think it is.

Based on thirty one other GMs Jerry is great. your opinion, based on what facts? The early nineties? Switzer? The Campo era? Gailey?
Credit due? Jimmy and Parcells. JG yet to be seen. So he hit on two of five coaches we have a sample of. If you ask some he missed on Parcells, so he hit on one. You said your self that Jerry was correct that any body could have coached the team after Jimmy, so lets chalk Switzer up to just that.

QBs since Aikman. Carter, Hutchinson, Henson, Wright, Leaf,Stomer, Bledsoe, VT, Johnson, Romo,

Since you obviously don't get my point or many others views that disagree with you, I'll spell it out.

You don't know much about GM's. You don't know who the good ones are. Your bashing can't be taken seriously because you have no idea what the criteria is to being a good GM.

Just think about a fan who only watches 1 college team play and only that 1 team for years and then goes back to tell his friends about what he sees. The fan says the QB of his college team is no good. He tells them that the QB throws atleast 15 incompletions a game. He says the QB only won Half the games he started and wasn't even the best QB on his team. Would you trust what this fan thinks?

Now Do you see what I'm getting at? You are judging Jerry based upon only watching Jerry. Your not judging based upon his peers at the same job. Most people know what a good steak taste like. But you don't believe a vegetarian when thy tell you which steaks taste better than others do you? Would you trust them to tell you whether a steak taste better than a soy steak. Surely they will tell you the soy steak is better because they don't know what other steaks taste like for the most part.