Best arm and best receiver hooking up will be sweet :)

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DLCassidy said:
It might be a lot more interesting comparison if Palmer was playing behind our line and Bledsoe was playing behind theirs. Did you watch any of the Bengals games last year?

When has Bledose ever been consider accurate his career passing % in a passing era is a whopping 57.3%
 

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Steve Smith, Chad Johnson, and Torry Holt are not game-changing WR's? I think you need a knock on the head! Smith was an MVP candidate last year and was certainly the MVP of the Panthers' playoff run in 2003. Johnson led his team on and off the field in a way I haven't seen since Michael Irvin. Holt has been so dominant for so long you tend to ignore his contribution, but he might be the best WR in the league. Not game-changing? Without these guys the game is sunk!


I'm sorry but I have to agree with this statement. Marvin might be the best the game has ever other than the ageless one himself. That being said however, outside of T.O.'s antics, athletically he is among the top three in the game still.
 

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Alexander said:
Ten to one he is.

You're a staunch fan , I'll give you that, but surely even you realize that there's more to the NFL than Bledsoe, and McNabb!? However, since you and your cohort brought up the subject, consider these things before you start waving the Bledsoe flag...

Bledsoe:


More experience, may even be more accurate with a stronger arm
14 years experience
Born: 2/14/1972 -- 35 years old

Note: May have seen his best days (this year will demonstrate); may be a better backup QB in 2007;

McNabb:

Less experience, may be less accurate with less range
8 years experience
Born: 1/25/1976 -- 30 years old

Note: Still improving ...more mobile, stronger and faster.


I'll wait to hear from the statisticians -- I know it's coming.:cool:
 

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Phoenix-Talon said:


You're a staunch fan , I'll give you that, but surely even you realize that there's more to the NFL than Bledsoe, and McNabb!? However, since you and your cohort brought up the subject, consider these things before you start waving the Bledsoe flag...

Bledsoe:


More experience, may even be more accurate with a stronger arm
14 years experience
Born: 2/14/1972 -- 35 years old

Note: May have seen his best days (this year will demonstrate); may be a better backup QB in 2007;

McNabb:

Less experience, may be less accurate with less range
8 years experience
Born: 1/25/1976 -- 30 years old

Note: Still improving ...more mobile, stronger and faster.


I'll wait to hear from the statisticians -- I know it's coming.:cool:

I don't think there is much dissention, outside of Philadelphia, that McNabb is one of the LEAST accurate QBs in the game today. The guy is an excellent athlete and makes plays but accuracy is NOT his strong suit.

Bledsoe, on the other hand, doesn't have much except his accuracy, which is excellent. He certainly isn't going to beat anyone with his legs.

In case you missed it the discussion was about accuracy and arm strength.
 

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THUMPER said:
In case you missed it the discussion was about accuracy and arm strength.

Didn't miss anything ...in case you missed it, my discussion was responding to another poster -- you came out of nowhere with a different wrinkle. Take a look for yourself ...then figure it out...

Who are you arguing for? McNabb? Bwahhhh hahahhhah

When Drew and T.O. do what Donovan and T.O could not do then I am guessing that you will not even come back to this board.

Oh wait, you will come back and be all PC. Things like "I actually am happy for you guys winning the SB with T.O."

Thumper, sometimes I have to respond to off-topic comments. You probably don't have to concern yourself about that, and I understand. But don't sling comments at me like that until you take a look at what one of your off-topic
fandom has said prior to your comments.

On Topic:

Quote from Thumper... I don't think there is much dissention, outside of Philadelphia, that McNabb is one of the LEAST accurate QBs in the game today. The guy is an excellent athlete and makes plays but accuracy is NOT his strong suit.

He's thrown His share of picks; but I'd still say He's more accurate than Tony Romo or Drew Henson.

He certainly isn't going to beat anyone with his legs.

You got that right!

In case you missed it the discussion was about accuracy and arm strength.

See my comments above ...
 

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Phoenix-Talon said:
McNabb:

Less experience, may be less accurate with less range
8 years experience
Born: 1/25/1976 -- 30 years old

Note: Still improving ...more mobile, stronger and faster.


I'll wait to hear from the statisticians -- I know it's coming.:cool:

You have to admit, that was a tough throw hitting Roy Williams on the run like that! Not many NFL QB's would make that read and throw at that crucial a time!

P.S., if at 30, is he getting stronger or faster? After 8 years, he shouldn't have much need for impriovement. If he isn't at the top of his game right now, he never will!
 

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THUMPER said:
I don't think there is much dissention, outside of Philadelphia, that McNabb is one of the LEAST accurate QBs in the game today. The guy is an excellent athlete and makes plays but accuracy is NOT his strong suit.

Bledsoe, on the other hand, doesn't have much except his accuracy, which is excellent. He certainly isn't going to beat anyone with his legs.

In case you missed it the discussion was about accuracy and arm strength.

Precisely.

That's the argument. Nobody with a sane mind would assert that either are the most accurate or have the strongest arm.
 

