Best running QB for the Cowboys?

[the kid 05]

Hutchinson?

hutch didn't start 30 games. Steve Pelleur was the last starter before Troy came here so thats my guess after that im sol lol

 

[EveryoneElse]

hutch didn't start 30 games. Steve Pelleur was the last starter before Troy came here so thats my guess after that im sol lol

I didn't see the 30 game comment.

SP is a good guess in that case.

 

[the kid 05]

I didn't see the 30 game comment.

SP is a good guess in that case.

either Steve Pelleur or (clint) Stoner (hush i know i spelled it wrong)

 

[THUMPER]

Steve Pelleur!!!

That's the guy!

In 1988 he was the starter and threw for 3139 yards as well as running for 314. A pretty good season on a pretty bad team. Pelluer had some skills but he had a nasty tendency to throw INTs at the worst possible times.

Most of us try to forget that 1988 season.

OK, I'm off to bed now. Thanks for playing folks.

 

[the kid 05]

That's the guy!

In 1988 he was the starter and threw for 3139 yards as well as running for 314. A pretty good season on a pretty bad team. Pelluer had some skills but he had a nasty tendency to throw INTs at the worst possible times.

Most of us try to forget that 1988 season.

OK, I'm off to bed now. Thanks for playing folks.

same time tomorrow? g'nite pops

 

[Nav22]

Nice thread. I hope to see more of these type, especially during the long offseason...

 

[Hostile]

Here are some single-season rushing stats for a number of Cowboys QBs, see if you can guess who they are (without looking them up online). I think you will be surprised...

--Att-Yards-Avg-TDs
1. 41 - 343 - 8.4 - 2
2. 51 - 314 - 6.2 - 2
3. 38 - 302 - 7.9 - 0
4. 68 - 257 - 3.8 - 2
5. 38 - 242 - 6.4 - 5
6. 31 - 129 - 4.2 - 2

These were the best rushing years for each QB, so who were these guys?

I can guess the top 3, but not in order. Roger Staubach, Steve Pelluer, and Troy Aikman are the only QBs we've ever had who rushed for over 300 yards in any season. I would guess Aikman at #3, because he did it in 1989, his rookie year in 11 games. I remember he barely got over the 300 yard mark.

Staubach did it 3 times, I think.

Pelluer did it Landry's last year in the NFL, 1988.

On the other three I would have to guess Tony Romo is one of them, for 2007, but I have no idea which. Danny White is probably one of them, again no idea which, but he played 16 game seasons and was fairly mobile. Quincy Carter is probably one of them for 2003, not 2001 because he got hurt in 2001. I always thought he was too tentative as a runner.

That's my best guess. Now let me read the thread.

 

[THUMPER]

Nice thread. I hope to see more of these type, especially during the long offseason...

Thanks, you guys did well. I don't think I would have ever guessed Pelluer in a million years, or even Quincy Carter for that matter. That's part of why I did it, it was surprising to me to see them with those kinds of numbers.

Staubach was our only real "running" QB, a guy who both scrambled to buy time and ran for yardage. He put up good numbers throughout his career but was less effective after 1975. He still ran as often but not for as much yardage, which is a sign that he was doing it more out of scrambling than on planned running plays. This is just one more reason why he is my #3 all-time QB (behind Otto Graham and Johnny Unitas).

Romo is more of a scrambler who is looking to buy time for someone to get open but I'd like to see him run the ball more often, especially when there is an open lane for good yardage. That would result in fewer fumbles and INTs as well.

Aikman ran well his rookie year but after his 5th season he became more of a pure pocket passer. He could do that with our O-Line which made him one of the least sacked QBs in the league form most of his career.

In the middle of his career Meredith ran more on bootlegs and when things broke down. Later his knees bothered him and he didn't run as much. He was as tough a QB as I've ever seen.

Guys like Craig Morton, Deadslow, and Vinny Greenballs were pocket passers with little mobility. Danny white was pretty mobile but didn't run much, he would scramble to buy time but was unlikely to run the ball.

I would have expected Quincy Carter to be a better runner than he was but he sucked at it. He had skinny legs and poor footwork.

