Beat the Giants and main board is negativity hot pants mega merge thread

[Romonater]

I mean, that's the reaction I'm getting from this board. Jesus, it's just week 1 people. There's always something negative to talk about here, and the sad part is this is the forum to discuss my cowboys. Dallascowboys.com forums are even worse. Enjoy the win guys. It's the NFL>

 

[TwoDeep3]

There are two kinds of fans.

The celebratory fan who regales himself in the win. All wins are good because this is a league built by parity. There are no gradients in a win. All wins are good no matter how they were achieved. There is no luck involved and the outcome stands alone. All sixteen games - by and large - are individual events that only figure into the season when the season is close to being over.

The team at the beginning of the season is like a used car the fan just bought. All door dings and potential problems are ignored because of the excitement of owning a new car and the potential it brings. This kind of fan lives on potential and what might happen, and that is based off what might happen that is good.

The analytical fan looks at the season and potential results. This fan weighs the good and bad and projects the outcome of the season based on these things. Each game indicates how well players, squads, team, and coaches perform their duties. This offers information on what to expect in the coming games and season.

When the team is stacked this fan is apt to sound very much like the celebratory fan in his giddiness at the possibilities.

When the team is mediocre or struggles this fan discusses those shortcomings to assuage the problems he sees and to determine if they can be fixed, or overcome to reach the final goal of the play-offs and then success there.

This fan sees the team in a way a gambler might assess the pros and cons to make an informed wager. While this fan is excited about the team and the season, his view is predicated on the tally of positive versus negative and how that adds up in regard to the competition.

I'm not certain either fan is right or wrong, and some fans can have a little of both as a viewpoint.

But what I do know is this. As a fan that leans heavily to the analytical side, I don't much care if you see my point of view or not. I am pleased to discuss the team with you or not, as you choose.

I am not keen on being vilified by the celebratory fan because I assess the pros and cons of this team. That comes in the form of posts which challenge the minutia of my posts and use terms such as hater to categorize me.

I do not need the management of the board creating threads for the protection of my point of view and threatening the other side with banishment because my feelings are hurt that you hold your opinion.

I don't run off and create another message board for people who agree 100% with my position and deny access to those that do not. Nor do I get my panties in a wad over the celebratory fans posting their thoughts.

I am okay you see the team as you do. You may or may not participate in the discussions some fans elect to engage in about the team. That is your choice.

But what astounds me are posts made by the celebratory fan that suggests football is not discussed on this board any longer, or complaints about negative posts.

Football is discussed and if you look closely, the X's and O's are being chewed over.

And maybe some of us should grow a thicker skin and not be so touchy when others elect to discuss aspects of this team and worry about the impending results that you may not personally agree with.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Type Three Fan

One who will argue no matter what even if it means arguing against what he argued for in past threads.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Type Three Fan

One who will argue no matter what even if it means arguing against what he argued for in past threads.

Thanks for illustrating that for me.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Thanks for illustrating that for me.

You are welcomed. Any time you need help, let me know.

 

[jterrell]

Cry after we draft, cry after we lose so make sure we also cry after we win.

Good job, Good effort.

This was week 1 and virtually every game played was painfully sloppy. Our game was no different.
We unveiled a new offense/new defense/played 5 rookies and generally looked to play hard but without precision or overall excellence.

Bottom line is we got a W against a conference foe that had never lost in our stadium.
We are 1-0 and no team in the NFL is better.

Every team has work to do and Dallas is no exception.
The good news for Dallas is the coaching was better last night.
The change to Callahan didn't offer 40 runs but it did offer fewer timing issues and zero gaffes by the head man.
The change to Kiffin didn't fix our coverage issues but it did it did get guys trying to strip the ball every play and to play for INTs.

Were we lucky? Yes. The NYG are as bad as we've been the past couple seasons. A team of playmakers but very few consistent pieces. And a gaping hole at RB.

So I am going to enjoy this win free from the board I guess. I'll have plenty of chances to be miserable after losses.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Hey, we didn't have a safety yesterday. Not too many teams can say that. The number of safeties was just weird, and a good reminder of how sloppy everyone is during week 1.

 

[CATCH17]

Yeah... Because sloppy football and our offensive schemes haven't got us sent home for years.

