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I went ahead and started this since there are so many different threads on the same subject.


In early returns Sunday, OU leads Texas in BCS
Posted on: November 30, 2008 9:35 am
Edited on: November 30, 2008 10:09 am
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Oklahoma has the early advantage in its Sunday BCS showdown with Texas. It is a significant one.

The Sooners moved past Texas in the Sagarin Rankings, one of six computers used to determine the BCS standings. Jeff Sagarin was the first of the computer masters to post their updated rankings. Oklahoma moved from No. 4 to No. 1 in Sagarin while Texas dropped from No. 1 to No. 2.

What does that mean? Plenty. OU has a .0150 of a point lead over Texas now in Jerry Palm's CollegeBCS.com BCS standings estimate posted early Sunday. Texas came into Saturday with a .0084 lead over Oklahoma in the official BCS standings. The highest ranked team of the two in Sunday's BCS standings will play in the Big 12 championship game against Missouri on Saturday.

Win that and either Oklahoma or Texas could play for the national championship against the Alabama/Florida winner in the SEC championship game.

There is still a long way to go Sunday but momentum seems to be building behind the Sooners who made their final regular-season statement in a 61-41 over No. 11 Oklahoma State. BCSguru.com, another website dedicated to BCS analysis but with no input into the system, projected Sunday that Oklahoma would finish ahead of Texas.

Still to weigh in, the five other computer indexes and the two human polls that comprise the BCS -- the Harris and coaches polls.

Here is a very preliminary look by Palm at the top five posted on his site Sunday morning.

1. Alabama, .9839
2. Oklahoma, .9325
3. Texas, .9175
4. Florida, .8988
5. USC, .8107

Breakdown of the Big 12 South three-way tie as of Sunday morning:

Texas (11-1, 7-1)


Why they're in this position: Blake Gideon, Graham Harrell and Michael Crabtree.

Texas had Tech beat in Lubbock until it gave the ball back with 1:29 left in the Nov. 1 game. Harrell was able to drive the team down for the game-winning touchdown with one second left. But that was only after Gideon, a Texas defensive back, dropped a tipped pass that would have ended Tech's drive.

Crabtree made an amazing catch against double coverage and tight-roped the sidelines into the end zone for a 39-33 victory.

Ranked teams beaten (ranking at time of kickoff): No. 1 Oklahoma 45-35; No. 11 Missouri 56-31; No. 7 Oklahoma State 28-24.

Common opponent with other two teams: Defeated Kansas 35-7, defeated Texas A&M 49-9, defeated Oklahoma State 28-24, defeated Baylor 45-21.

Schedule strength (Sagarin): No. 12 (down from No. 5 last week)

BCS ranking: No. 2

Argument for: Defeated three teams ranked in the top 11, including No. 1 Oklahoma. Colt McCoy is this year's version of Tim Tebow leading the Horns in rushing and passing. Will Muschamp's defense might not be impressive statistically but it is a big play group and is coming off its best performance of the season against Kansas.

Oh, also beat Oklahoma head-to-head by 10 on a neutral field on Oct. 11.

Argument against: Not much of one except that it didn't play on Saturday while Oklahoma got all the national love. If Texas doesn't get to the Big 12 title game it will be because of a six-point loss on the road with one second left against Texas Tech.



Texas Tech (11-1, 7-1)


Why they're in this position: Worst game of the season came at the worst possible time. Technically, Tech is involved in the three-way tie but its 44-point loss at Oklahoma on Nov. 22 seems to have eliminated it from division title consideration.

Ranked teams beaten (ranking at time of kickoff): No. 19 Kansas 63-21; No. 1 Texas 39-33; No. 8 Oklahoma State 56-20.

Common opponent with other two teams: Defeated Kansas 63-21, defeated Oklahoma State, 56-20, defeated Texas A&M 43-25, defeated Baylor 35-28.

Schedule strength (Sagarin): No. 26 (down from No. 19 last week)

BCS ranking: No. 7

Argument for: Defeated No. 1 (Texas), sports a Heisman frontrunner (Harrell) and the nation's best receiver (Crabtree). But there's more than this high-flying offense. Texas Tech has been well -rounded most of the season with a serviceable running game and effective defense. Until Saturday.

Argument against: You can't lose by 44 on national television on Nov. 22 and expect to play for a national championship, much less a Big 12 title.

Oklahoma (11-1, 7-1)

Why they're in this position: Colt McCoy. Texas' quarterback had a career day on Oct. 11. The Sooners led by five with 12 minutes but were outscored 15-0 down the stretch the day in beating Oklahoma.

