Being more creative, we need a zone blitz...

[Frosty]

Its a start, but I want more.

Be creative, so me something Zimmer.

The element of surprise can be more important than the element of skill

Let the defense get aggressive, Play mean, make the offense pay for every play. Smash mouth Football, This Defense needs an identity, It has the talent but lacks the Physical aggressive style of a top notch defense.

Check out the Ravens, Ray Lewis is mean. Teams know they will be hit an hit hard. The Bears are the same way. Look at the JAGs, Look at the Steelers.
Its about having that Doomsday Defense not the passive aggressive style the Cowboys are playing now.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I agree! And what few times we moved Ware around last game seemed to confuse the deadskins.

 

[superpunk]

Let the defense get aggressive, Play mean, make the offense pay for every play. Smash mouth Football, This Defense needs an identity, It has the talent but lacks the Physical aggressive style of a top notch defense.

Check out the Ravens, Ray Lewis is mean. Teams know they will be hit an hit hard. The Bears are the same way. Look at the JAGs, Look at the Steelers.
Its about having that Doomsday Defense not the passive aggressive style the Cowboys are playing now.

We may not have the players to do that, or they have not developed yet. The teams you mentioned, neither the JAgs or the Bears are elaborate blitzers. They just line up, and beat you. If you want the defense to be aggressive, and mean, the coaches can "attempt" to inspire that, but unless the players take it on themselves, there's rellay nothing coaching-wise that can be done about that.

 

[lspain1]

No......I want a room full of loose-women! That's what I want!

Aw hell....give me it all.

Wait...I meant good looking loose women!......:eekmouse:

 

[junk]

I don't think James/Akin are very good blitzers.

 

[lspain1]

I don't think James/Akin are very good blitzers.

That's because they don't have a cool name. We could name a blitz package Wolf and then we would have Wolf blitzers.............:

 

[Stautner]

I would love to see us zone blitz more, we are so predictable right now. With what we are running right now, if Ware faked going to the QB, then dropped back in coverage and we send Ayodele instead, that is a sack. That LT will commit to Ware, but he won't be coming, and Ayodele would be free.

I don't have any idea why we don't zone blitz. You can say you don't want Canty, Spears and such in coverage, but they don't have to be in coverage. I just think we should make a team scared that we will blitz ANY of our LBs, not just Ellis and Ware.

If we rush 5 (which we should do more often), then the options are limitless in the 3-4. Indy was destroyed by this last year in the playoffs. The biggest advantage of the 3-4 is how you can send different blitzers at any time.

Send our 2 ILBs, and drop the other 2 in coverage. Send one OLB and one ILB. Heck, send Roy and Ware only. The options are really limitless. Sure, teams like to run between the tackles against a 3-4, but you can contain the run and limit them to 2-3 yards.

We just need to start being creative on D and taking more risks, but not huge risks. I'm not a person who would ever send 6 at the QB in a game, maybe once, and that is a big maybe. But I would love to see us send 5 alot more, it would increase turnovers and put the offense on notice that we are coming at them.

First people complained we didn't blitz enough, now we aren't blitzing the right way.

Come on - we threw a lot at Washington, and it was very effective. PLUS, it's only Week 2.

Parcells clearly loosened up some this week given that he has indicated his reluctance to complicate things for his young players on defense - he is trying to let them mature to the point that he trusts them with the full gamut of possibilities.

Give it time.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

We were better at disguising blitzes against the Skins, but we haven't used a zone blitz very much. One time in the nickel we showed 6 pass rushers (the D-Line and Roy and then either Bradie or Burnett--couldn't tell) and then we backed off perfectly forcing a rushed throw and an incompletion.

Not sure why we are still so averse to throwing in some exotic blitz packages into the fold.


YAKUZA

 

[Stautner]

Not sure why we are still so averse to throwing in some exotic blitz packages into the fold.

YAKUZA

Parcells has never hidden the fact that he worries about young players and doesn't want to put too much responsibility on them too early for fear of it backfiring. As it is we are starting a rookie, 3 second year players, 3 players that are just in their second season with the team, 2 players making position changes, 1 players just in his second year as a starter, and almost no one has more than 1 year of 3-4 experience under his belt.

Give it time - we got agressive against Washington and there may be more to come as Parcells gets more comfortable with his players.

Frankly, I have no complaints with the pressure we put on this week anyway - this seems to be strange timing for this topic.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I don't think James/Akin are very good blitzers.

We don't know this, especially since they haven't been used in this way. They are big and strong enough to allow us to use them in this way.