Enjoy the sloppy football and letting defenses dictate what we do and just hope when we're forced to throw into the teeth of a defense with basic route designs that its not picked off and Romo isn't called a choker all offseason.

 

[Staubacher]

We will only get better. Dunbar and Waters coming in next game. Spencer soon. Callahan and Romo will keep growing in their new roles. The rookies are learning under fire. Garrett managed the game well free from the burden of playcalling. He was smart to call a TO and go for two points after the Carr TD pick.

 

[boysfanindc]

Cry after we draft, cry after we lose so make sure we also cry after we win.

Good job, Good effort.

This was week 1 and virtually every game played was painfully sloppy. Our game was no different.
We unveiled a new offense/new defense/played 5 rookies and generally looked to play hard but without precision or overall excellence.

Bottom line is we got a W against a conference foe that had never lost in our stadium.
We are 1-0 and no team in the NFL is better.

Every team has work to do and Dallas is no exception.
The good news for Dallas is the coaching was better last night.
The change to Callahan didn't offer 40 runs but it did offer fewer timing issues and zero gaffes by the head man.
The change to Kiffin didn't fix our coverage issues but it did it did get guys trying to strip the ball every play and to play for INTs.

Were we lucky? Yes. The NYG are as bad as we've been the past couple seasons. A team of playmakers but very few consistent pieces. And a gaping hole at RB.

So I am going to enjoy this win free from the board I guess. I'll have plenty of chances to be miserable after losses.

I am going to enjoy it, right there with you!

 

[Zordon]

mods can we merge this thread with the other mega crybaby thread?

 

[pugilist]

really wish Garrett would've challenged Cruz's second TD but other than that solid coaching job

 

[Cowboy4ever]

really wish Garrett would've challenged Cruz's second TD but other than that solid coaching job

He couldn't. The play is automatically reviewed, as are all scoring plays.

 

[birdwells1]

There are two kinds of fans.

The celebratory fan who regales himself in the win. All wins are good because this is a league built by parity. There are no gradients in a win. All wins are good no matter how they were achieved. There is no luck involved and the outcome stands alone. All sixteen games - by and large - are individual events that only figure into the season when the season is close to being over.

The team at the beginning of the season is like a used car the fan just bought. All door dings and potential problems are ignored because of the excitement of owning a new car and the potential it brings. This kind of fan lives on potential and what might happen, and that is based off what might happen that is good.

The analytical fan looks at the season and potential results. This fan weighs the good and bad and projects the outcome of the season based on these things. Each game indicates how well players, squads, team, and coaches perform their duties. This offers information on what to expect in the coming games and season.

When the team is stacked this fan is apt to sound very much like the celebratory fan in his giddiness at the possibilities.

When the team is mediocre or struggles this fan discusses those shortcomings to assuage the problems he sees and to determine if they can be fixed, or overcome to reach the final goal of the play-offs and then success there.

This fan sees the team in a way a gambler might assess the pros and cons to make an informed wager. While this fan is excited about the team and the season, his view is predicated on the tally of positive versus negative and how that adds up in regard to the competition.

I'm not certain either fan is right or wrong, and some fans can have a little of both as a viewpoint.

But what I do know is this. As a fan that leans heavily to the analytical side, I don't much care if you see my point of view or not. I am pleased to discuss the team with you or not, as you choose.

I am not keen on being vilified by the celebratory fan because I assess the pros and cons of this team. That comes in the form of posts which challenge the minutia of my posts and use terms such as hater to categorize me.

I do not need the management of the board creating threads for the protection of my point of view and threatening the other side with banishment because my feelings are hurt that you hold your opinion.

I don't run off and create another message board for people who agree 100% with my position and deny access to those that do not. Nor do I get my panties in a wad over the celebratory fans posting their thoughts.

I am okay you see the team as you do. You may or may not participate in the discussions some fans elect to engage in about the team. That is your choice.

But what astounds me are posts made by the celebratory fan that suggests football is not discussed on this board any longer, or complaints about negative posts.

Football is discussed and if you look closely, the X's and O's are being chewed over.

And maybe some of us should grow a thicker skin and not be so touchy when others elect to discuss aspects of this team and worry about the impending results that you may not personally agree with.