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Torry Holt, Steve Smith, Hines Ward, Marvin Harrison, Chad Johnson, Randy Moss, THEN Owens and Santana Moss so I rank him tied for 7th.
Take away the personality and problem child attitude that he has, can you honestly say that those six receivers are better than Terrell Owens? I think you may change your opinion after this season.

Look, I am not fond of him either as a person, but as a player he is one of the best that I have ever seen (since the 70's). He catches everything near him, he can be physical and he can go deep. I can't tell you how many times I have seen TO catch a slant pass, shed a linebacker, and take it to the house. How many of the receivers on that list can do that?

Torry Holt? Great finesse receiver, great speed and route running but doesn't do well over the middle.

Steve Smith? Smallish receiver, great in the open field but can't make a play in traffic. Gets pushed around by bigger cornerbacks too.

Marvin Harrison? Very good receiver, but would this guy have put up the kind of numbers that TO has with Garcia throwing to him?

Chad Johnson and Randy Moss are at least in Terrell's league.

It's a matter of opinion, of course, but I would put Terrell Owens in the top 5 best receivers ever to play the game. The guy is just phenomenal.
 

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we got t.o. so db will be throwing to the 6th best wr, not 1st, but still good to think about
 

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OK since people brought it up

McNabb (err McChoke)
Currently has a Career Completion % of 58.4%

Bledsoe has a Career Completion % of 57.3%


TD's to Int we will look at ratio do to years in league gap

Bledose has 244 Td to 198 int Bledose has a 1.23 TD to Int Ratio

McNabb has 134TD to 66 int McNabb on the other hand has 2.03 TD to int Ratio

YPA

Bledsoe a 6.64 career average

MCNabb a 6.60 career average (He plays in a dink and dunk offense to now that is sad)

OK so how is Bledsoe so much better than McNabb ?

:confused:
 

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well, regardless of this bledsoe vs mcnabb rant that's going on, bledsoe still isn't the most accurate AND the strongest arm. good QB though. just make sure his line can keep up.

and lemme guess, someone is gonna bring up brunell even though i'm not comparing the two, just stating my opinion. :rolleyes:
 

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Kangaroo said:
OK since people brought it up

McNabb (err McChoke)
Currently has a Career Completion % of 58.4%

Bledsoe has a Career Completion % of 57.3%


TD's to Int we will look at ratio do to years in league gap

Bledose has 244 Td to 198 int Bledose has a 1.23 TD to Int Ratio

McNabb has 134TD to 66 int McNabb on the other hand has 2.03 TD to int Ratio

YPA

Bledsoe a 6.64 career average

MCNabb a 6.60 career average (He plays in a dink and dunk offense to now that is sad)

OK so how is Bledsoe so much better than McNabb ?

:confused:


Good post. The only thing anyone could argue is that McNabb's percentage of passes completed could be inflated bec. he plays in a WCO.

But his ypc isn't much lower and TD to INT rate are better.

McNabb did most of that without a true #1 WR too...
 

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Cowchips said:
No one argues that Drew Bledsoe has the best, most accurate arm in football (robo-quarterback was his nickname in college). Watching him hook up with the best receiver in football is gonna be sweet. This will require that Bledsoe stays upright but if they give him some protection, it will be an amazing season for the Cowboys.

Absolutley!!! Bledsoe is still the most accurate deep passer in football.
Gotta love the 70+ yard throws with TOUCH!!

Gonna be FUN this year!!!!
 

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Phoenix-Talon said:
Same could be said for Bledsoe!

Yes, I think Bledsoe is at the top of his game. But youa re the one that said that McFlabb was better because he was still improving. He is getting injured more often now and the beating he is taking in the pass first, then pass more offense that the Eagle run will just make it worse. I think you are going to see a serious slide on Chunky's part do to the abuse he has taken.

He isn't going to get any better.
 

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Kangaroo said:
OK since people brought it up

McNabb (err McChoke)
Currently has a Career Completion % of 58.4%

Bledsoe has a Career Completion % of 57.3%


TD's to Int we will look at ratio do to years in league gap

Bledose has 244 Td to 198 int Bledose has a 1.23 TD to Int Ratio

McNabb has 134TD to 66 int McNabb on the other hand has 2.03 TD to int Ratio

YPA

Bledsoe a 6.64 career average

MCNabb a 6.60 career average (He plays in a dink and dunk offense to now that is sad)

OK so how is Bledsoe so much better than McNabb ?

:confused:

Nobodies saying Bledsoe is better. But he is stronger and more accurate, particularly deep. Neither is actually particularly accurate on the short and intermediate stuff.

Bledsoe has been hurt on his YPA by playing behind some horrific O-lines the past few years. McNabb has never had a completely sub-par offensive line in his career, and even what holes he's had he can make up for with his athleticism. Bledsoe can't do that.

Again, not saying Drew is the better QB, but if I knew I had a dominate offensive line with lots of depth I'd probably play Drew over McNabb. but that would probably be the only time, and that's pretty rare these days.
 

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KingTuna said:
Absolutley!!! Bledsoe is still the most accurate deep passer in football.
Gotta love the 70+ yard throws with TOUCH!!

Gonna be FUN this year!!!!
But can he throw a 30 yard slant? :D
 
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