Best chance in years to grab a top RB

[Bullflop]

There's a good chance that Ramsey will be gone by #4, it'll come down to how much you value Bosa. If we're taking a BPA approach, and it comes down to Elliott vs. Bosa, there's no doubt that Elliott is the better player.

You're surely not the only one to feel that way but Jerry has oftentimes sounded inclined to go for need if you believe some of his previous statements. Many question if Bosa will be able to produce in pro ball as he did in college but he's reputed to be an extremely determined and tireless competitor. It's entirely possible that a better pass rusher could be found later, though.

Personally, I'd like to see us get one of the "big three" QBs one way or another. Ramsey or Elliott would also be preferable to me as well. It's extremely difficult to say what might develop if Jerry gets his way, however.

 

[fredp22]

curious why people feel Ramsey or Bosa are fine with a 4th pick but not Zeke. but at 10 its totally acceptable.
Last 3 db's we picked early (Claiborne, Newman, Williams) were all going to be great and each one underwhelmed. Ramseys 0 int's arent to impressive. I'm gun shy with another db.
Like them or hate them we have young DE's in Lawrence and Gregory. they were both high picks. give them a chance.
We need a rb. RBBC is a joke. To paraphrase Madden RBBC is a way of saying you dont have a back thats good enough. Zeke could be an everydown back He can block, catch, and has speed.
He fits a big hole. Murray showed what this team will do with a good back.
what the heck is the difference if we pick him 4 instead of 10. Dont we have a bigger hole at rb than the other positions?

 

[Section446]

if it came down to that, I would take Goff...but i can imagine the trade down possibilities would be enormous.

I'm with you on Goff, but if he's the guy, we cannot, under and circumstances trade down.

 

[Section446]

You're surely not the only one to feel that way but Jerry has oftentimes sounded inclined to go for need if you believe some of his previous statements. Many question if Bosa will be able to produce in pro ball as he did in college but he's reputed to be an extremely determined and tireless competitor. It's entirely possible that a better pass rusher could be found later, though.

Personally, I'd like to see us get one of the "big three" QBs one way or another. Ramsey or Elliott would also be preferable to me as well. It's extremely difficult to say what might develop if Jerry gets his way, however.

I don't doubt that Bosa will be a fine player in the league, I just don't view him as a good enough fit to warrant the #4 pick. I fully expect Jerry & Co. to pull a Houdini on draft day and do something that nobody is expecting.

 

[Section446]

curious why people feel Ramsey or Bosa are fine with a 4th pick but not Zeke. but at 10 its totally acceptable.
Last 3 db's we picked early (Claiborne, Newman, Williams) were all going to be great and each one underwhelmed. Ramseys 0 int's arent to impressive. I'm gun shy with another db.
Like them or hate them we have young DE's in Lawrence and Gregory. they were both high picks. give them a chance.
We need a rb. RBBC is a joke. To paraphrase Madden RBBC is a way of saying you dont have a back thats good enough. Zeke could be an everydown back He can block, catch, and has speed.
He fits a big hole. Murray showed what this team will do with a good back.
what the heck is the difference if we pick him 4 instead of 10. Dont we have a bigger hole at rb than the other positions?

People don't take Elliott serious due to this new myth that the running game is no longer relevant in the NFL. We do indeed have a huge hole at RB, but that's not why you pick him at #4, you pick him because he'll likely be the best player available (assuming Goff and Wentz are gone).

 

[Bullflop]

People don't take Elliott serious due to this new myth that the running game is no longer relevant in the NFL. We do indeed have a huge hole at RB, but that's not why you pick him at #4, you pick him because he'll likely be the best player available (assuming Goff and Wentz are gone).

I wouldn't argue with that at all. It's also quite possible that both Wentz and Goff have been hyped somewhat excessively due to the absence of truly elite-caliber QB availability.

 

[Section446]

I wouldn't argue with that at all. It's also quite possible that both Wentz and Goff have been hyped somewhat excessively due to the absence of truly elite-caliber QB availability.

To an extent, though, I believe that Wentz has a ceiling every bit as high as any "elite" prospect in years past, which is probably why the Rams traded what they did to obtain him.

