Best opportunity to find franchise QB

DuncanIso

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He will be gone after the 2024 season. And his contract is the only reason for why he'll still be playing for the Cowboys in 2024. Unless Jerry makes a bold move to cut his losses money wise and to get rid of Dak before the 2024 season.
Cheaper to just cut him in March and use the June 1 designation.

Trading Dak doesn't benefit the team. It helps Dak. He would keep the base.

He's due a $5 Million roster bonus in March. So it will happen soon.


POST-6/1 RELEASE
2024 Dead Cap: $25,455,000 <==== This!!!!
2025 Dead Cap: $36,460,000
2024 Cap Savings: $34,000,000 [29million base + 5 Million roster bonus]
 

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We have a very good opportunity to find a franchise QB. Will we do it? Probably not.

What we should do:

Release Dak. Take advantage of a strong QB class and draft the best of who’s remaining (likely one of Bo Nix, Michael Penix, JJ McCarthy will still be available when we pick).

We’d go into the season with Trey Lance and a high-potential rookie competing for the starting job. Trey Lance would have his opportunity to prove why he was drafted #3 overall.

If we have a terrible season, we’d go into 2025 with a top pick where we could potentially draft the best QB in the next class.

This doesn’t guarantee we’d get the next Stroud/Love/Mahomes, but it would give us 2-3 high-potential QB prospects to find the best one to build around.

What’s the alternative? If we keep Dak, we likely don’t draft a Bo Nix and we likely don’t give Trey Lance a shot to prove himself. If Dak fails again, we won’t have a good pick. We wouldn’t find any cheap vets better than Dak (best we could get is a Carson Wentz).
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Watching the rams and lions it was crazy to me to see the arm talent discrepancy. Goff and especially stafford just throw super catchable Lasers from crazy arm angles. Super talented guys.

Stafford can get it to his receivers hands quickly and in their immediate catch radius. Dak just throws a pile of bricks at his guys and hope they make the play. He gets pollard and Ferguson killed with these high ones over the middle.


I think the problem is the arc. Daks throws are just always high. They don’t have that natural profession a good pass has. They reach their highest point halfway between the receiver and the thrower.

Daks passing are still going up as the receiver is making the catch so they have to fight it
 

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Dak will be traded before he's released. Still, I don't think either will happen. Although, a change in scenery might be best for Dak and the Cowboys.
His contract is iron-clad. No trade clause. Why the Joneses agreed to that is a mystery. Time to part ways.
 

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Oh, I agree 100%........no excuses for either. For Dak, we have the same movie 3 times in the playoff.......but with a $59M cap hit hanging over your head, what do you do?
You bite the bullet and end it. You don't keep it around to fester. You rebuild because what you have isn't going to get it done, even if you go get a FA or two. This team isn't close. This is a very average team that had a favorable schedule to get to 12-5. Keeping this crap around is again just signing up for more mediocrity and the only thing mediocrity is going to get you is the ability to maybe make it into the playoffs and get bounced in the first round and a late first round draft pick. If that is the goal then keep on doing this but please, give the "we want to win a SB title" crap a rest because the actions are far away from what your goals are.
 

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I don't think many fans understand the pickle Jerry has put this team in with that last contract with Dak. Dak has a no trade, no franchise tag clause. Jerry restructured Dak and has over $30 million in pro-rated bonus in voided year, and Dallas has a $60 million CAP number in 2024. If the cut Dak his CAP number goes to $62 million. If they designate a June 1 cut then they save $32 million this year, but have to eat another $30 million in dead money next year. Even if he agreed to a trade, his prorated bonus money still hits the CAP and it would mean a $2 million CAP hit this year and $62 million in dead money.

Jerry really went all in on Dak and it has put him in a bind. Of course he can decide to bite the bullet, cut Dak now and take the CAP hit all in 2024. It would mean probably losing a lot of talent and maybe even trading one or two of his top players. I think it would set Dallas up for several years of losing records and that assumes they can find a franchise QB at some point soon. I don't think people realize how hard that is. Even QBs drafted in the first round, high in the first round, mostly fail. I am not against letting Dak go, better than than signing him to a $60 million deal. In fact, I think it will be necessary to move on from Dak if team ever wants to see a deep run into the playoffs. I though the same thing before Jerry signed Dak's last deal. That 2019 Eagle's game for the division title and playoffs has been in mind head the last 4 years.

What we saw yesterday was a demonstration of 2019 in two halves. Dak was a disaster against the Eagles and Dallas lost the division and a playoff chance that day. The following week, in a meaningless game, Dak had a huge game against Washington. Pressure on - pressure off. Yesterday, Dak played tight under pressure in the first half. Down 27-0, the pressure was off, the more the game got away from the Cowboys the looser Dak played. He ran up big numbers almost all of it coming after the game had already gotten out of hand. That's Dak. We can going into 2024 knowing no matter what we did in the regular season, the playoffs will end the same way. I don't believe the Cowboys will make the playoffs in 2024. I think yesterdays came will carryover until there is enough churn in the roster and coaching staff to forget it.

But if we want to see Dak move on we have to accept 2 or 3 years, maybe more, of losing. And remember, Jerry is not going to refill his roster with quality free agents so purging the roster means depending on the draft to find enough talent to to be competitive again.

