BCS Rankings

[trickblue]

who has Boise beaten?

Anyone who plays them... including Oklahoma...

They are THE model for moving up to D1...

They challenge EVERY program... not sure why they get **** when the big boys avoid them...

 

[casmith07]

who has Boise beaten?

Nobody, and until they do it consistently I don't want to hear it about them getting a shot.

A playoff would settle all this noise.

 

[Kolemmitt]

who has Boise beaten?

Wisconsin beat a top 10 opponent in Nebraska pretty handily. I am sorry, but for me, Wisconsin is 5.

Now, between Stanford and Boise, that is a tough call...but I would even put Stanford ahead of them.

I put Boise at 7, just ahead of Clemson, who I believe is fool's gold right now.

According the Saragin ratings Boise State's SOS is 29th. Wisconsin's is 131. Stanford's is 90th. That is why Boise is ranked higher. After Boise plays their MWC schedule, their SOS will drop. The crappy thing for Boise is that they thought they would be in a conference playing TCU, BYU, Utah, and Air Force every year. Now they are in the WAC 2.0 with a crappier TV deal.

I understand putting undefeated teams from stronger conferences ahead of BSU in the BCS rankings, but I don't see why they get so much crap. Should they be sorry that they beat the *%$# out the teams that will play them? Its pretty telling that Boise's SOS before they start their conference games is among the best in the nation. They don't run from anybody. As soon as they are sure that WVU, Cinci, and Louisville, they will be jumping into the Big East so they can improve their conference. If the Big XII invited them they would happily jump into that conference. They would jump at the chance to join the PAC -12.

 

[DFWJC]

At least 8 teams that in any other sport would have a fair claim of at least playing for the national title.

Oh, but that's right, this is college football.

At least this year there is a very, very psuedo mini-elimination with Alabama/LSU plus OU/OSU. But of course then we have some teams having to play conf champ games and others not.
It's still an annual farce.

 

[YosemiteSam]

who has Boise beaten?

Wisconsin beat a top 10 opponent in Nebraska pretty handily. I am sorry, but for me, Wisconsin is 5.

Now, between Stanford and Boise, that is a tough call...but I would even put Stanford ahead of them.

I put Boise at 7, just ahead of Clemson, who I believe is fool's gold right now.

Not their fault the top teams won't play them. The way I see if; if they are below them, then they should stay below them until they beat them. That will give them (AQ teams) more incentive to play teams like Boise State.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Nobody, and until they do it consistently I don't want to hear it about them getting a shot.

A playoff would settle all this noise.

...and I don't want to hear about all these AQ teams that refuse to play Boise State. Wisconsin got beat the last time they played a MWC foe. Yep, that was a playoff game too.

 

[Dallas]

Anyone who plays them... including Oklahoma...

They are THE model for moving up to D1...

They challenge EVERY program... not sure why they get **** when the big boys avoid them...

Wow for a second there I thought we were talking about the 2011 BCS standings.

Glad we are talking about the past.

You guys should change the thread title.

 

[Cythim]

When did Boise State last beat a Top 10 quality team? They have not done it this year and certainly did not do it last year. They beat TCU in 2009 and nobody in 2007. You have to go all the way back to 2006 to find a quality BCS team in Oklahoma. They have two quality wins in 5 seasons. Let them join the Big East and see how they do. If Utah is any indication (0-3 in Pac 12) they will stop going undefeated every other season.

 

[YosemiteSam]

When did Boise State last beat a Top 10 quality team? They have not done it this year and certainly did not do it last year. They beat TCU in 2009 and nobody in 2007. You have to go all the way back to 2006 to find a quality BCS team in Oklahoma. They have two quality wins in 5 seasons. Let them join the Big East and see how they do. If Utah is any indication (0-3 in Pac 12) they will stop going undefeated every other season.

Most of these so called Top 10 quality teams are afraid to play them. I know they've made offers. Nobody will accept.

 

[Cythim]

Most of these so called Top 10 quality teams are afraid to play them. I know they've made offers. Nobody will accept.

Afraid? Most Top 10 quality teams avoid playing each other outside of their conference schedules because they do not want to suffer a loss. We saw LSU versus Oregon this year but those types of match-ups are infrequent. Boise State cannot expect non-conference teams to schedule that game with the possibility of suffering a loss and ruining a season. They need to continue what they have been doing in a bigger conference if they want to be taken seriously.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Afraid? Most Top 10 quality teams avoid playing each other outside of their conference schedules because they do not want to suffer a loss. We saw LSU versus Oregon this year but those types of match-ups are infrequent. Boise State cannot expect non-conference teams to schedule that game with the possibility of suffering a loss and ruining a season. They need to continue what they have been doing in a bigger conference if they want to be taken seriously.

Then they don't deserve to pass them by in the rankings. Why should BSU lose it's spot in the rankings if teams close above and below refuse to play them?

The answer is, they don't. If you want to be ranked above Boise State, you should have to beat Boise State or Boise State get beat by someone beneath you.

 

[Doomsday101]

Then they don't deserve to pass them by in the rankings. Why should BSU lose it's spot in the rankings if teams close above and below refuse to play them?