The result created a firestorm that isn't going to quiet down anytime soon.

Ranked teams beaten (ranked at the time of kickoff): No. 24 TCU, 35-10; No. 2 Texas Tech, 65-21.

Common opponent with other two teams: Defeated Kansas 45-31, defeated Baylor 49-17, defeated Texas A&M 66-28, defeated Oklahoma State 61-41.

Schedule strength (Sagarin): No. 17 (up from No. 26 last week)

BCS ranking: No. 3

Argument for: Playing the best right now. OU has laid waste to its opponents since losing to Texas. It has won successive games by 14, 23, 34, 38, 44 and 20 points.

Sam Bradford leads the country in touchdown passes (44) and seems to be the new Heisman leader.

Argument against: Beat Tech which beat Texas which beat Oklahoma. Oh no, here we go again.
 
AP Poll

The Associated Press Top 25 Poll
Rank Team Record Votes Previous
1 Alabama (62) 12-0 1,620 1
2 Florida (3) 11-1 1,516 2
3 Texas 11-1 1,488 4
4 Oklahoma 11-1 1,480 3
5 USC 10-1 1,355 5
 
Bradford has 46 TD passes. AP has no factor in the BCS. It could tell us something about how the Harris voters could go but it may not.
 
NickZepp;2452751 said:
Bradford has 46 TD passes. AP has no factor in the BCS. It could tell us something about how the Harris voters could go but it may not.

I smell Heisman.:)
 
NickZepp;2452751 said:
Bradford has 46 TD passes. AP has no factor in the BCS. It could tell us something about how the Harris voters could go but it may not.

That is just amazing evertime I look at it.
 
NickZepp;2452751 said:
Bradford has 46 TD passes. AP has no factor in the BCS. It could tell us something about how the Harris voters could go but it may not.

Stranger things have happened so I guess Ill have my own "watch party".:D
 
I'm a Texas guy. I could join in this discussion by saying Texas should get in, McCoy should win the Heisman, blah blah blah, but I think this mess demonstrates more strongly two very important things:

1) If college football had a playoff, none of this would matter.
2) If the Big 12 sent the two best teams to the Big 12 Championship game (instead of guaranteeing a spot to the Big 12 North every year), none of this would matter.
 
Mavs Man;2452759 said:
I'm a Texas guy. I could join in this discussion by saying Texas should get in, McCoy should win the Heisman, blah blah blah, but I think this mess demonstrates more strongly two very important things:

1) If college football had a playoff, none of this would matter.
2) If the Big 12 sent the two best teams to the Big 12 Championship game (instead of guaranteeing a spot to the Big 12 North every year), none of this would matter.

Agreed on both of those. Either OU or Texas will get screwed, they both really deserve to be in the Big 12 Title game.
 
Rowdy;2452758 said:
I think the record is like 61 or something.


From what conference?

Colt Brennon 131. I would like to see him do it in a real conference. We all saw what Hawaii got from Georgia. Still - 131 - WOW
 
Dallas;2452755 said:
That is just amazing evertime I look at it.

Bradford has had an amazing year. But add in Harrell (41 + 6 rushing), McCoy (32 + 10 rushing), Daniels (34 + 4 rushing), etc. ... WOW.

Welcome to the AFL... er, I mean Big 12.
 
Dallas;2452763 said:
From what conference?

Colt Brennon 131. I would like to see him do it in a real conference. We all saw what Hawaii got from Georgia. Still - 131 - WOW

That was for his career. For a season it's 58 which could realistically happen for Bradford if he gets averages 6 TDs in 2 games.
 
NickZepp;2452762 said:
Agreed on both of those. Either OU or Texas will get screwed, they both really deserve to be in the Big 12 Title game.

#1 is far from coming, but #2 would clear up a lot of our problems and quickly. And who wouldn't want to see Texas and Oklahoma a second time?
 
NickZepp;2452769 said:
That was for his career. For a season it's 58 which could realistically happen for Bradford if he gets averages 6 TDs in 2 games.

Considering what Texas did to Missouri, Bradford may do it next week.
 
Mavs Man;2452772 said:
Considering what Texas did to Missouri, Bradford may do it next week.


They count the bowl game TD's in the record?
 
Does anybody know what time it comes out? I was thinking around 2-3pm but not sure...
 
Dallas;2452787 said:
They count the bowl game TD's in the record?

Yes they do now. And they leave it up to the university to change their own records to add bowl games and some schools do and some don't. OU added bowls to all of OU's records. I think that's what gave Billy Sims the all time leading rusher a few years ago.
 

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