Best arm and best receiver hooking up will be sweet :)

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All this proves is that Owens gets to more balls that are borderline catchable than Witten.
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Actually, it proves that Owens drops his fair share. Don't kid yourself - he does. He's still a great player, but that's a flaw in his game. Might have something to do with him looking upfield too soon for YAC.
 
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Yes, all receivers do drop passes but not all at the rate that Owens does.

A case in point is that last year in 7 games he had 5 dropped passes. Terry Glenn also dropped 5 passes but that was over 16 games.

http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/league/passesdropped.html

I no longer have access to the stats from previous years but every year I compare players and Owens has been routinely near the top in number and percentage of dropped passes.

He simply drops more passes than the other top WRs which drops him in my ratings.

As for Rice, this will come a shock to some here but I don't consider him the best WR ever to play. Paul Warfield is the best WR I ever saw but he didn't play as long or have as many passes thrown to him as Rice. If he had it would be no contest, he would blow Rice's numbers out of the water.

That is not to say that Rice isn't a great player, one of the greatest of all-time, but I don't rank him as the best WR ever.
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Didn't Paul leave (with Jim Kick and Merc Morris) for the World leauge or something like that ? he was a GREAT reciever on a running team at the time (Czonka, Jim Kick and Mercury Morris). Plus Bob Greise didn't have the strongest of arms.

Can you imagine Paul Warfield playing in San Diego during the 70's.
 
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Didn't Paul leave (with Jim Kick and Merc Morris) for the World leauge or something like that ? he was a GREAT reciever on a running team at the time (Czonka, Jim Kick and Mercury Morris). Plus Bob Greise didn't have the strongest of arms.

Can you imagine Paul Warfield playing in San Diego during the 70's.
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Warfield was in his prime when he was with the Browns prior to his stint with the Dolphins. His average yards per catch and TD % are incredible! He was the ultimate big play WR and was consistently at the top for several years.

Compare his numbers with Rice's:

PW - Avg per catch = 20.1, TD% = 19.9
JR - AVG per catch = 14.8, TD% = 12.7

In other words if you extrapolated Warfield's averages by Rices receptions he would have had: 31135 yards and 308 TDs (Rice had 22895 yards & 197 TDs on 1549 receptions).

I realize that it doesn't work that way but it is still amazing to think about it.
 
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superpunk said:
Actually, it proves that Owens drops his fair share. Don't kid yourself - he does. He's still a great player, but that's a flaw in his game. Might have something to do with him looking upfield too soon for YAC.
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That's exactly what it is IMO.
 
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Yes, all receivers do drop passes but not all at the rate that Owens does.

A case in point is that last year in 7 games he had 5 dropped passes. Terry Glenn also dropped 5 passes but that was over 16 games.

http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/league/passesdropped.html

I no longer have access to the stats from previous years but every year I compare players and Owens has been routinely near the top in number and percentage of dropped passes.

He simply drops more passes than the other top WRs which drops him in my ratings.

As for Rice, this will come a shock to some here but I don't consider him the best WR ever to play. Paul Warfield is the best WR I ever saw but he didn't play as long or have as many passes thrown to him as Rice. If he had it would be no contest, he would blow Rice's numbers out of the water.

That is not to say that Rice isn't a great player, one of the greatest of all-time, but I don't rank him as the best WR ever.
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A lot of things cause drops. Bad hands, catching passes in traffic, QB accuracy. I know TO gets more looks in traffic than most other WR's. He still drops more than his share.
 

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superpunk said:
Might have something to do with him looking upfield too soon for YAC.
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But considering he usually gets his share of touchdowns when he does turn upfield and steam rolls the defenses, we'll forgive him :)
 

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and with 10-14 seconds to throw the football
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He did that on every play for his entire career?

Huh.

Pretty cool.

Didn't realize he got that much time to throw since his rookie year until now on every play.
 
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50.8% completion rate
3507 yards
13 TD's
16 INT's
63.7 rating

That's his best season?
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A whole season with a td/int ratio and completion percentage like that ?

Henson got yanked within 1/2 game with stats like that.
 

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A whole season with a td/int ratio and completion percentage like that ?

Henson got yanked within 1/2 game with stats like that.
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Per nfl.com.
 

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I'd say this is overstated but the point itself is not lost on me.

Bledsoe is a strong-armed., accurate guy and it will be interesting to see how he fares with T.O who has never had a QB with near that type of arm strength and accuracy combined.

Who I think T.O. helps the most is the O.L.

How many times did teams blitz and watch T.O. do crazy end zone routines the past few years?
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TO will help the offensive line and this is what most people are overlooking the most. TO is a 'gamebreaker' for a reason, and he is the type of player that demands attention and can offset otherwise 'shaky' oline play.

It's no secret that defensive coordinators have relied on bullrushing Bledsoe up the middle over the years due to his 'statuesque' play in the pocket. We saw this against better defensive teams like Seattle and Washington last year. But now with a guy like TO, Bledsoe will be able to unload the ball in the hot route when the blitz is coming and TO is dangerous enough to take a 5 yard slant and turn it into a 70 yard TD.

Also look at the Panthers game, they have one of the best front sevens (if not the best) in the NFL and we made them pay for overcommiting in the running game when JJ had his annual big game for 200 yards against them.

Defensive coordinators will definitely have to rethink their gameplan against Bledsoe in 2006, because he now has more than enough weapons to make them pay!

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Vintage said:
Owens was at the top of the list for dropped ball percentage this past year.
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This is because he didn't have a QB named Drew Bledsoe throwing the ball to him in 2005.

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dbair1967 said:
yeah me too...I like Bledsoe, I was pretty pleased with how he played last yr (especially when compared to the clowns we've had at QB since Aikman retired)

strongest AND most accurate arm clearly would be Carson Palmer right now IMO, and isnt isnt close IMO either

Bledsoe is probably in the mix when you factor in strongest AND most accurate (not one or the other but combined) but he isnt close to Palmer

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I totally agree.

One things for certain though.. Bledsoe is far more accurate than McFlabb though.
 
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