First people complained we didn't blitz enough, now we aren't blitzing the right way.

Come on - we threw a lot at Washington, and it was very effective. PLUS, it's only Week 2.

Parcells clearly loosened up some this week given that he has indicated his reluctance to complicate things for his young players on defense - he is trying to let them mature to the point that he trusts them with the full gamut of possibilities.

Give it time.

I still believe we don't blitz enough or in the right (creative) way. We need to bring 5 from anywhere more often.

I just don't get the young player thing, they have been here a full year. Is Merriman being held back cause he is young?? I just don't see it or believe it. Most dominant young players don't have to wait this long, look around the league.

Parcells has never hidden the fact that he worries about young players and doesn't want to put too much responsibility on them too early for fear of it backfiring. As it is we are starting a rookie, 3 second year players, 3 players that are just in their second season with the team, 2 players making position changes, 1 players just in his second year as a starter, and almost no one has more than 1 year of 3-4 experience under his belt.

Give it time - we got agressive against Washington and there may be more to come as Parcells gets more comfortable with his players.

Frankly, I have no complaints with the pressure we put on this week anyway - this seems to be strange timing for this topic.

Again, youth isn't the reason, other young players in the league are thrown into the fire.

Course it is harder to mention things that could be better when you win. Seems like every thread since our win is kissing up to everyone on the team.

Like BP, I believe there is alot of room for improvement, and this blitz strategy is high on the list.

 

[Common Sense]

I meant to say this the first time this subject popped up, but if you're going to start threads calling for a zone blitz, at least make sure you know what it is.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I meant to say this the first time this subject popped up, but if you're going to start threads calling for a zone blitz, at least make sure you know what it is.

:donthear::drunk: :nana: :shoot3:

:sshhh: :zipit:

:damn:

 

[Stautner]

We don't know this, especially since they haven't been used in this way. They are big and strong enough to allow us to use them in this way.

You may not know it, but I'm guessing that over the last few months Parcells and Zimmer have gotten a pretty good feel ......

I still believe we don't blitz enough or in the right (creative) way. We need to bring 5 from anywhere more often.

You also have to understand that the more people you blitz and the more often you do it the more risk you run of getting burned with inadequate coverage - it isn't as black and white as you think.

I just don't get the young player thing, they have been here a full year. Is Merriman being held back cause he is young?? I just don't see it or believe it. Most dominant young players don't have to wait this long, look around the league.

You have to learn that every situation isn't an apples to apples comparison.

Merriman clearly isn't - he isn't on the same team with as much youth and as little 3-4 experience. And he isn't being asked to do too much - basically just to attack ALL THE TIME ...... not much learning curve for that.

You also have to learn that dominant players don't always become dominant immediately, and that we don't know who, if any, of our young guys ARE or WILL BE dominant players. Most are still trying to show something - dominance isn't even in the picture yet.

Again, youth isn't the reason, other young players in the league are thrown into the fire.

So what? Once again, ALL young players aren't in exactly the same situation as our young players, AND often the inexperience of young players thrown in the fire hurts the team at times, which is what Parcells is trying to minimize.

Course it is harder to mention things that could be better when you win. Seems like every thread since our win is kissing up to everyone on the team.

I'm wondering what exactly you had a problem with regarding the pressure we put on Brunnell this past Sunday ........ ? After 6 sacks and constant harassment I'm sure Brunnell would tell you the Dallas pass rush worked out fine with what they did.

Like BP, I believe there is alot of room for improvement, and this blitz strategy is high on the list.

Obviously there always is room for improvement, but it's hard to take you seriously when the area you are crusading about was probably the biggest strength in the last game.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

You may not know it, but I'm guessing that over the last few months Parcells and Zimmer have gotten a pretty good feel ......

Yeah, they are always right and should never be second guessed for their actions. We should just follow them blindly, close this board down cause its not needed, and do away with all media in general. Their gods, and are just here to pray to them.

I have noticed in some of your past posts that you have a tendency to talk down to people, getting in an disaggreement with an old time member here(Cbz40). Noone will respect or care what you have to say, when you don't treat them with respect in your posts.

You also have to understand that the more people you blitz and the more often you do it the more risk you run of getting burned with inadequate coverage - it isn't as black and white as you think.

Of course it isn't black and white. I'm not saying anything drastic, just more angles.

You have to learn that every situation isn't an apples to apples comparison.

Merriman clearly isn't - he isn't on the same team with as much youth and as little 3-4 experience. And he isn't being asked to do too much - basically just to attack ALL THE TIME ...... not much learning curve for that.

