Belt and Broaddus not all in on Jake Ferguson as the starter

[thunderpimp91]

I think they are just saying what they believe his ceiling to be……not as high as other may think

Bingo, I'm not sure that this should be a knock on the guy. I think this has a lot more to do with them believing that Ferg came out of school as a pretty completed product. Really good player, but has he already come pretty close to what his ceiling is.

 

[Nav22]

Best TE here since Novacek.

Carson Wentz is unemployed.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Bingo, I'm not sure that this should be a knock on the guy. I think this has a lot more to do with them believing that Ferg came out of school as a pretty completed product. Really good player, but has he already come pretty close to what his ceiling is.

I don't buy that given the complexity of the position, and the major differences from a variety of facets between the college and NFL game.

 

[speedkilz88]

I think those comparisons are fair except that Ferguson already looks like a better blocker than Schultz was and Hendershot's a better blocker than Jarwin was. Hopefully, the comparison we end up making for Schoonmaker is Witten.

He's faster than Witten even when Witten ran well. They are hoping he's a Kelce type who threatens the seam.

 

[shabazz]

I think people are thinking about it wrong. For our team, it's likely going to be how we utilize our TEs in the grand scheme of things. If McCarthy has changed anything with the playbook, it's going to be with the TEs, and perhaps their role in relation to Dak. Hopefully, we'll have TE schemes that often give Dak sort of a safety blanket so he doesn't get in the weeds out there, and have to throw into traffic. Intstead, he can just quickly dump it off to a FB, TE, HB, etc.

That's what I hope they are working on. A few more slant, in route, outs, posts, etc, and less option routes, which is where they're running into trouble. McCarthy had been saying that all year. He planted that seed after the first loss. McCarthy is thinking ahead. Make no doubt. Many coaches think in the now. McCarthy looks ahead. I'll give him that. I want him to be more in the now this year, though.

Agree. I don’t see the game plan including a go to Pro Bowl Tight end. Schoon might prove me wrong though once he get on the field and develops

 

[shabazz]

Bingo, I'm not sure that this should be a knock on the guy. I think this has a lot more to do with them believing that Ferg came out of school as a pretty completed product. Really good player, but has he already come pretty close to what his ceiling is.

If tight end by committee is the way to go, so be it. As long as it is effective is all that matters.

I thought that it was that way with Schultz but he apparently commanded more money than they could afford ( or wanted) to pay

 

[thunderpimp91]

I don't buy that given the complexity of the position, and the major differences from a variety of facets between the college and NFL game.

Very fair, I'm typically pretty low on TEs their rookie year for those exact reasons, but he was also a 5th year sr who saw significant game action all four years of playing. Even many of the scouting reports on Ferguson suggested something similar....

"The redshirt senior provides NFL teams with a fairly day one ready skillset with his blocking prowess. Ferguson will likely have a solid career in the NFL due to his overall competitiveness and reliability as a blocker and with his strong hands. He can be a strong rotational piece who plays primarily on run downs and if he adds more nuance to his routes, can become an average starter."

How true that is, I can't say for sure. I hope he has a lot of room left to improve, but pre draft he had that label to him by some publications and the Cowboys actions in this years draft seem to align with that thinking. The TE situation has me pretty excited for training camp to get here.

 

[Pass2Run]

Agree. I don’t see the game plan including a go to Pro Bowl Tight end. Schoon might prove me wrong though once he get on the field and develops

For sure. I like the TE by committee approach. It gives the players a chance to develop, and compete, while also helping each other and the team. They have one of the most underrated coaches in the league, in my opinion.

Plus, McCarthy better have a gameplan in mind to get them all involved.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Very fair, I'm typically pretty low on TEs their rookie year for those exact reasons, but he was also a 5th year sr who saw significant game action all four years of playing. Even many of the scouting reports on Ferguson suggested something similar....

"The redshirt senior provides NFL teams with a fairly day one ready skillset with his blocking prowess. Ferguson will likely have a solid career in the NFL due to his overall competitiveness and reliability as a blocker and with his strong hands. He can be a strong rotational piece who plays primarily on run downs and if he adds more nuance to his routes, can become an average starter."

How true that is, I can't say for sure. I hope he has a lot of room left to improve, but pre draft he had that label to him by some publications and the Cowboys actions in this years draft seem to align with that thinking. The TE situation has me pretty excited for training camp to get here.

He already looked better as a receiver than what that claims.

 

[thunderpimp91]

He already looked better as a receiver than what that claims.