Anyway, if I think of any other trivia games like this I'll post them. The offseason is a dead time of year and I'm always looking for something to relieve the boredom.

:starspin :starspin :starspin :starspin :starspin

 

[THUMPER]

Here's the completed list:

--Att-Yards-Avg-TDs
1. 41 - 343 - 8.4 - 2 - Roger Staubach 1971
2. 51 - 314 - 6.2 - 2 - Steve Pelluer - 1988
3. 38 - 302 - 7.9 - 0 - Troy Aikman - 1989
4. 68 - 257 - 3.8 - 2 - Quincy Carter - 2003
5. 38 - 242 - 6.4 - 5 - Don Meredith - 1966
6. 31 - 129 - 4.2 - 2 - Tony Romo - 2007

Interesting that we had back-to-back 300+ in 1988 & '89 with two different QBs. Evidently the same O-Line was in place. :laugh2:

 

[THUMPER]

I can guess the top 3, but not in order. Roger Staubach, Steve Pelluer, and Troy Aikman are the only QBs we've ever had who rushed for over 300 yards in any season. I would guess Aikman at #3, because he did it in 1989, his rookie year in 11 games. I remember he barely got over the 300 yard mark.

Staubach did it 3 times, I think.

Pelluer did it Landry's last year in the NFL, 1988.

On the other three I would have to guess Tony Romo is one of them, for 2007, but I have no idea which. Danny White is probably one of them, again no idea which, but he played 16 game seasons and was fairly mobile. Quincy Carter is probably one of them for 2003, not 2001 because he got hurt in 2001. I always thought he was too tentative as a runner.

That's my best guess. Now let me read the thread.

I figured you would get most of them Hos but you must have gone to bed early last night and missed all the fun. I didn't hit the sack until after 2:30 myself. Stayed up late partying hard on the Zone!

 

[Hostile]

Don Meredith over Danny White shocks me. Don played 14 game seasons, Danny played 16 games seasons. I always considered Danny as a great athlete. Walt Garrison said of Don Meredith's legs that he should sue them for non support.

Learned a lot in this thread.

Oh, and the ONLY reason I knew about 3 QBs going over 300 yards rushing was because I was curious when Vick got over 1000. I was betting myself that Roger had nearly 500 one year. Wrong again.

 

[Chuck 54]

Here are some single-season rushing stats for a number of Cowboys QBs, see if you can guess who they are (without looking them up online). I think you will be surprised...

--Att-Yards-Avg-TDs
1. 41 - 343 - 8.4 - 2
2. 51 - 314 - 6.2 - 2
3. 38 - 302 - 7.9 - 0
4. 68 - 257 - 3.8 - 2
5. 38 - 242 - 6.4 - 5
6. 31 - 129 - 4.2 - 2

These were the best rushing years for each QB, so who were these guys?

My guesses would be Quincy Carter, Steve Paleur (sp), a young Troy Aikman, Roger Staubach, Gary Hogeboom, and maybe Don Meredyth. but I have no clue which would be which.

That will teach me to get involved before reading the entire thread....dang.

 

[Hostile]

I figured you would get most of them Hos but you must have gone to bed early last night and missed all the fun. I didn't hit the sack until after 2:30 myself. Stayed up late partying hard on the Zone!

I didn't go to bed early. Got into a long drawn out Political discussion with a friend on the phone last night. Easily over 2 hours. I set him straight on some things.



The answers kind of threw me. I would have got the top 3 right but not in order since Roger played mostly 14 game seasons. I was trying to factor that into my logic. I think my top 3 would have been Pelluer, Roger, & Troy. Troy doing that in 11 games was remarkable. Easily the most impressive one. IMO

I think I would have guessed Danny over Meredith and Romo and Quincy if the truth be told. I am just really shocked that he's not in there.

 

[Fletch]

Here are some single-season rushing stats for a number of Cowboys QBs, see if you can guess who they are (without looking them up online). I think you will be surprised...

--Att-Yards-Avg-TDs
1. 41 - 343 - 8.4 - 2
2. 51 - 314 - 6.2 - 2
3. 38 - 302 - 7.9 - 0
4. 68 - 257 - 3.8 - 2
5. 38 - 242 - 6.4 - 5
6. 31 - 129 - 4.2 - 2

These were the best rushing years for each QB, so who were these guys?

