Best arm and best receiver hooking up will be sweet :)

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Cowchips said:
Actually when he had Glenn and Jefferson, he did pretty well. If not for Randy White, the Pats would have won it all that year and we'd all be talking about Bledsoe instead of Brett Favre being HOF bound.
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Yes when Bledsoe had Glenn, Jefferson, Coates and a young Curtis Martin they were a very formidable offensive unit. In fact the Pats were ranked as the 16th overall defense that season, proving that Bledsoe's arm got them there in the first place.

If it wasn't for the Pats lousy special teams giving up two TD's to Desmond Howard than they would have won that superbowl. Don't forget....Bledsoe led the Pats to two early TD passes and was looking near flawless until Howard broke the game open and forced the Pats to play from behind the entire second half.

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Bledsoe has been putting up big numbers his entire career with average to subpar offensive talent around him, even worse he's had no real semblance of an offensive line.

Guys like Manning and Palmer have had top offensive lines blocking for them, as well as a pletheura of great WR's, TE's and RB's around them....

Palmer passed for 3836 yards last season....less than 200 more than Bledsoe.
He had 32 TD's, but again look at the studs he has catching the football....The Answer isn't that impressed by Palmer and he's not even among the top 5 QB's in the game right now.

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But Bledsoe is?
 
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Game Changing WR are:

1. Randy Moss(but he takes plays off and has no heart so this #1 is deceiving and you could easily put TO here)
2. Terrell Owens
3. Santana Moss

in that order...

those others are just great WR's NOT game changers IMO
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You can't leave off Steve Smith's name on that list buddy, come one the guy is feared by DB's across the NFL...
 
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What is will all the Palmer love? It's almost as bad as the lust for Peyton Manning.....

Palmer is a great young QB, but he only had one good season. And just like Manning, he has plenty of toys to play with. The Answer wants to see how he responds this season after coming off a serious injury and what he can do in the playoffs if he makes it there and is healthy.

It's ludicrous to say that Bledsoe isn't close to Palmer...if anything Palmer isn't even close to Bledsoe right now.

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:rolleyes:

all 32 league GM/personnel leaders would take Carson Palmer over Drew Bledsoe...I'd venture to guess if they knew Palmer was 100% they'd all take take him as the player they'd start a franchise with as well

if his knee is sound, he is easily the best pure passer in the NFL...I'd take him over any NFL starter as well...he has a great future ahead of him

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I'd say this is overstated but the point itself is not lost on me.

Bledsoe is a strong-armed., accurate guy and it will be interesting to see how he fares with T.O who has never had a QB with near that type of arm strength and accuracy combined.

Who I think T.O. helps the most is the O.L.

How many times did teams blitz and watch T.O. do crazy end zone routines the past few years?
 
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dbair1967 said:
:rolleyes:

all 32 league GM/personnel leaders would take Carson Palmer over Drew Bledsoe...I'd venture to guess if they knew Palmer was 100% they'd all take take him as the player they'd start a franchise with as well

if his knee is sound, he is easily the best pure passer in the NFL...I'd take him over any NFL starter as well...he has a great future ahead of him

David
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If Palmer is healthy he is a top 5 player in a free for all draft. Only questions is do you take a QB first, not which QB.

If Palmer hadn't gotten injured I believe they win the Super Bowl last season and everyone has Brady then Palmer as their top 2.

I will agree that he has a good OL and a lot of weapons but they don't throw the passes for him. He's the prototype.

Knee injuries are scary though, hope the guy is fine he is my fantasy QB:).
 
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If your not excited about watching Drew hook up with TO this year, then there's something wrong with you.
 

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Same could be said for Bledsoe!
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Both of you need to pipe it down a little. lol Quarterback's performances vary from year to year based on several different factors like supporting cast, health, injuries, opposition etc.

This tit for tat business is for the birds. When the season starts, I can assure you that we're going to be beating the E-girls down; so when that happens, Bledsoe will prevail the better QB.

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If your not excited about watching Drew hook up with TO this year, then there's something wrong with you.
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I pretty much agree with this cloud of methane gas; except I'd add in Glenn, Witten and Fasano.
 
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Cowchips said:
No one argues that Drew Bledsoe has the best, most accurate arm in football (robo-quarterback was his nickname in college).
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I'm sure plenty of people will argue that.
 