 

[boysfanindc]

curious why people feel Ramsey or Bosa are fine with a 4th pick but not Zeke. but at 10 its totally acceptable.
Last 3 db's we picked early (Claiborne, Newman, Williams) were all going to be great and each one underwhelmed. Ramseys 0 int's arent to impressive. I'm gun shy with another db.
Like them or hate them we have young DE's in Lawrence and Gregory. they were both high picks. give them a chance.
We need a rb. RBBC is a joke. To paraphrase Madden RBBC is a way of saying you dont have a back thats good enough. Zeke could be an everydown back He can block, catch, and has speed.
He fits a big hole. Murray showed what this team will do with a good back.
what the heck is the difference if we pick him 4 instead of 10. Dont we have a bigger hole at rb than the other positions?

It is three fold for me:

Ramsey & Bosa @ 4 would be taking players where they are ranked BPA at positions of need, if the Boys board matches up with the consensus.

RB's shelf life is 4 or 5 years less then those other positions, meaning your high investment pays off longer.

Very good RB's are easier to find later then those other 2 positions.

 

[USMarineVet]

Here's my knock on taking a RB at #4 this year... Reggie Bush...

Reggie Bush was touted as being a once in a generation talent when he was selected with the 2nd pick of the 2006 Draft by the N.O. Saints. Although he was a decent back, he by no means ever lived up to those glamorous expectations. Granted, the Saints didn't have the OL that the Cowboys do today, but if the Saints could do it all over, would they?

I'll let the stats speak for themselves. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BushRe00.htm

I understand that you can't compare Reggie Bush with a player who has never played a snap in today's NFL, but I feel that we're better served by taking a different skill position (QB, CB, DE) with the 4th. A 2nd or 3rd round talent RB will look like a #1 behind our line. In a trade back scenerio, if he's the best available, I say go for it. But not at 4. 4 should be spent on a player we have on our roster for a decade.

 

[Bullflop]

To an extent, though, I believe that Wentz has a ceiling every bit as high as any "elite" prospect in years past, which is probably why the Rams traded what they did to obtain him.

He appears to have most of the qualities that is required to succeed but I think his small school background may bug him until he has convincingly shown he truly belongs with the big boys.

I'm certain the Rams are all too aware of the fact that they need to get off to a quick start in LA to attract the passions of the local fans. They're surely pulling out all the stops to do just that.

 

[lostar2009]

Every year one of these can't miss RB come out. Also to be honest half these guys are a bust. I currently like our RB rotation Morris and Mcfadden. I don't see Zeke getting the playing time this year. Burning a 4th on a RB is a waste with our line up and is too rich.

 

[gmoney112]

Here's my knock on taking a RB at #4 this year... Reggie Bush...

Reggie Bush was touted as being a once in a generation talent when he was selected with the 2nd pick of the 2006 Draft by the N.O. Saints. Although he was a decent back, he by no means ever lived up to those glamorous expectations. Granted, the Saints didn't have the OL that the Cowboys do today, but if the Saints could do it all over, would they?

I'll let the stats speak for themselves. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BushRe00.htm

I understand that you can't compare Reggie Bush with a player who has never played a snap in today's NFL, but I feel that we're better served by taking a different skill position (QB, CB, DE) with the 4th. A 2nd or 3rd round talent RB will look like a #1 behind our line. In a trade back scenerio, if he's the best available, I say go for it. But not at 4. 4 should be spent on a player we have on our roster for a decade.

Pretty much. With the parity in the NFL, you need to hit on your first rounders, and they need to be 3 contract type guys. RB's simply don't have a very long shelf life anymore.

 

[Bullflop]

Every year one of these can't miss RB come out. Also to be honest half these guys are a bust. I currently like our RB rotation Morris and Mcfadden. I don't see Zeke getting the playing time this year. Burning a 4th on a RB is a waste with our line up and is too rich.

That theory could easily go up in flames if McFadden and Dunbar get injured as their history suggests. I can't help but have my doubts Alfred Morris can be considered a sure thing either.