I don't think Jerry will do anything like a rebuild. I think he will double down on what he has with a few changes here and there. Jerry knows his time is limited and he does not have time for a rebuild of overhaul of the roster. The times to move on from Dak was after his rookie deal.
 

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It's time to move on from Dak. With dak you'll get wash, rinse, repeat! Roll with Lance and draft a QB in the first and let them both compete.
 

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Then we’re wasting a great opportunity. The QB 2024 draft class is gonna give a few teams a bright future. And we’ll be kicking ourselves again watching guys like Stroud and Love advance in the playoffs.
Dak IS NOT being released but I do agree with drafting a QB this spring. Best QB draft class in a long time. Find one you like and go get him. 2nd or 3rd rnd.
 

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But if we stay the same at QB and stay the same at HC then we will remain stuck in this middle ground we've been in for close to 30 years now with no clear alternatives for future improvement.
We'll probably lose ground, because the Packers are going to zoom past us.
 

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Lost in the sheer disgust in the Dallas crapshow is how impressive Jordan Love looks. The dude looks like a young Aaron Rodgers... It's just sickening how GB somehow continues to pull this off at the QB position.
Green Bay has always had at least an above average quarterback. Starting in the 1930s. Just a few gaps here and there. That's why they're alongside us at the top of the all-time NFL standings.
 

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Cheaper to just cut him in March and use the June 1 designation.

Trading Dak doesn't benefit the team. It helps Dak. He would keep the base.

He's due a $5 Million roster bonus in March. So it will happen soon.


POST-6/1 RELEASE
2024 Dead Cap: $25,455,000 <==== This!!!!
2025 Dead Cap: $36,460,000
2024 Cap Savings: $34,000,000 [29million base + 5 Million roster bonus]
This is the way. And you roll with Trey Lance for next year on the cheap. If he stinks, so be it.
 

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Dak is not being released. It's ludicrous to even think that is remotely plausible.
He's won't be. That doesn't mean that he shouldn't be. It's time to move on from him. Sadly Jerry won't have the guts and intelligence to do it.
 

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We have a very good opportunity to find a franchise QB. Will we do it? Probably not.

What we should do:

Release Dak. Take advantage of a strong QB class and draft the best of who’s remaining (likely one of Bo Nix, Michael Penix, JJ McCarthy will still be available when we pick).

We’d go into the season with Trey Lance and a high-potential rookie competing for the starting job. Trey Lance would have his opportunity to prove why he was drafted #3 overall.

If we have a terrible season, we’d go into 2025 with a top pick where we could potentially draft the best QB in the next class.

This doesn’t guarantee we’d get the next Stroud/Love/Mahomes, but it would give us 2-3 high-potential QB prospects to find the best one to build around.

What’s the alternative? If we keep Dak, we likely don’t draft a Bo Nix and we likely don’t give Trey Lance a shot to prove himself. If Dak fails again, we won’t have a good pick. We wouldn’t find any cheap vets better than Dak (best we could get is a Carson Wentz).
I’m not convinced any of those QBs will be available, nor do we have any reason to think Lance will still be on the team or ready to play. If you watched just how bad QB play was around the league, along with entire seasons being lost due to a starting injury to a QB, I think there is a plethora of teams who would draft a QB in the 20’s or even move up for one, even if they have a starter.
 

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No thinks to Bo Nix or Michael Penix, Jr. (and I'm a Pac-12 guy).

Nix can't make all of the NFL throws (checkdown king) and Penix has suspect footwork and a Tebow-like delivery that lets DB's get a jump on the ball. Both are older prospects too. Someone will draft them in the first round (maybe not Nix) and that team's new GM will be looking for a new QB in two years.

McCarthy is intriguing but I can't get a great read on him. Sometimes I get a Daniel Jones vibe from him.

This team is experiencing the "Jerry West conundrum." They are not good enough to compete for championships and not horrible enough to draft sure-thing, impact players.

The thing that can be fixed is coaching, but we have egotistical, sensitive owners who only want coaches they are "comfortable with."

They appear to be comfortable with coming up short for close to three decades.
 

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If Jerry was the gambler he always tries to claim to be he would get out from under this Dak situation and draft Bo Nix.

I'd rather eat $30 million for two seasons than sign up for another 5 seasons of paying Dak $50 million a year.
 

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SF will make things tougher for sure. But look at his skillset and his stats the 2nd half of the season. Something like 18 TDs to 1 INT.
You're a little making my point. Stats are nice, but Dak's stats were nice too. Pack lost to the Giants - just saying. Most of the passes he completed last night were easy throws for the average junior high QB. Not saying he doesn't have "it". but last night was no measure to judge by. Our secondary thought the game was at the old Texas Stadium it seemed.
 

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Or Green Bay, two times (Favre to Aaron, Aaron to Love).

Or SF (Garappalo to Purdy)

The good ones know when to cut ties and do it fast.

It's sort of paradoxical -- some of you fans have morphed into the owner's mindset. "Oh, we can cut Dak..." Yes you can. You can also trade the likes of Micah and Lamb for good draft capital. Does that mean you're punting 2024? Well, yeah! But you've already hit your ceiling with this crew, so why not 1988-89 this for 1992-95?
Exactly, it’s a sunk cost. You aren’t recuperating the investment. And consisting how fast you can turn a franchise around in this era, you got yo do it. The Texans were a disaster and CJ Stroud is that guy and the excitement he has generated over night is it…
 
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