Best defenses of all time

[KJJ]

Really? Sweetness is generally considere, by anybody who is not a Cowboy fan, to be amoung the two or three greatest RBs of all time. McMahon was more then just an average QB. I will give you Gault but that still leaves that OL. Hilgenberg was a 7 time Pro Bowler and a 2 time All Pro. Covert was a 2 time Pro Bowler and a 2 time All Pro. The rest of that OL were no slouches either. That offense was a lot better then you give it credit for.

As to the Rams or the Vikings or the Cowboys or the Packers or the Chiefs or the Eagles or Denver's Orange Crush or the Giants or some of those Oakland Defenses either. That doesn't mean they weren't great. That just means that they all came before the NFL exploded and became a media overload.

You must have misread my post I just said Payton was their only great offensive player. He's clearly one of the greatest players in NFL history. Payton was virtually the 85 Bears entire offense leading the team in rushing and receiving. The Bears had a couple of solid players on the OL but other than Payton they had very little at QB and WR.

That 85 Bears team was all about their great defense which is why they're rated so high as a team. No one is saying the Rams, Vikings and the other teams you mentioned didn't have great defenses but this topic is about who had the greatest defense and none of those teams defenses are in the top 5.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Our discussion got started with you disagreeing with my opinion that the Bears front 7 was the most dominate in NFL history. You claimed that honor goes to the Vikings Purple Gang and the Rams Fearsome Foursome but the facts are they were known for their "front four" not their front 7. Who cares if the sites I listed were blogs or non sports sites the facts are the 85 Bears are rated by everyone as one of the top 5 greatest teams in NFL history do a google if you think I'm wrong. Most have them in the top 2 or 3 greatest teams.

The only "great" offensive player the 85 Bears had was Payton. McMahon was an average QB while Willie Gault never caught more than 42 passes for 818 yards as a Bear. Below is another site that has the 85 Bears as the greatest team in the SB era. Again I don't agree they're the greatest team but these polls prove how highly regarded the 85 Bears were.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-nfl-teams-of-all-time-super-bowl-era/page/26

Doesn't really matter if it's the front 4 or 7.

Statistically, the Bears were not better. The rest, we pretty much don't agree on. All the more reason to look at what the Defenses were actually able to do.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You must have misread my post I just said Payton was their only great offensive player. He's clearly one of the greatest players in NFL history. Payton was virtually the 85 Bears entire offense leading the team in rushing and receiving. The Bears had a couple of solid players on the OL but other than Payton they had very little at QB and WR.

That 85 Bears team was all about their great defense which is why they're rated so high as a team. No one is saying the Rams, Vikings and the other teams you mentioned didn't have great defenses but this topic is about who had the greatest defense and none of those teams defenses are in the top 5.

No, I didn't miss your post and you statement was wrong. Payton was not the only great offensive player the Bears had. You don't agree with that but it's true.

 

[KJJ]

Doesn't really matter if it's the front 4 or 7.

Statistically, the Bears were not better. The rest, we pretty much don't agree on. All the more reason to look at what the Defenses were actually able to do.

That's your opinion the stats don't have the Vikings Purple Gang or Rams Fearsome Foursome in the the conversation as the greatest "defenses" in NFL history. Those defenses had the greatest DL's ever most will agree with that but that's where the discussion ends. What the 85 Bears, 2000 Ravens, 02 Bucs and 2013 Seahawks were actually able to do is win a championship in dominating fashion with their defense.

 

[KJJ]

No, I didn't miss your post and you statement was wrong. Payton was not the only great offensive player the Bears had. You don't agree with that but it's true.

I gave my opinion and if you don't agree that's fine. If you think Jim McMahon and several others on that 85 Bears offense were "great" players that's your opinion. Your definition of "great" obviously differs from mine. Walter Payton was truly a great player and made the biggest impact on the Bears offense from the time he arrived in Chicago. The player who made the second biggest impact on the 85 Bears offense was The Fridge who didn't even play offense.