Ezekiel Elliott is the most capable RB in the current crop of RB candidates until proven otherwise. His presence in the Dallas lineup could assure us of a dependable ball control offense.

It's entirely possible that Zeke won't be taken by the Cowboys with the 4th pick, however, in consideration of the fact that defensive priorities appear to be our main focal point this year.

 

[Hardline]

Will the Cowboys take Elliot?
Probably not.

Should they?
Absolutely. He is the second best player in this year's draft.

I told you all last year how great Gurley was gonn a be and hardly no one listened to me.
Elliott can and will be an instant impact superstar running back.
You all can devalue the Running back position all you want. I would build my offensive system off the running game.

 

[boysfanindc]

Will the Cowboys take Elliot?
Probably not.

Should they?
Absolutely. He is the second best player in this year's draft.

I told you all last year how great Gurley was gonn a be and hardly no one listened to me.
Elliott can and will be an instant impact superstar running back.
You all can devalue the Running back position all you want. I would build my offensive system off the running game.

Yes but Gurley was taken 10th and there are not many that have Zeke ranked #2 in the draft.

 

[Texas_Pete]

Teams with a mediocre OL tend to devalue RBs. Our team has a great OL. Historically, all great Cowboys teams featured a stout running game.

In 2014 we went back to our roots. If not for a blown call (it WAS a catch), we are likely in the SB.

Red is trying to reincarnate the old 1990's Cowboy way. In order to give us offensive synergy, we need to feature our RB, unlike most teams.

 

[Texas_Pete]

Will the Cowboys take Elliot?
Probably not.

Should they?
Absolutely. He is the second best player in this year's draft.

I told you all last year how great Gurley was gonn a be and hardly no one listened to me.
Elliott can and will be an instant impact superstar running back.
You all can devalue the Running back position all you want. I would build my offensive system off the running game.

I'd be willing to bet Zeke out plays Gurley this year if we draft him. Our OL, QB, and weapons >>> the Rams. Zeke has better hands and is better at pass protection than Gurley is.

Not drafting Zeke would be like not learning from our Randy Moss colossal gaff.

 

[boysfanindc]

I'd be willing to bet Zeke out plays Gurley this year if we draft him. Our OL, QB, and weapons >>> the Rams. Zeke has better hands and is better at pass protection than Gurley is.

Not drafting Zeke would be like not learning from our Randy Moss colossal gaff.

I don't see how they are the same, not taking Moss was not taking BPA at our pick because of character concerns. Not taking Zeke @ 4 and selecting BPA is totally different, the opposite in fact.

 

[Texas_Pete]

I don't see how they are the same, not taking Moss was not taking BPA at our pick because of character concerns. Not taking Zeke @ 4 and selecting BPA is totally different, the opposite in fact.

For the way this team is built, Zeke is the most impactful player on the board from game 1 on. He can run, block and catch equally well right now. His skillsets compliment our dominant OL.

He may not be other teams' BPA (because their OL is not that good), but he is the BPA for us now and in the future.

He'd give us no less than 1,500 yards, 10 TDs and be able to protect Romo out the gate - even as a rook. What other players can impact us better than that? That's why in my eyes, he's the BPA.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

curious why people feel Ramsey or Bosa are fine with a 4th pick but not Zeke. but at 10 its totally acceptable.
Last 3 db's we picked early (Claiborne, Newman, Williams) were all going to be great and each one underwhelmed. Ramseys 0 int's arent to impressive. I'm gun shy with another db.
Like them or hate them we have young DE's in Lawrence and Gregory. they were both high picks. give them a chance.
We need a rb. RBBC is a joke. To paraphrase Madden RBBC is a way of saying you dont have a back thats good enough. Zeke could be an everydown back He can block, catch, and has speed.
He fits a big hole. Murray showed what this team will do with a good back.
what the heck is the difference if we pick him 4 instead of 10. Dont we have a bigger hole at rb than the other positions?

For the record, Madden said that about QBs, not RBs. When Madden Coached, it was not uncommon at all to have multiple backs on the roster who could start. The running game was much more critical to an offense then and so you had to have talent at RB.