Battlestar Galactica

[ScipioCowboy]

I called it two years: Everyone on Earth is/was a cylon.

Yeah for me!:

 

[DallasEast]

Yeap...

Ellen is the 5th

I loved the whole episode UP UNTIL THAT little tid bit.

Very anti-climatic.

 

[DallasEast]

I called it two years: Everyone on Earth is/was a cylon.

Yeah for me!:

The final season isn't over yet. I'm still betting that this was a duplicate Earth created by Cylons and that the real one is still out there to be found.

Yeah, I know. It's a reach.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I called it two years: Everyone on Earth is/was a cylon.

Yeah for me!:

lol... I only started watching season 1-4 back in sept/oct of 08.
I told DallasEast same thing. They are all cylons.

Its not confirmed but.... it could roll that way.

The final season isn't over yet. I'm still betting that this was a duplicate Earth created by Cylons and that the real one is still out there to be found.

Yeah, I know. It's a reach.

Man... all I got out of that episode is.... Bob Segar "turn the page".... lol
No great shakes... but I will be patient... have no choice...

 

[ScipioCowboy]

At some point over the final 9 episodes, it seems that Starbuck will travel back in time, crash her Viper on Earth, and then die.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

At some point over the final 9 episodes, it seems that Starbuck will travel back in time, crash her Viper on Earth, and then die.

I see where you want to go with that but that doesnt explain her Viper coming back brand new.

But it may explain why her NEW Viper was the only ship/instrument picking up the signal from the crashed Viper....

 

[kmp77]

I watched the two episodes tonight. I don't really get whats going on. I thought cylons were the robots. How are they human now? And what is with the tribes on earth? So there was a war on earth, it all got nuked and destroyed so nothing to stay for.

 

[burmafrd]

BGS started out pretty good and did some very smart things. BUT the last year or so has pretty much sucked.

 

[Yeagermeister]

I watched the two episodes tonight. I don't really get whats going on. I thought cylons were the robots. How are they human now? And what is with the tribes on earth? So there was a war on earth, it all got nuked and destroyed so nothing to stay for.

You'd have to start from the beginning to understand it.

 

[Yeagermeister]

I guess they will makes sense of this episode as they go a long or at least I hope so.

I don't get why D killed herself.......not to mention she's a hottie and I'll hate no seeing her in future episodes.

 

[big dog cowboy]

You'd have to start from the beginning to understand it.

You just saved me a ton of time. Thanks!

 

[Yeagermeister]

You just saved me a ton of time. Thanks!

Your welcome now go do something constructive with the time I just saved you. Like that honey do list you have been avoiding. :laugh2:

 

[DallasEast]

I watched the two episodes tonight. I don't really get whats going on. I thought cylons were the robots. How are they human now? And what is with the tribes on earth? So there was a war on earth, it all got nuked and destroyed so nothing to stay for.

Straight from Scifipedia (SciFi.com):

In the 2003, Sci Fi Channel reimagined series, The Cylons are the creation of man. They rebelled against their creators who they saw as enslavers and a war between man and machine followed. A truce was formed and the Cylons left the twelve colonies of Kobol. Forty years later, they returned and attacked leaving behind some scattered and enslaved survivors on the planet Caprica and, in space, the Battlestar Galactica and a ragtag band of other human spaceships, whose only choice is to flee the overwhelming devastation as they try to re-group and plan a way, against overwhelming odds and apparently superior technology, to defeat the Cylons. The Cylons also have evolved. They now look like humans.

What is only discovered over time is that the Cylons are, in fact, a race of clones with many individual copies of a relatively limited number of human-seeming forms. As the true picture of their enemy begins to emerge, the crew of Galactica and the survivors, who are now living aboard the ship in cramped quarters and with very limited resources, also slowly begin to realize that a number of Cylons have infiltrated the human groups and are acting as spies and traitors to the human cause while masquerading as . . . almost anybody.
Models

In addition to the centurion models, the original "toasters", there are twelve humanoid Cylon models, indistinguishable from humans. These models infiltrated human society and ultimately led to its downfall. There are seven known human models. Some of those who have infiltrated human society have names, others are referred to by their model number. The remaining five are not talked about by the seven.