Eddie LeBaron?

 

[THUMPER]

I didn't go to bed early. Got into a long drawn out Political discussion with a friend on the phone last night. Easily over 2 hours. I set him straight on some things.

Good for you Hos! Gotta keep those guys straight.

The answers kind of threw me. I would have got the top 3 right but not in order since Roger played mostly 14 game seasons. I was trying to factor that into my logic. I think my top 3 would have been Pelluer, Roger, & Troy. Troy doing that in 11 games was remarkable. Easily the most impressive one. IMO

Well Roger did it in a short year as well since he was splitting time with Morton for the first half of 1971.

I think I would have guessed Danny over Meredith and Romo and Quincy if the truth be told. I am just really shocked that he's not in there.

Like I said in a previous post, Danny was pretty mobile but he rarely looked to run with the ball. He was probably the lightest QB we've had since LeBaron and since he doubled as our punter, getting hurt was not in our best interest.

Danny only ran for 100+ yards in his first two seasons as the starter (114 & 104) and after that he hardly ran at all. In fact in 1983 when he started all 16 games he only ran the ball 18 times! He gained only 31 yards but he did score 4 TDs running (plus another one on a pass from Ron Springs I think).

 

[THUMPER]

Eddie LeBaron?

Nope, LeBaron didn't make the list. He ran more early in his career with the Commanders but by the time he came to Dallas he didn't run much. Even early on he never had more than 190 yards in a season and only broke 100 yards one other time.

 

[Hostile]

Good for you Hos! Gotta keep those guys straight.


Well Roger did it in a short year as well since he was splitting time with Morton for the first half of 1971.


Like I said in a previous post, Danny was pretty mobile but he rarely looked to run with the ball. He was probably the lightest QB we've had since LeBaron and since he doubled as our punter, getting hurt was not in our best interest.

Danny only ran for 100+ yards in his first two seasons as the starter (114 & 104) and after that he hardly ran at all. In fact in 1983 when he started all 16 games he only ran the ball 18 times! He gained only 31 yards but he did score 4 TDs running (plus another one on a pass from Ron Springs I think).

Danny was more dangerous as a Receiver than as a Runner.

3 receptions, 2 of them TDs.

 

[THUMPER]

Danny was more dangerous as a Receiver than as a Runner.

3 receptions, 2 of them TDs.

I remember Springs threw one of them, who threw the other? Newsome?

Ha, looked it up and it was RB James Jones. Never would have guessed him.

At least I was right about Ron Springs throwing the one in 1983.

When was the last time we ran the HB-option? Landry used to like throwing that in once in a while especially with Dan Reeves or Calvin Hill.

Keyshawn was the last one we used but he went 0-3. Well, Witten threw a pass last year but I don't remember that.

 

[jackrussell]

Well done as usual Thump.:clap2:

 

[Biggems]

you know, I dont remember the Staubach years....I was way too young. Also, I dont like Steve Young at all. I have seen film of some of his games. Plus I have read and heard accounts of Roger from many, many sources. IMO, from a leadership, athletic ability, passing and scrambling combination, and tough/hardnosed style of play, I would say they are very similar. Roger is right handed and Young is left handed.....but the two guys were bulldogs at the QB position. They were duel threads who could beat you with their arms or their legs. They owned the huddle and the respect of their peers. Both were extremely cerebral.

I know since Young was a Niner and is a Super Villian on this site, my assessment might be met with harsh words.....but IMO, they are eerily similar.


IMO, Romo could be higher on that list. He has the ability to run more. There are many times when he has huge lanes to run for about 10-15 yds before sliding, but doesnt. In his first year he would do it.....last year he was playing like Vaughn from Major League 2, being ultra conservative. I want the wild child back.....Mr. Carefree......I want the guy who improvises and excites. I think if he comes back, we may get 3,500 yds passing and 300 yds rushing. On the other hand, with the 3-headed monster behind him.....I'd rather leave the running to them. Still, on passing downs, when the D is giving him an acre to run.....he needs to run and slide.