Ben's TD was a TD

[MapleLeaf]

...you guys must have incredible vision beyond 20/20 because I'm watching the video right now and it's blurrier than heck.

Even the replay you can hardly differentiate the colour of the ball from the jersey.

At this very second I've frozen the image on my PVR and I can't even see the stripe of the ball never mind where it is.

Now it may be that I don't have HD TV or whatever, but from what I can see on my TV I wouldn't make that call based on replay. Only the ref has the best view in my opinion.

 

[Doomsday101]

It's just a shame.
A real shame for the Seahawks.

Seattle was the best team that day, but they got jobbed.

Pittsburgh's QB was pathetic, and save one good run, so was their running game.

Seattle moved the ball well against the Steelers D, .. Porter did nothing, Polamalu did nothing.

Bettis was his usual slow, fat, show-off do nothing self, ... 3 yds per carry.

Seattle made big plays, but they were continuously overturned by mysterious penalties.

A 98 yd drive in the 4th qtr to score the go ahead TD is what Super Bowl legends are made of, .. but that was taken from the Seahawks for no good reason.

The AP is talking about it, ESPN is talking about it, the Seahawks are talking about it, we are talking about it, everybody is, but nothing is going to change.

Was it coincidence that every crutial call went against one team at the worst of times ?

Was it so the Roonies could get their 5th, ... after all that would be good for the NFL, right ?

Was it so Cowher, who has been a good role model of a coach, could finally get that monkey off of his back, ... after all, he deserves it, doesn't he ?

And it's good for the NFL.

Was it so that the "feel-good" story of this Super Bowl, could come to fruition and Bettis could "come home" and win a Super Bowl, after all that would be good for the NFL, right ?

Do you think that from a marketing standpoint, more T-shirts, hats, etc will be sold if the Steelers win or the Seahawks ?

The Steelers did not win this game.

It's just a shame, a real shame for the Seahawks and their fans.

if this had happened to the Cowboys I would be sick.

Parity sucks.

I don't think the NFL would risk losing longtime fans and viewers for the sake of Pitt, Rooney or Cowher. Bad calls did take place but the game being rigged or fixed? What purpose would that serve? The risk vs reward would make no sense at all.

 

[jman]

...you guys must have incredible vision beyond 20/20 because I'm watching the video right now and it's blurrier than heck.

Even the replay you can hardly differentiate the colour of the ball from the jersey.

At this very second I've frozen the image on my PVR and I can't even see the stripe of the ball never mind where it is.

Now it may be that I don't have HD TV or whatever, but from what I can see on my TV I wouldn't make that call based on replay. Only the ref has the best view in my opinion.

You can't tell white and yellow from brown?

A NFL ball has no stripe.

And what about the ref that was running up to the pile signaling 4th down and pointing to the spot, then all the sudden when he get near the pile he signals TD?

 

[DLCassidy]

See I'm a simple guy. I'm dumb enough to think Oswald acted alone.:laugh2: I don't see the SB as being some great conspiracy to help the Steelers. The Hawks had a bunch of calls go against them that's a fact. Those calls did affect the outcome of the game, also a fact.

But which calls in this game were clear cut ridiculous? Which ones indicated a ref had to be favoring the Steelers? The pass interference? No, the guy did push off. Is that always called? No, but it's not as bad as the PI against the Patriots at the end of the half against Denver. Roth's TD? We've covered that. The holding on the pass down to the 2? Bad call but no where near as ridiculous as the hold on Flo in the 1st Skins game. The blocking call on Hasselbeck? Wrong call but that wasn't really a game changer. I'll go as far as to say the Hawks have a legitimate beef with the way the game was called- but spare me the agenda/conspiracy theories. That doesn't wash. The refs make mistakes and the Hawks own mistakes magnified the importance os some of the bad calls.

One unrelated thing about the Hawks. I remember watching them last year and thinking "Seattle's receiver's are killing Hasselbeck with drops". But this year I saw them a few times and that wasn't a problem. The Super Bowl? Jerramy Stevens drops were as big or bigger factor in the game than the refs.

 

[Doomsday101]

See I'm a simple guy. I'm dumb enough to think Oswald acted alone.:laugh2: I don't see the SB as being some great conspiracy to help the Steelers. The Hawks had a bunch of calls go against them that's a fact. Those calls did affect the outcome of the game, also a fact.

But which calls in this game were clear cut ridiculous? Which ones indicated a ref had to be favoring the Steelers? The pass interference? No, the guy did push off. Is that always called? No, but it's not as bad as the PI against the Patriots at the end of the half against Denver. Roth's TD? We've covered that. The holding on the pass down to the 2? Bad call but no where near as ridiculous as the hold on Flo in the 1st Skins game. The blocking call on Hasselbeck? Wrong call but that wasn't really a game changer. I'll go as far as to say the Hawks have a legitimate beef with the way the game was called- but spare me the agenda/conspiracy theories. That doesn't wash. The refs make mistakes and the Hawks own mistakes magnified the importance os some of the bad calls.

One unrelated thing about the Hawks. I remember watching them last year and thinking "Seattle's receiver's are killing Hasselbeck with drops". But this year I saw them a few times and that wasn't a problem. The Super Bowl? Jerramy Stevens drops were as big or bigger factor in the game than the refs.