The answer is, they don't. If you want to be ranked above Boise State, you should have to beat Boise State or Boise State get beat by someone beneath you.

True but the BCS computer will take into account the strength of the opponent each week. If you are a top 10 ranking and go out and beat a top ranked team you have a chance to jump in the standing if you are a top 10 playing unranked teams then you’re not going to move up much if at all.

 

[YosemiteSam]

the BCS computer

KILL THE BCS.

 

[Doomsday101]

KILL THE BCS.

I agree. I will say one thing in defense of the BCS and that is it is much better than before the BCS came into play. Where the top ranked teams seldom faced off in the bowl games. At least under this system the #1 and #2 will face off in the end.

Don't get me wrong I would like to see a playoff system put in place but even with that you will still have the polls determining who is ranked where.

 

[DFWJC]

I agree. I will say one thing in defense of the BCS and that is it is much better than before the BCS came into play. Where the top ranked teams seldom faced off in the bowl games. At least under this system the #1 and #2 will face off in the end.

Don't get me wrong I would like to see a playoff system put in place but even with that you will still have the polls determining who is ranked where.

I agree. I loathe the BCS, but at least they get it partially right.
There will always be speculation and debate on that last 1-2 teams left out of a playoff; all you have to do is look at the NCAA basketball tourney. But two or four teams is FAR too few.

It should be very clear that the margin of error diminsihes greatly as the number of teams included goes up. In NCAA hoops for example, nobody would ever argue that the 66th team was a national title contender--there beef is just not getting to be in the tourney.

I don't know what the correct number is, but I assume it is either 8, 12, or 16. Right now there 8 (minumum) that could have an argument. Usually be the end of the year it's less than 8 that have a real legit beef.

Someday they'll get it right....or much more right than now.

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree. I loathe the BCS, but at least they get it partially right.
There will always be speculation and debate on that last 1-2 teams left out of a playoff; all you have to do is look at the NCAA basketball tourney. But two or four teams is FAR too few.

It should be very clear that the margin of error diminsihes greatly as the number of teams included goes up. In NCAA hoops for example, nobody would ever argue that the 66th team was a national title contender--there beef is just not getting to be in the tourney.

I don't know what the correct number is, but I assume it is either 8, 12, or 16. Right now there 8 (minumum) that could have an argument. Usually be the end of the year it's less than 8 that have a real legit beef.

Someday they'll get it right....or much more right than now.

Because there are so many teams and conferences I don't see a perfect way to please everyone. I would hope one day we will see a 16 team playoff system in major college football.

 

[revospeed]

i think boise, wisconsin, and stanford are all better than OSU and should be ranked accordingly

Hater.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Look guys, the issue is NOT whether or not Boise is good or whether they can compete on a game to game basis with good teams. The issue is what happens when they are forced to play a tough, grueling BCS conference schedule week in and week out where every single team they play is tougher than but a few games they have played so far in their program's entire history.

Good mid-major programs get to beat up on crap teams who arent as physical and they get to rest their starters for a ridiculous amount of time over the course of a season. TCU showed this last year, they played a Wisconsin team missing six starters with a completely healthy team because they won every game by 20+ points.

Boise State can beat anyone on any given day, but there is literally no chance that they could navigate an SEC or Big XII schedule with fewer than three or four losses. They simply lack the talent and, more importantly, the depth to win week in and week out against a schedule where literally every team is capable of beating you. If anyone doubts this, just watch what happens to TCU the next few years. I'll bet my posting privaleges they won't excede eight wins in the Big XII, even in a watered down conference without A&M, Nebraska or Missouri.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Then they don't deserve to pass them by in the rankings. Why should BSU lose it's spot in the rankings if teams close above and below refuse to play them?

Because Boise gets to wherever they get by beating teams that good 5A Texas high school teams could beat, whereas Wisconsin, OSU, LSU, Bama, OU, etc. get to wherever they get by beating numerous ranked teams and schools who recruit a lot more legit D-1 talent than the schools Boise plays. Also, what's the toughest road enviroment Boise will play in this year? What about LSU? Or Bama? Sorry, but beating the sixth best team in the SEC in one big game you've been building up to all off season doesnt earn you a shot at the national title.

 

[Doomsday101]

Because Boise gets to wherever they get by beating teams that good 5A Texas high school teams could beat, whereas Wisconsin, OSU, LSU, Bama, OU, etc. get to wherever they get by beating numerous ranked teams and schools who recruit a lot more legit D-1 talent than the schools Boise plays. Also, what's the toughest road enviroment Boise will play in this year? What about LSU? Or Bama? Sorry, but beating the sixth best team in the SEC in one big game you've been building up to all off season doesnt earn you a shot at the national title.

I do agree but then I also see both sides of the debate. A debate that will never end until some form of a playoff system is put into place.

I think Boise has a good team but how good? As you said they do not have to face many ranked teams while a team like LSU is going to see 4 to 5 ranked teams every year. Teams in the big conferences have a very big uphill battle to achieve a shot at a NC while teams like Boise do not.