You also have to learn that dominant players don't always become dominant immediately, and that we don't know who, if any, of our young guys ARE or WILL BE dominant players. Most are still trying to show something - dominance isn't even in the picture yet.

So what? Once again, ALL young players aren't in exactly the same situation as our young players.

Saw this coming when I used Merriman's name, lol. He is just one example, and i know perfectly well what his situation is and how he is used. Kearse, Freeney and such must have caught on pretty quick with 14.5 sacks and 13 sacks respectively in their first seasons.

I know that players develop at different paces, and I'm not saying I don't think ours can or will.

I'm wondering what exactly you had a problem with regarding the pressure we put on Brunnell this past Sunday ........ ? After 6 sacks and constant harassment I'm sure Brunnell would tell you the Dallas pass rush worked out fine with what they did.

It is just what I want for the future, not really second guessing the past as much as I would like us to be more creative from now on.

 

[Doomsdayblitz]

Wasn't there another thread like this?

Why do we want to resort to some gimmick Defense? I say we beat our opponents straight up.

I'm not sure I want Fergie back in coverage. That's just silly.

It's called taking advantage of your scheme. Every other 3-4 team has some sort of zone blitz package they use. The sack that should have been attributed to Ware Sunday night was a stunt where he pretended to go wide, then went inside. The LT had no chance to block him, and the LG was busy with Canty. It was an easy sack until the freaking ref got in the way.

Whether it's defense or offense, you can't just run it the same way with the same alignment all the time. You set yourself up for failure when you do that. The Doomsday team of old was constantly running stunts & blitzs, because they had the speed to do so. We have the speed, power, & everything else needed to run plays where the opponent doesn't know where you're coming from next. Isn't that what winning is all about? If you think this team can just line up man to man & whip any team in the league, you got another thing coming!

 

[Deep_Freeze]

It's called taking advantage of your scheme. Every other 3-4 team has some sort of zone blitz package they use. The sack that should have been attributed to Ware Sunday night was a stunt where he pretended to go wide, then went inside. The LT had no chance to block him, and the LG was busy with Canty. It was an easy sack until the freaking ref got in the way.

Whether it's defense or offense, you can't just run it the same way with the same alignment all the time. You set yourself up for failure when you do that. The Doomsday team of old was constantly running stunts & blitzs, because they had the speed to do so. We have the speed, power, & everything else needed to run plays where the opponent doesn't know where you're coming from next. Isn't that what winning is all about? If you think this team can just line up man to man & whip any team in the league, you got another thing coming!

Amen. I think using that scheme is lining up man on man. Just adds a bit of suprise into the equation.

 

[Stautner]

Yeah, they are always right and should never be second guessed for their actions. We should just follow them blindly, close this board down cause its not needed, and do away with all media in general. Their gods, and are just here to pray to them..

Of course they can and should be second guessed - but you don't seem to hold the same standard for yourself. You questioned comments by myself and Junk, and I'm doing the same. It works both ways .......

I don't see how it is unreasonable to assume the coaches, who have watched these guys play and practice every day for a few months, have a better feel for players than fan's. Coaches can only make educated decisions and go by what they think a player can do. It makes no sense to expect coaches to try things because "we" (the fans?) don't know the player can't do it.

I have noticed in some of your past posts that you have a tendency to talk down to people, getting in an disagreement with an old time member here(Cbz40). Noone will respect or care what you have to say, when you don't treat them with respect in your posts.

I apologize if I come across a little stronger than I intend sometimes, but I admit that I'm a little impatient when people appear to post with blinders on. I understand fan frustration, but whether Parcells is right or wrong there is generally some reasonable explaination for what he does.

Of course it isn't black and white. I'm not saying anything drastic, just more angles.

I have no problem with more angles .......

We do send Roy up the middle at times, so it's not as if the middle is never exploited.

Saw this coming when I used Merriman's name, lol. He is just one example, and i know perfectly well what his situation is and how he is used. Kearse, Freeney and such must have caught on pretty quick with 14.5 sacks and 13 sacks respectively in their first seasons.

I know that players develop at different paces, and I'm not saying I don't think ours can or will..

Kearse and Freeny are proven NFL studs - again not apples to apples.

I know you aren't saying our players can't develop, in fact I thought the opposite. It seemed you thought it was a given that they could perform like proven players if not for being held back by the coaches.

It is just what I want for the future, not really second guessing the past as much as I would like us to be more creative from now on.

Creativity is obviously necessary at times, but I just don't understand the concern after the success we had against Washington. If we had another game like Jacksonville I would understand the frustration.