Which way do you think this coaching staff looks at this game? I think they probably have the attitude of "anytime you can win an NFL game, especially a division game, you take it, but we have to get better both offensively and defensively. We are not going to get 6 turnovers a game to save out butts every time so we're going to need to shore up that secondary pretty quickly and as far as the offensive line goes, Waters can be nothing but an improvement".

That's the way I think NFL coaches look at their teams performances, I think they look for ways to improve each game and they analyze the offense, defense, groups (i.e. oline, lbers), and individual players (thus the grading system for olinemen). They do this because it's not much to be gained in glowing over say Wittens performance (which was good) instead of analyzing what went wrong in secondary fixing that is where the gains can be had.

The reason, imo, the coaches do this is because the final destination is the playoffs and beyond and this team needs to progress to reach that destination. That's kind of the way I look at it also, was I happy for the win? Heck yeah I was. Am I concerned that we gave 450 yards passing? Yes I am. The reason I'm concerned? It's because I'm a die hard fan and the destination for my team is the Super Bowl.

 

[pugilist]

He couldn't. The play is automatically reviewed, as are all scoring plays.

lol oops, you're right.. totally forgot about that rule

and if he would've challenged that's a penalty.. soooo glad he didn't challenge then

 

[TwoDeep3]

Which way do you think this coaching staff looks at this game? I think they probably have the attitude of "anytime you can win an NFL game, especially a division game, you take it, but we have to get better both offensively and defensively. We are not going to get 6 turnovers a game to save out butts every time so we're going to need to shore up that secondary pretty quickly and as far as the offensive line goes, Waters can be nothing but an improvement".

That's the way I think NFL coaches look at their teams performances, I think they look for ways to improve each game and they analyze the offense, defense, groups (i.e. oline, lbers), and individual players (thus the grading system for olinemen). They do this because it's not much to be gained in glowing over say Wittens performance (which was good) over analyzing what went wrong in secondary fixing that is where the gains can be had?

The reason, imo, the coaches do this is because the final destination is the playoffs and beyond and this team needs to progress to reach that destination. That's kind of the way I look at it also, was I happy for the win? Heck yeah I was. Am I concerned that we gave 450 yards passing? Yes I am. The reason I'm concerned? It's because I'm a die hard fan and my destination for my team is the Super Bowl.

I agree there is a mindset of the coaches and how they approach the game. I believe it would be naive for someone to think they don't continually analyze their players and how they fit into the scheme. And then make adjustments from there.

This is not to suggest what fans are doing is what coaches do. That type of elevation would be misplaced and rather egotistical.

However having said that, I do think coaches have a dispassionate view of the team and players and keep a distance so they can evaluate and not allow personal relationships color their opinions.

Which is what I believe all fans do, both the celebratory fan and the analytical fan.

 

[Rockport]

Dallas had 5 penalties, sorry but that is way down from last season

Well, they stopped several drives. Just like last year.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

I can only speak for myself, but I think this is a big big part of why those being critical are largely considered to be simply negative by the more optimistic fans. And I have to say, I do think it's pretty lame that after a game like last night's, there are immediately threads/posts proclaiming how unimpressive the Cowboys looked, how "lucky" they were, and how they didn't win due to skill, etc, etc.

It's like, at least enjoy the win a little, ya know?

If you're a Cowboys fan, how can you not be stoked by not only FINALLY getting a W over the Giants at home, but by generating SIX takeaways in the process! I thought it was awesome. A fun, exciting game to watch, that ended in a win.

Yeah, I think that's pretty well put. There's a legitimate debate to be had over whether -- besides the W -- there were more positives than negatives to take from this win. I'm definitely in the former category but I can see be concerned about the failure to convert on the turnovers, giving up the lead, etc. But to immediately respond to last night's win with a forecast of doom is to sort of miss the point of being a fan in the first place.

It's just a game, after all.

 

[Shunpike]

It is better to be critical of your team after a win than a loss imho. This is what I see here most of the time and that's why I respect this board a lot as an opponent.

 

[boysfanindc]

I took away a lot of positives from last night, certainly saw more positives then negatives, plus it was a win.

But giving up 450 yards through the air is the one thing that definitely concerns me, Manning is a good QB and Cruz and Nicks are very good WR's, but we have some work to do on coverage for sure.