Belichick out in New England

[RustyBourneHorse]

I heard Jerold Mayo is a top candidate. Former Pats LB and current defensive coach for NE.

I could see that, but Vrabel would make sense too (though, if not and if DQ goes to Seattle, I'd happily have Vrabel as our DC).

 

[MyFairLady]

What part is wrong?

You think he's a good GM?

Tampa was a dumpster fire forever. Brady goes there and they instantly become a serious contender and super bowl champs. Billy B was trash everywhere he went until Brady took over. Brady leaves and they are an instant dumpster fire and he is already gone. If Billy B goes to Tampa instead of Brady they do nothing and the Pats would have probably won another title. Brady left and proved beyond a shadow of a doubt who was the hard carry and who was along for the ride. Brady is Brady no matter what. Billy B is just another clown without him.

 

[Kevinicus]

Tampa was a dumpster fire forever. Brady goes there and they instantly become a serious contender and super bowl champs. Billy B was trash everywhere he went until Brady took over. Brady leaves and they are an instant dumpster fire and he is already gone. If Billy B goes to Tampa instead of Brady they do nothing and the Pats would have probably won another title. Brady left and proved beyond a shadow of a doubt who was the hard carry and who was along for the ride. Brady is Brady no matter what. Billy B is just another clown without him.

Lol, they were no dumpster fire.

They had a very capable D and an offense loaded with weapons. Their problem was a QB who threw 30 INTs.

Their problem was at QB not at coaching (but BB was a better coach than Bruce).

NE was headung the wrong direction because the roster was regressing. In Brady's last year in NE, the defense was the strength, leading the league in points allowed and turnovers.

 

[EPL0c0]

decent HC, but I think Brady made those championship teams more than the coaching.

 

[zrinkill]

I am not gonna believe this until @Risen Star starts a thread about it

 

[1942willys]

there are people here certainly stupid enough to believe that Tom Brady did everything except pump up the footballs.....

well maybe not that...

 

[Asklesko]

Oh no! Say it ain't so.

 

[Jfconrow]

Its really strange that Brady retired and now Belichick is leaving. It doesn't seem right, its almost like no one cares about defense, running the ball, clock management or special teams anymore. Brady isn't gong to live in New England and I wonder where Bill will go.

 

[CCBoy]

You know, he will be on a top shelf in history of sports...no doubt. But here and now, with war in the streets we live in, I think somehow, his bank acount will remain very stable...

 

[Jake]

I doubt that happens.

Leaving NE is the right thing for Bill.

NE is facing a huge rebuild.

Now Dallas...we are ready to go.

Yep, Belichick and Trey Lance leading the 2024 Cowboys. That's totally going to happen.

 

[Whirlwin]

He’s right, Brady made him. Belichick did little in Cleveland without a great QB. He had a 5-11 season his first year in NE with Bledsoe. He was 0-2 with Bledsoe during his second year until Brady stepped in and led them to a championship that no one saw coming. In the 5 seasons without Brady as his QB in NE, Belichick had 4 losing seasons. He probably wouldn’t have lasted 4 seasons as the HC in NE had Brady not come along.

I don’t think Brady made him, but he definitely was a great part of it. People are not giving the coach enough credit. John Madden thought it was the wrong call going for it , on the final drive. Belichick had the Moxie to continue. Who knows where the football world, would have turned if they don’t make that decision. Maybe they never win a Super Bowl

 

[Whirlwin]

The game passed Tom Landry by. He was an innovator well before his time. But at the end he didn’t want to evolve.

In retrospect, Jerry made the right decision.

He had just drafted Michael Irvin. Who knows where he could’ve gone and continued.

 

[1942willys]

He had just drafted Michael Irvin. Who knows where he could’ve gone and continued.

Bum Bright was the real problem. He was broke and had cut the budget for scouting and staff. He had to sell the cowboys and had never liked Landry.

 

[Whirlwin]

Bum Bright was the real problem. He was broke and had cut the budget for scouting and staff. He had to sell the cowboys and had never liked Landry.

I turn 70 on the 29th. You just brought back memories. Thank you.