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OK since people brought it up

McNabb (err McChoke)
Currently has a Career Completion % of 58.4%

Bledsoe has a Career Completion % of 57.3%


TD's to Int we will look at ratio do to years in league gap

Bledose has 244 Td to 198 int Bledose has a 1.23 TD to Int Ratio

McNabb has 134TD to 66 int McNabb on the other hand has 2.03 TD to int Ratio

YPA

Bledsoe a 6.64 career average

MCNabb a 6.60 career average (He plays in a dink and dunk offense to now that is sad)

OK so how is Bledsoe so much better than McNabb ?:confused:
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What took you so long? I knew there was a stats guy here ...somewhere.:cool:
 
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There are always several factors to consider so ranking players is always subjective. But to say TO is not one of the top 5 WR's in the league is going to be a tough sell.
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Over the course of his career, Owens has dropped a LOT of passes and has disappeared in games unlike the guys I listed ahead of him.

I don't see him as a deep threat but only a guy who can take a short pass and break it into a long run. To me he is more of a glorified RB than a true WR. He is probably the best in the game after the catch but IMO he doesn't really rate with the best WRs when it comes to route running and catching the ball.

Everyone has their own opinions based on what is important to them and how they view things. To me YAC is not as important in a WR as actually catching the ball but that's just me and each of the guys I listed ahead or Owens has excellent YAC, they are just more consistent in catching the ball and being where they are supposed to be on their routes.
 
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Over the course of his career, Owens has dropped a LOT of passes and has disappeared in games unlike the guys I listed ahead of him.

I don't see him as a deep threat but only a guy who can take a short pass and break it into a long run. To me he is more of a glorified RB than a true WR. He is probably the best in the game after the catch but IMO he doesn't really rate with the best WRs when it comes to route running and catching the ball.

Everyone has their own opinions based on what is important to them and how they view things. To me YAC is not as important in a WR as actually catching the ball but that's just me and each of the guys I listed ahead or Owens has excellent YAC, they are just more consistent in catching the ball and being where they are supposed to be on their routes.
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You mean like Jerry Rice?
Its the offense not the players.

T.O. can drop a pass on you but so do all WRs. He goes deep with plenty of success when thats the play call. He's very tough to defend period. He might not be top 5 if you factor in attitude but skillwise he is top 3 and in dificulty to cover he's right there with Moss who is no where near as physical or runs nearly the same inside routes.
 
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You mean like Jerry Rice?
Its the offense not the players.

T.O. can drop a pass on you but so do all WRs. He goes deep with plenty of success when thats the play call. He's very tough to defend period. He might not be top 5 if you factor in attitude but skillwise he is top 3 and in dificulty to cover he's right there with Moss who is no where near as physical or runs nearly the same inside routes.
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Yes, all receivers do drop passes but not all at the rate that Owens does.

A case in point is that last year in 7 games he had 5 dropped passes. Terry Glenn also dropped 5 passes but that was over 16 games.

http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/league/passesdropped.html

I no longer have access to the stats from previous years but every year I compare players and Owens has been routinely near the top in number and percentage of dropped passes.

He simply drops more passes than the other top WRs which drops him in my ratings.

As for Rice, this will come a shock to some here but I don't consider him the best WR ever to play. Paul Warfield is the best WR I ever saw but he didn't play as long or have as many passes thrown to him as Rice. If he had it would be no contest, he would blow Rice's numbers out of the water.

That is not to say that Rice isn't a great player, one of the greatest of all-time, but I don't rank him as the best WR ever.
 

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Owens was at the top of the list for dropped ball percentage this past year.
 

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Yes, all receivers do drop passes but not all at the rate that Owens does.

A case in point is that last year in 7 games he had 5 dropped passes. Terry Glenn also dropped 5 passes but that was over 16 games.

http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/league/passesdropped.html

I no longer have access to the stats from previous years but every year I compare players and Owens has been routinely near the top in number and percentage of dropped passes.

He simply drops more passes than the other top WRs which drops him in my ratings.

As for Rice, this will come a shock to some here but I don't consider him the best WR ever to play. Paul Warfield is the best WR I ever saw but he didn't play as long or have as many passes thrown to him as Rice. If he had it would be no contest, he would blow Rice's numbers out of the water.

That is not to say that Rice isn't a great player, one of the greatest of all-time, but I don't rank him as the best WR ever.
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Of course, last season Owens was dealing with a gimpy QB and still was on pace to catch 107 passes (47 through 7 games). I'll take 11 drops and 107 catches over 5 drops and 62 catches any day :) Owens also finds himself in more difficult positions than most receivers with double and sometimes triple coverage on plays.
 
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