Benefits Of Trading Down...

[AbeBeta]

people fell in love with the trade down concept back when Jimmy did it so much.

but Jimmy was building a new type of D -- one that was not common in the NFL, so the guys he liked tended to fall -- often because they were seen as being undersized.

When we traded down in '04 it was because we evaluated the talent difference between pick 22 and pick 43 as minimal -- and if you look at those picks, that looks like a good decision (Chris Gamble is the only real stud that went between those picks)

 

[Doomsday101]

people fell in love with the trade down concept back when Jimmy did it so much.

but Jimmy was building a new type of D -- one that was not common in the NFL, so the guys he liked tended to fall -- often because they were seen as being undersized.

When we traded down in '04 it was because we evaluated the talent difference between pick 22 and pick 43 as minimal -- and if you look at those picks, that looks like a good decision (Chris Gamble is the only real stud that went between those picks)

We traded down when we got Roy Williams as well. Normally I would rather stay put I just think that there are some very good players that also will fit our needs by traded down in the draft

 

[Canadian BoyzFan]

Bottom line here for me is.......Wait and see. Don't go into the draft with only 1 plan. You can't control what the 17 teams before you do. Be flexible and able to change depending on what unfolds.

Then, if an opportunity to drop is there and makes sense....you do it.

 

[CowboyWay]

If we could load up on picks, we could get into the Adrian Peterson sweepstakes next year. If he stays healthy he could be a true franchise back and would be worth trading up for.

I can see that, but not for Adrian Peterson. No way. He had a great rookie year, but last year he was hampered by injuries. I need to see more of him before I did something like that.

But............I'm not opposed to trading out of the #1 pick, picking up a #1 pick for next year, then trading them both for Brady Quinn (provided he has another great year).

Bledsoe is getting older, and I don't have any faith in Drew Henson. We need to start grooming a QB.
But I would like to take a look at Romo in some real games. To me, he has more upside than Henson.

 

[Alexander]

people fell in love with the trade down concept back when Jimmy did it so much.

but Jimmy was building a new type of D -- one that was not common in the NFL, so the guys he liked tended to fall -- often because they were seen as being undersized.

When we traded down in '04 it was because we evaluated the talent difference between pick 22 and pick 43 as minimal -- and if you look at those picks, that looks like a good decision (Chris Gamble is the only real stud that went between those picks)

Coach Johnson did it, but it didn't start and finish with him. Jerry Jones has always been fond of moving draft choices.

Historically, we are usually one of the teams most likely to deal on draft day and have been since he bought the team.

 

[Hostile]

Does anybody have a link to the trade value chart? What team has picks worth trading for? Anybody have 2 high seconds?

http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52634

 

[IndianaCowboyFan]

Thanks Hostile.

 

[Hostile]

Thanks Hostile.

No problem at all, glad to help.

 

[IndianaCowboyFan]

No problem at all, glad to help.

Well then I will ask you if you have any thoughts concerning who may be a willing and able trader? I have the feeling they will be trading down or at least trying. I am not sure if 18 to 28 or so makes any difference.

 

[brewers47]

If we could load up on picks, we could get into the Adrian Peterson sweepstakes next year. If he stays healthy he could be a true franchise back and would be worth trading up for.

Seriously for Peterson you must be insane sure he is a wonderful player but if you are going to trade up all the way into the top 5 next year to take him instead of trading up into the Top 5 and taking Brady Quinn who with Parcells and Bledsoe gone after the Superbowl win will be our starter for many years to come

 

[Hostile]

Well then I will ask you if you have any thoughts concerning who may be a willing and able trader? I have the feeling they will be trading down or at least trying. I am not sure if 18 to 28 or so makes any difference.

Chicago or Indianapolis would be my best guesses unless a team at the top of the 2nd wants back into the 1st.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

Julius is serviceable, but he is not in the same league as Peterson.

I am not completley sold on Julius, but Peterson while a great college back does not neccesarily translate to the pro level " runs high, takes a lot of hits, shiftiness " Injuries will be a big question mark heading into this year with him.

I like Peterson as a running back but I would have to ask myself how long will he last in the NFL with his running style.

 

[Hostile]

I am not completley sold on Julius, but Peterson while a great college back does not neccesarily translate to the pro level " runs high, takes a lot of hits, shiftiness " Injuries will be a big question mark heading into this year with him.

I like Peterson as a running back but I would have to ask myself how long will he last in the NFL with his running style.

Eric Dickerson had the same "negatives."

 

[bobbie brewskie]

Does anybody have a link to the trade value chart? What team has picks worth trading for? Anybody have 2 high seconds?

dont the Texans have the #1 and #2 pick in the 2nd round? that would be a big trade for us to get both of em, but thats the only team i can think of with two high 2nd rounders.

Trading down in this situation would be an ideal situation if the 17 teams before us pass on some value players that we can get a good trade out of, and we would definately be able to get 2 picks in the thick of the draft (i.e. 2 in the middle of 2nd - early third.) Yea, trading down is risky in the sense that you may get 2 mediocre players instead of 1 stud who can start right away, but hey look at JuJo, that was a very good choice, and Canty was also a draft day trade.

Trading down has its downside as you dont get the stud, but its upside is adding two players, and we have a lot of positions to fill (OL, FS, SOLB and even a WR - latter rounds) with a trade down we have more versatility to fill these holes, and are not losing all to much as all these players are supposedly so close in the talent pool.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

Eric Dickerson had the same "negatives."

Dickerson was much faster and not considered a power back. Dickerson was once in a generation and Adrian Peterson is no Dickerson. Also when Dickerson was playing LB's and DE's were not cositently running in the 4.5 to 4.6 range.

 

[brewers47]

Texans have the first two picks in the 3rd

 

[IndianaCowboyFan]

dont the Texans have the #1 and #2 pick in the 2nd round? that would be a big trade for us to get both of em, but thats the only team i can think of with two high 2nd rounders.

Trading down in this situation would be an ideal situation if the 17 teams before us pass on some value players that we can get a good trade out of, and we would definately be able to get 2 picks in the thick of the draft (i.e. 2 in the middle of 2nd - early third.) Yea, trading down is risky in the sense that you may get 2 mediocre players instead of 1 stud who can start right away, but hey look at JuJo, that was a very good choice, and Canty was also a draft day trade.

Trading down has its downside as you dont get the stud, but its upside is adding two players, and we have a lot of positions to fill (OL, FS, SOLB and even a WR - latter rounds) with a trade down we have more versatility to fill these holes, and are not losing all to much as all these players are supposedly so close in the talent pool.

A trade with the Texans for the #1 and #2 pick in the 2nd round would be great. BPA with those picks would be helpful especially with the ability of Ireland to seem to pick very good players. I am not sold that there will be a stud available at 18.

 

[IndianaCowboyFan]

Texans have the first two picks in the 3rd

Well ignore my above post then.:bang2:

 

[AbeBeta]

We traded down when we got Roy Williams as well. Normally I would rather stay put I just think that there are some very good players that also will fit our needs by traded down in the draft

of course when you move from 6 to 8 it isn't a big sacrifice. moving out of round 1 entirely is a risky proposition.

 

[brewers47]

A trade with the Texans for the #1 and #2 pick in the 2nd round would be great. BPA with those picks would be helpful especially with the ability of Ireland to seem to pick very good players. I am not sold that there will be a stud available at 18.

Texans have the first two picks in the 3rd not the 2nd