All I'm really saying is that Parcells has his way of doing things and will reach his comfort level in his own time - and that considering his history of success and knowledge of the players on his team he deserves a little latitude.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Of course they can and should be second guessed - but you don't seem to hold the same standard for yourself. You questioned comments by myself and Junk, and I'm doing the same. It works both ways .......

I don't see how it is unreasonable to assume the coaches, who have watched these guys play and practice every day for a few months, have a better feel for players than fan's. Coaches can only make educated decisions and go by what they think a player can do. It makes no sense to expect coaches to try things because "we" (the fans?) don't know the player can't do it.

I apologize if I come across a little stronger than I intend sometimes, but I admit that I'm a little impatient when people appear to post with blinders on. I understand fan frustration, but whether Parcells is right or wrong there is generally some reasonable explaination for what he does.

I have no problem with more angles .......

We do send Roy up the middle at times, so it's not as if the middle is never exploited.

Kearse and Freeny are proven NFL studs - again not apples to apples.

I know you aren't saying our players can't develop, in fact I thought the opposite. It seemed you thought it was a given that they could perform like proven players if not for being held back by the coaches.

Creativity is obviously necessary at times, but I just don't understand the concern after the success we had against Washington. If we had another game like Jacksonville I would understand the frustration.

All I'm really saying is that Parcells has his way of doing things and will reach his comfort level in his own time - and that considering his history of success and knowledge of the players on his team he deserves a little latitude.

Too much work, I'll just type it all here........

Call it not being satisfied. Call it wanting to increase the opposition's turnovers. Call it whatever, I just don't see how you can't see that only having 3 guys that can blitz outside of the 3 down linemen isn't ideal.

A little variety, I saw a CB on the blitz last night. Now, I'm not a blitz happy freak, I don't believe in throwing the house at the QB. 5 and at most 6 is enough, when you decide to blitz.

Yes, I am happy with what happened to the Skins, but let's be honest here, the Skins were not a good team that night. It was our home debut and they were missing some key parts. The Jags are still leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

The elite teams are the ones I'm talking about. We played the Jags, an elite team, and got 1 sack. Sure, I'm on the skins high like everyone else, but we got to face reality that the Skins weren't a good team Sunday night. We will face better teams, especially if we get to the playoffs.

 

[Stautner]

Too much work, I'll just type it all here........

Call it not being satisfied. Call it wanting to increase the opposition's turnovers. Call it whatever, I just don't see how you can't see that only having 3 guys that can blitz outside of the 3 down linemen isn't ideal.

A little variety, I saw a CB on the blitz last night. Now, I'm not a blitz happy freak, I don't believe in throwing the house at the QB. 5 and at most 6 is enough, when you decide to blitz.

Yes, I am happy with what happened to the Skins, but let's be honest here, the Skins were not a good team that night. It was our home debut and they were missing some key parts. The Jags are still leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

The elite teams are the ones I'm talking about. We played the Jags, an elite team, and got 1 sack. Sure, I'm on the skins high like everyone else, but we got to face reality that the Skins weren't a good team Sunday night. We will face better teams, especially if we get to the playoffs.

I'm not saying that variety isn't ideal, all I'm saying is (1) that Parcells is a little reserved with this group because of youth and inexperience, (2) it is early in the year so we don't know what is in store as time goes on, and (3) we don't know how capable some of our players are or will be blitzing - OR how capable others will be in covering for those that do blitz to prevent getting burned. In short, there is too much uncertainty at this point to be comfortable that we can start turning our guys loose on exotic blitz packages.

I certainly understand the frustration with the Jacksonville game, but it was pretty obvious we were much more creative and agressive in the Commander game. It seems that would be taken as an optimistic sign of things to come. Even so, we can't expect that every week either - we clearly will game plan for different teams in different ways.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Why do 34 teams Zone Blitz? They do it to hide the pressure. Parcells uses interchangeable personel in the 34 to accomplish the same thing. If you Blitz, you are risking something everytime. Parcells scheme on the 34 tries to accomplish the same thing without running so much risk. His scheme tries to accomplish this through the use of like abilitied players. He likes to bring in DLs and LBs that can be interchangable up and down the line. Same with LBs. If they are all big, if they can all run, if they can all rush, then it creates the same type of effect. You hide the blitz in plain sight. You know they can all blitz but you have no idea which one/ones will get the Blitz assignment. It's his way of limiting risk, comparamising multiple offensive packages/personel and dictating to the offense, in effect, what they can run against his defense.