I think they blew the call on Stevens by calling what should have been a catch and fumble an incompleted pass. As I said yesterday there were some bad call and questionable calls mostly against Sea but Sea had a couple of calls go their way as well. I think the leadership in the NFL knows what the consequences would be to have a SB game fixed and there is no way they would take that risk

 

[WV Cowboy]

I'm not suggesting conspiracy.

I'm not ruling it out.

But don't be naive enough to think that money plays no part in NFL games.

Millions and millions and millions are at stake.

Especially on the Super Bowl.

The happenings in this game went way beyond the odds of coincidence.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm not suggesting conspiracy.

I'm not ruling it out.

But don't be naive enough to think that money plays no part in NFL games.

Millions and millions and millions are at stake.

Especially on the Super Bowl.

The happenings in this game went way beyond the odds of coincidence.

Those millions look like chump change when talking the overall value of the NFL and what would be at risk by have a game rigged.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Like I said previously, it's a shame.

It's a shame we aren't talking about how good the winners looked, .. it's a shame we aren't talking about how precise and poised the winning QB was and what great numbers he put up, .. it's a shame we arent' talking about that great catch or performance from a WR, it's a shame we aren't talking about how awesome the winning teams defense played.

Instead, we are talking about how the team that absolutely sucked won, and how the best team lost on questionable officiating.

Just a shame.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Those millions look like chump change when talking the overall value of the NFL and what would be at risk by have a game rigged.

Who can prove anything ?

You don't believe that there has never been an NFL game that was rigged ??

Money rules everything, sad to say.

 

[Doomsday101]

Who can prove anything ?

You don't believe that there has never been an NFL game that was rigged ??

Money rules everything, sad to say.

No I don't. NFL has been very consistent when it comes to this issue. A player could rape someone and get a second chance, a player could fail drug test after drug test and get another chance. You get caught gambling your history no second chance. QB of the colts was caught gambling "Art Shliester" he was gone. Namathe had a bar in NY and because of people in organized crime being at his club on a reg basis Namath was informed give up the bar or the career. Legitimate sports take this issue very seriously because if it is found out to be fake or fixed they will lose so much. I agree money rules everything but the millions that are involved in the SB is chump change compared to the Billions the NFL generates. I don't think anyone in the NFL is that stupid to risk that much.

 

[WV Cowboy]

It's only an issue if someone gets caught.

Namath was in the 60's, Schleister the 70's I think.

Anything a little more recent to point to?

We just have different views on this I guess.

 

[Doomsday101]

It's only an issue if someone gets caught.

Namath was in the 60's, Schleister the 70's I think.

Anything a little more recent to point to?

We just have different views on this I guess.

Lets just say I don't think the NFL and the WWF have anything in common. I think we have some who hate Pitt and are upset they won but when you get down to it there have been many bad calls in SB,playoff and reg season it is called Human error and it is a part of all sports. How many of the Cowboys SB victories were rigged or fixed?

 

[DLCassidy]

I think they blew the call on Stevens by calling what should have been a catch and fumble an incompleted pass. As I said yesterday there were some bad call and questionable calls mostly against Sea but Sea had a couple of calls go their way as well. I think the leadership in the NFL knows what the consequences would be to have a SB game fixed and there is no way they would take that risk

I agree that was a fumble, ball was secured and both feet on the ground. But correct me if I'm wrong, the ref blew the whistle on that play before anyone picked up the ball. If so, in the event Holmgren challenged the call, if it were ruled a fumble possession would stay with Seattle.

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree that was a fumble, ball was secured and both feet on the ground. But correct me if I'm wrong, the ref blew the whistle on that play before anyone picked up the ball. If so, in the event Holmgren challenged the call, if it were ruled a fumble possession would stay with Seattle.

True since the whistle blew the play could not be reviewed it remains an incompleted pass.

 

[kingwhicker]

Ben said on Letterman that HE didn't think it was a score. He was telling Cowher he didn't get in, and that they should go for it

CASE CLOSED.

 

[DLCassidy]

True since the whistle blew the play could not be reviewed it remains an incompleted pass.

I don't think so. The whistle blowing simply means the play is dead from that point. The fumble/no fumble issue is still reviewable.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't think so. The whistle blowing simply means the play is dead from that point. The fumble/no fumble issue is still reviewable.

Not once the whistle is blow the play is over it goes as incomplete which was the initial ruling. The reason is once the play is whistled anything that happens after the fact is a non reviewable which is why the refs tell the coaches it can't be reviewed the play was blown dead

 

[DLCassidy]

Not once the whistle is blow the play is over it goes as incomplete which was the initial ruling. The reason is once the play is whistled anything that happens after the fact is a non reviewable which is why the refs tell the coaches it can't be reviewed the play was blown dead

Again I don't think so. I agree that nothing that happened after the whistle is blown can be reviewed but a question of whether a ball was caught or fumbled before the whistle blew can be.

 

[big dog cowboy]

It looked like he crossed the Goal Line when in the air before he came down.

I am not positive but it looked like it to me.

Any conclusive evidence?

Of course it was a TD. The refs said so. We all know they never make a mistake.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

We now have conclusive evidence. Ben said on Leno last night that he didn't score. Want anything more than that?