 

[KJJ]

I don’t think Brady made him, but he definitely was a great part of it. People are not giving the coach enough credit. John Madden thought it was the wrong call going for it , on the final drive. Belichick had the Moxie to continue. Who knows where the football world, would have turned if they don’t make that decision. Maybe they never win a Super Bowl

Everyone has their opinion but Belichick never won anything as an HC without Brady.

 

[joseephuss]

Tampa was a dumpster fire forever. Brady goes there and they instantly become a serious contender and super bowl champs. Billy B was trash everywhere he went until Brady took over. Brady leaves and they are an instant dumpster fire and he is already gone. If Billy B goes to Tampa instead of Brady they do nothing and the Pats would have probably won another title. Brady left and proved beyond a shadow of a doubt who was the hard carry and who was along for the ride. Brady is Brady no matter what. Billy B is just another clown without him.

The Pats would not have won a title had Brady stayed and Bill left in 2020. The Pats did not even win a WC game in Brady's last season of 2019. That team has continued to erode since then. It happens. It is challenging to maintain talent.

Tampa wasn't a dumpster fire the year before Brady arrived. It was a good squad, but lacked a good QB. Even so, they managed to make Winston produce some big numbers, but could not prevent him from getting in his own way. Just replacing Winston with a good QB, probably gets the Bucs a playoff berth and at least one playoff victory in 2020. Getting Brady made an even a bigger improvement for Tampa.

 

[joseephuss]

Everyone has their opinion but Belichick never won anything as an HC without Brady.

Landry didn't win SBs without Staubach.
Johnson didn't win SBs without Aikman.
Noll didn't win SBs without Bradshaw.
Walsh didn't win SBs without Montana.
Lombardi didn't win championships without Starr.

Two of the most important parts of a team are what are required to consistently win or be in position to win on a yearly basis. Brady doesn't get those 6 SBs without Belichick and Belichick doesn't get those 6 SBs without Brady.

 

[KJJ]

Landry didn't win SBs without Staubach.
Johnson didn't win SBs without Aikman.
Noll didn't win SBs without Bradshaw.
Walsh didn't win SBs without Montana.
Lombardi didn't win championships without Starr.

Two of the most important parts of a team are what are required to consistently win or be in position to win on a yearly basis. Brady doesn't get those 6 SBs without Belichick and Belichick doesn't get those 6 SBs without Brady.

They were all dependent on having great QBs. Belichick doesn’t win crap without Brady. Landry at least got to a Super Bowl without Staubach and won several conference title games. He also won a number of divisions without him but he couldn’t get over the hump without him.

 

[joseephuss]

They were all dependent on having great QBs. Belichick doesn’t win crap without Brady. Landry at least got to a Super Bowl without Roger Staubach several conference title games. He also won a number of divisions without him.

Brady is great, but we've never seen Belichick coach a team with a good or very good QB not named Brady. Most of the QBs that have started under Bill are not that impressive. Drew Bledsoe is the best of the bunch, but by the time Belichick became the HC, Bledsoe wasn't the same Bledsoe. Bill winning a playoff game with perenial loser Vinny Testaverde is an accomplishment. Making the playoffs with rookie Mac Jones is an accoplishment. Winning 11 games with Matt Cassel is an accomplishment.

Don Meredith, Craig Morton and Danny White are far better QBs than the ones Belichick coached not named Tom Brady.

 

[KJJ]

Brady is great, but we've never seen Belichick coach a team with a good or very good QB not named Brady. Most of the QBs that have started under Bill are not that impressive. Drew Bledsoe is the best of the bunch, but by the time Belichick became the HC, Bledsoe wasn't the same Bledsoe. Bill winning a playoff game with perenial loser Vinny Testaverde is an accomplishment. Making the playoffs with rookie Mac Jones is an accoplishment. Winning 11 games with Matt Cassel is an accomplishment.

Don Meredith, Craig Morton and Danny White are far better QBs than the ones Belichick coached not named Tom Brady.

Bledsoe had just signed the richest QB deal in league history in 2000 when Belichick took over. Bledsoe led NE to a SB a few years earlier. He was a very good QB and Belichick was 5-13 with him over two seasons. Neither Meredith, Morton or White were better than Bledsoe in my opinion. He was in the top 10 all-time passers when he retired and had a 4-3 playoff record with a SB appearance. No one would have made those other three QBs the highest paid in the league.