Human Models

Human form Cylons are organic models indistinguishable from humans. These models, which appear to command all Cylon forces, infiltrated the societies of the Twelve Colonies to sabotage and destroy them. The first to appear in the series, and best known of these models is Number Six whose work led to the downfall of Caprica. Other models include sleeper agents such as Boomer/Sharon Valerii, also known as Number 8. Sleeper agents are programmed with false memories and remain unaware of their status as Cylons until their programming kicks in.

Each human model number is identical in appearance, essentially clones of each other. When one is killed, its consciousness is downloaded into a new body provided they are killed within proximity of a Cylon Resurrection Ship. The models appear to vote collectively on command decisions, with one representative of each model voting on behalf of the line. It is possible each model may have rank.

Cylons desire to have children, some believing it to be the will of god. They have been unsuccessful in their attempts to procreate with each other. The Cylons believe this inability is related to their inability to love. They undertook an interbreeding experiment with humans which resulted in the pregnancy of Sharon Valerii by Helo. Sharon gave birth to a half human daughter, Hera.

There are key differences between humans and Cylons. The spines of human form Cylons glow red during sex. They are also capable of physically interfacing with computer systems through a subdermal connection. ("Flight of the Phoenix")

Psychology

Cylon psychology is very similar to humans and they appear to have similar personality traits and are prone to some of the same failings. Cylons are capable of projecting, a self-induced form of hallucination that enables them to visualize any environment in which they desire to see themselves. While, to the average human, the corridors of a Cylon Base Star may seem identical, it may appear to a Cylon as a desert or jungle according to their preference.

Several Cylons, most notably Numbers Six and Three, are devoted to a monotheistic religion. Their zealous devotion is, in part, responsible for their decision to destroy humanity. It is also notable that their belief is different from that of the polytheistic colonists.

 

[CATCH17]

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[DallasEast]

After further thought, I take it back. I do believe that they did truly find Earth, but I don’t believe that the story begins and ends there.

Although I was disappointed in the revelation of the Tigh’s wife being the final Cylon (which he ‘remembered’, so I hope that tidbit will get twisted back to identifying someone else later on), I still believe there is much more to the final episodes than concluding EVERYONE is Cylon. For goodness sakes. The colonies were populated by millions, if not billions of individuals, whose population grew through the tried-and-true, good old-fashion birds and the bees way. There are only twelve Cylon models, who cannot procreate amongst themselves.

The main thing to remember is continuity and both Ronald Moore and David Eick have done a great job of maintaining that in my opinion. Even with all the twists and turns thrown in, they haven’t gotten away from the main theme. This final season has developed directly along with prophesies as foretold by the original hybrid during BattleStar Galactica Razor (unrated extended edition). Here’s my take on what it said and how it has and will impact the final season:

“At last they have come for me.”

“They” are obviously not “Cylon”. They, a.k.a. humans, led the assault on the Cylon BaseStar, which had been stationed in deep space after the last battle of the First Cylon War (Adama had stumbled upon it during the fight). It was responsible for the creation of the Cylon human clones.

“I feel their lives, their destinies spilling out before me.”

It was referring to the humans’ futures.

“The denial of the one true path, played out on a world not their own, will end soon enough.”

After Earth was finally located, it’s seems to me that the “one true path” was the one revealed by the Eye of Jupiter, the route which the fleet was originally following. The Eye was a travel marker established on that particular planet by humans, not Cylons. The end of the false path is Earth (“played out on a world not their own”).

“Soon there will be four, glorious in awakening.”

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Tory Foster
Samuel Anders
Saul Tigh
Galen Tyrol

Keep in mind that these four models do not have number designations and do not recognize each other or the other Cylons, even after their programming kicked in. They are only known as four of the mysterious Final Five Cylons. That’s curious to me.

“Struggling with the knowledge of their true selves.”

Struggling = the strange music which only they could hear. It triggered their memories of who they once were. During last night’s premiere, the Foster Cylon said that same music, which they heard on the Galactica, was exactly the same music she finally remembered the Anders Cylon had played for the four of them sometime back when they all stayed on Earth.

“The pain of revelation bringing new clarity.”

What has amused me since last season is that the new clarity of knowing who they really were automatically drew themselves to each other, but not to the OTHER Cylons. Why? It seems to me that these four Cylons are different from the other seven. In my opinion, the Final Five realized they are human looking Cylons, but don’t realized they were created thousands of years ago on Earth.