Maybe.... I'm not sure that 19 catches proves that he's a great receiver ready for a starting role though.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Maybe.... I'm not sure that 19 catches proves that he's a great receiver ready for a starting role though.

I'm just saying that your scouting report is already demonstrably wrong and not making a larger inference.

I am alright with ambiguity and don't buy that Ferguson is so previously developed that he is not going to improve in year 2.

 

[Majic]

From their latest podcast. Neither guy seems confident in Ferguson as the starter or even the best player at the position.

Belt even went as far as to say that the Cowboys drafted Ferguson not because they were in love with the prospect but because they felt they had to get a TE with that pick because of the TE run that was taking place and that Ferguson lacks the upside of Schoonmaker and Hendershot.

I like Ferguson. I think he's got moxie. The kind of guy who can make a play at a critical point in the game. I want him on my team but as the backup. So I tend to agree with this take. I'm just not sure the others are any better as these guys seem to think.

35 minute mark of the video.

Paragraph 2 of your comment shows the Cowboy's understanding of drafting leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[VaqueroTD]

Belt even went as far as to say that the Cowboys drafted Ferguson not because they were in love with the prospect but because they felt they had to get a TE with that pick because of the TE run that was taking place and that Ferguson lacks the upside of Schoonmaker and Hendershot.

That‘s basically the same way I view Schoonmaker.

 

[Alexander]

If anything, I think they soured on the TE room in the playoffs for whatever reason.

I don't see the issue with Ferguson. Is he a little itty bitty Witten clone? No. It is still not a reason to panic because your board got blown up by a run on the TEs in the 2nd. They anticipated they could be patient and get one and well, they got the last one.

 

[Jarntt]

I liked what I saw of Ferguson, but no one should be "all in" on him as a starter. That's nuts. He had 19 catches last year and is only in year two. Right now he is only the starter because our other TEs are another 2nd year guy who had even fewer catches, a blocking TE who is also very young and a 2nd round pick who has yet to put on a full set of pads with this team. I am excited to see them all this year and see how they develop.

 

[Rayman70]

Bobby Belt has Daddy Issues or something & needs a cookie and attitude adjustment. Thinks he is always right. He's the self ordained "expert" on 105.3 the fan and I will never understand why. I go with the opposite of what he says 99.9% of the time. Fergie will have a great year. Bryan B says things all the time, and goes against the grain just to get a reaction I think. I like Bryan and trust him much more than Belt. Bryan is a great politician. Belt is worse than a used car salesman.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Bobby Belt has Daddy Issues or something & needs a cookie and attitude adjustment. Thinks he is always right. He's the self ordained "expert" on 105.3 the fan and I will never understand why. I go with the opposite of what he says 99.9% of the time. Fergie will have a great year. Bryan B says things all the time, and goes against the grain just to get a reaction I think. I like Bryan and trust him much more than Belt. Bryan is a great politician. Belt is worse than a used car salesman.

I like used car salespeople more than politicians.

 

[Aven8]

From their latest podcast. Neither guy seems confident in Ferguson as the starter or even the best player at the position.

Belt even went as far as to say that the Cowboys drafted Ferguson not because they were in love with the prospect but because they felt they had to get a TE with that pick because of the TE run that was taking place and that Ferguson lacks the upside of Schoonmaker and Hendershot.

I like Ferguson. I think he's got moxie. The kind of guy who can make a play at a critical point in the game. I want him on my team but as the backup. So I tend to agree with this take. I'm just not sure the others are any better as these guys seem to think.

35 minute mark of the video.

Bobby Belt is a stooge IMO. Hate his voice.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I question their reasoning on Ferguson. I don’t care how he got here, only what he did once he was here. And that was to exceed all expectations.

Exceeded how? Iike the kid, but he didnt catch a lot of passes. Had one great play where he hurdled a defender and now everyone has love in their eyes. Then of course Kelce complimented him and now's he's a super hero.

Bottom line is Schooner is the better athlete, better blocker, faster. As far as hands we will have to see. Shultz had unbelievable hands.

 

[Risen Star]

He was and like you said, he showed some playmaker abilities. Fun thing how Broadus and that other cat don't seem to like Ferguson.Travis Kelse, over in Kansas City, was interviewed awhile back and asked who were the young tight ends that he liked. He named two players and Ferguson was one of those two players. I believe I will listen Kelse before I listen to Broadus and his buddy. Look it up on YouTube.

Don't have to. He was asked who are some of the young TEs just coming into the league that he liked and he named three players who attended his TE camp.

Means nothing.