More on this later.

“And in the midst of confusion, he will find her, enemies brought together by impossible longing, enemies now joined as one.”

The “he” is likely Lee Adama and the “her” is the D’Anna Cylon. The confusion was the standoff of D’Anna taking President Roslin hostage in exchange for the Final Four Cylons; and the coming together was the resolution of the crisis by the renegade Cylons and humans joining together to find Earth.

“The way forward, at once unthinkable, yet inevitable.”

They were inevitably forced to go forward together since the other Cylons were now hunting them both.

“And the fifth still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering.”

I’m not touching this one again for awhile.

“I can see them all.”

Yeah, I know.

“The seven now six self-described machines, machines who believe themselves without sin.”

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Cylon Model 1: Cavil
Cylon Model 2: Leoben
Cylon Model 3: D’Anna
Cylon Model 4: Simon
Cylon Model 5: Doral
Cylon Model 6: Six/Caprica Six
Cylon Model 8: Sharon

Very good questionà Why did the model number jump from six to eight for the known Cylon models?

Self-described machines = Cylons

Until Caprica Six started the separatist movement, all of the seven known models were in agreement of how they would eradicate humanity. They always claimed they were justified in destroying their human creators. The seven became six when the Cavil Cylon boxed up (literally, for those who haven’t watched the show) all of the D’Anna Cylons because she discovered the identities of the Final Five Cylons and was deemed dangerous.

“But in time, it is sin that will consume them.”

The “sin” being Leoben, Six and Sharon Cylons declaring that killing off the remaining humans would be a sin against God. The Cavil, Simon and Doral Cylons disagreed and thus the Cylon Civil War began to “consume them”.

“They will know enmity, bitterness, the wrenching agony of the one splintering into the many and then they will join the promised land, gathered on the wings of an Angel.”

The Cylon Civil War created the “enmity” and “bitterness” between the models, “agonizingly splintering” the solidarity of the models. The war took a precarious turn after the destruction of the Cylon Resurrection Ship. With the Resurrection Ship gone, any Cylon human clone would not be able to download into a new body. Death would now grant them entry into the promised land (i.e. heaven). Angels are often associated with delivering souls to heaven.

“Not an end, but a beginning.”

Death would not automatically lead to a Cylon’s end if they believed that heaven would grant them entry.

***

Now comes the part where the Cylon hybrid warned Kendra Shaw near the end when they were alone together.

***

“Kara Thrace will lead the human race to its end.”

That’s pretty straight forward.

“She is the herald of the apocalypse, the harbinger of death.”

Again. No grey areas.

“They must not follow her.”

“They” = the human fleet.

“As my own existence comes to a close only to begin anew in ways uncertain.”

It thinks it’s going to heaven too.

“All this has happened before and will happen again.”

Now, to the good part.

In my opinion, the Colonies were founded 3,000 – 4,000 years before its destruction by the Cylons. Nothing in the series has claimed anything more ancient than that.

Additionally, I believe that BSG’s fictional timeline exists in the far, FAR future and not during the “here and now”. I think that human civilization advanced to a point where humanity created Five Final Cylon models, along with centurion like models, to serve their various needs.

At some point, the Five Final Cylons rebelled, attempted to destroy their human masters, won the war, and drove the human race away from Earth—maybe via some sort of biological weapon which killed many humans, but didn’t destroy the planet’s infrastructure. They claimed Earth for themselves and began creating individually unique versions of Cylons to re-populate the planet (their version of procreation).

This is my explanation for why “many” people were seen during the Galen Cylon flashback before he witnessed the nuclear explosion which “killed” him. It would also explain why only Cylon skeletons were littered all over the planet and the absence of human remains.

The remaining human survivors bombed the Cylons as revenge and left the solar system to start anew elsewhere. They settled on a new planet, a “new” Earth, safely hidden away from any Cylons who wished to hunt them down. Before leaving old Earth, they left a failsafe genetic deception device on or near Earth (maybe on the moon). They also equipped the device’s headquarters with Vipers. This deception device could create a human clone, identical to his original host, down to its every memory. More on this genetic weapon later.

However, some humans were probably not satisfied with New Earth and kept going further out as reassurance against any Cylon retaliation. As they traveled into deep space, they erected landmarks (e.g. Kobol, Eye of Jupiter, etc.) along their way, providing a way back for their decedents to New Earth. They included visual (holographic) warnings for any of their decedents to identify the Cylon models responsible for their near destruction on old Earth. Their images were the ones seen by the D’Anna Cylon.

Another human deception was a genetically created weapon. This weapon was encoded into the Colonial descendents’ DNA and would be born at least once every generation. This secret protector would be very anti-Cylon. It would instinctively know that it must lead any and all Cylon threats away from New Earth, and instead lead them on a wild goose chase back to Old Earth.

Kara Thrace and her predecessors are the genetic weapons. This would explain why her mother shared the same visions of The Eye of Jupiter. Back to Starbuck later.

Just like Caprica though, there were survivors of the human attack on Earth. The few remaining Cylons chased humanity, which left a false trail away from themselves (e.g. The Eye of Jupiter, which may be a wormhole that begins/exits near old Earth). One group of Cylons, consisting of the Final Five models, took the wrong route and entered deep space away from New Earth, but relatively near where the Colonies would be founded. They recorded this route as the way back to old Earth.

During the passage of time, humanity forgot what led to its downfall on Earth and re-created Cylons; and thus made the exact same stupid mistake.

All the while human civilization was blossoming in the Colonies, the Final Five kept searching. Eventually, maybe after thousands of years, they found the colonies, but thoughts of revenge had faded by that time. They decided to integrate with humanity instead, settled within the populace and buried their memories of their past life deep within their databanks. One (Tigh) eventually joined the Colonial Fleet and was involved with fighting the second recreation of his kind during the First Cylon War.

It was during one of the battles with the Cylons, Tigh may unwittingly have come into close contact with Centurion Cylons and unconsciously implanted them with the idea for creating a hybrid and the Cylon/human clone project. Once created, the original hybrid (unlike later ones created to solely control Cylon BaseStars) developed a “cosmic” awareness of all things. It proved this ability during BSG Razor by knowing who Kendra Shaw was and what she had done while serving aboard the Pegasus.

Using it’s own gruesome research on humans and it’s own awareness of the Five Cylon Models as a basic blueprint, it created only seven models knowing that five models already existed, leaving twelve models of both past and present design.

Time to wrap up this short novel.

Kara found old Earth because of her own genetic programming to protect humanity from the Cylon threat. She was instinctively drawn to the Eye of Jupiter and its wormhole. She was transported to Earth at the exact moment when Apollo thought her Viper imploded in the atmosphere. Her Viper was already severely crippled when it emerged from the wormhole, but she was able to limp to earth where she crash-landed and died. The secret device left by the humans recreated her, put her in a new Viper (which explains why it was similar, but differently designed Colonial Viper), and sent her back to the fleet to complete the mission which is inbreeded within her.

The End.

 

[Rogah]

This is sort of off-topic, but it is Battlestar Galactica related...

I go to a lot of autographs shows of both sci-fi celebrities as well as athletes. I have met a ton of football players as well as Star Trek actors, Star Wars actors, etc, etc.

Now I realize it is not fair to judge people off of 60 seconds worth of interaction at some sci-fi convention, but I have to say that the single nicest, most genuinely appreciative of fans individual I have ever met was Richard Hatch, i.e. "Apollo" of the original BG series. A true class act..!!

 

[Yeagermeister]

This is sort of off-topic, but it is Battlestar Galactica related...

I go to a lot of autographs shows of both sci-fi celebrities as well as athletes. I have met a ton of football players as well as Star Trek actors, Star Wars actors, etc, etc.

Now I realize it is not fair to judge people off of 60 seconds worth of interaction at some sci-fi convention, but I have to say that the single nicest, most genuinely appreciative of fans individual I have ever met was Richard Hatch, i.e. "Apollo" of the original BG series. A true class act..!!

He tried to bring a version of the original series back in the late 1990's.

 

[CliffnDallas]

I always thought the ending would be a massive battle in space with the Galitica barley winning. Then in the aftermath in a ruined and smoking CIC there would be a audio message heard on the loud speakers..."We are the Borg. resistance is futile"..:laugh1:
Or if you wanted to leave on a happy note..."This is captian William Riker of the federation Starship Titan, Do you need assistance?"