Big Cornerbacks

[xwalker]

I have started in other threads that I think the Cowboys need to have a big developmental CB due to the increasing number of monster sized WRs in the league.

Here is a list of the 6' and over CBs that are projected to be drafted:

Height, Weight, Player, Round
6-0 200 Justin Gilbert 1
6-0 195 *Marcus Roberson 1-2
6-0 194 Kyle Fuller 2
6-1 195 Pierre Desir 2-3
6-0 190 *Louchiez Purifoy 2-3
6-3 215 Stanley Jean-Baptiste 3
6-3 214 Keith McGill 3
6-0 190 *Terrance Mitchell 3
6-0 183 Ross Cockrell 3-4
6-0 194 Jaylen Watkins 3-4
6-0 185 *Bashaud Breeland 3-4
6-1 205 Walt Aikens 4-5
6-0 220 Antone Exum Injured 5
6-0 187 Bennett Jackson 5-6
6-0 186 Aaron Colvin Injured 6-7
6-0 195 Lavelle Westbrooks 6-7
6-1 195 Phillip Gaines 7

Jean-Baptiste looks like he can play, IMO, but he'll probably get drafted too early to make sense for the Cowboys.

McGill had some issues at the Senior Bowl, but in addition to being 6-3, 214, he has long arms (33") and is projected to run a 4.4x forty. In game footage he appears to have good speed and reasonably good fluidity for a big CB. He needs work on technique/awareness.

Exum is very physical, but will have to clean up his technique to avoid interference penalties in the NFL. He missed most of the 2013 season, but is projected to be nearly fully recovered.

Colvin would be rated much higher if not for an injury sustained at the Senior Bowl practices. He is actually 5'11-3/8 with 31" arms. He could be stashed away on IR for a year.

 

[chicago JK]

I don't know if this guy is draft able because he wasn't very good in college, but I am hoping Dallas brings demetri Goodson to Dallas day. I think he would be an ideal fa pickup to have on the practice squad for a year. Goodson was the starting point guard for gozaga and is a great athlete. He only played college football for 2 years, I believe. He has good size and is a good enough athlete. No idea if he will ever be a legit nfl cb, but he is a long shot I am interested in.

 

[neosapien23]

I have started in other threads that I think the Cowboys need to have a big developmental CB due to the increasing number of monster sized WRs in the league.

Here is a list of the 6' and over CBs that are projected to be drafted:

Height, Weight, Player, Round
6-0 200 Justin Gilbert 1
6-0 195 *Marcus Roberson 1-2
6-0 194 Kyle Fuller 2
6-1 195 Pierre Desir 2-3
6-0 190 *Louchiez Purifoy 2-3
6-3 215 Stanley Jean-Baptiste 3
6-3 214 Keith McGill 3
6-0 190 *Terrance Mitchell 3
6-0 183 Ross Cockrell 3-4
6-0 194 Jaylen Watkins 3-4
6-0 185 *Bashaud Breeland 3-4
6-1 205 Walt Aikens 4-5
6-0 220 Antone Exum Injured 5
6-0 187 Bennett Jackson 5-6
6-0 186 Aaron Colvin Injured 6-7
6-0 195 Lavelle Westbrooks 6-7
6-1 195 Phillip Gaines 7

Jean-Baptiste looks like he can play, IMO, but he'll probably get drafted too early to make sense for the Cowboys.

McGill had some issues at the Senior Bowl, but in addition to being 6-3, 214, he has long arms (33") and is projected to run a 4.4x forty. In game footage he appears to have good speed and reasonably good fluidity for a big CB. He needs work on technique/awareness.

Exum is very physical, but will have to clean up his technique to avoid interference penalties in the NFL. He missed most of the 2013 season, but is projected to be nearly fully recovered.

Colvin would be rated much higher if not for an injury sustained at the Senior Bowl practices. He is actually 5'11-3/8 with 31" arms. He could be stashed away on IR for a year.

I really like the idea of getting big, tall, and physical corners, but Dallas is in no position to draft one this year. I know you never want to draft for need but Dallas has much bigger concerns on the Dline, linebacking, and even guard position to waste another high pick on the secondary.

With that said Jonathan Dowling and Dontae Johnson are both 6-2 and weigh 199 lbs. They are almost identical in stature and playing speed and both have played FS and CB. Johnson is a 6th round pick and Dowling is a 7th rounder and both could go undrafted. I wouldn't mind bringing in both with later round picks and having them both compete. Both are very raw though which is why they are going to go in the later rounds.

 

[xwalker]

I don't know if this guy is draft able because he wasn't very good in college, but I am hoping Dallas brings demetri Goodson to Dallas day. I think he would be an ideal fa pickup to have on the practice squad for a year. Goodson was the starting point guard for gozaga and is a great athlete. He only played college football for 2 years, I believe. He has good size and is a good enough athlete. No idea if he will ever be a legit nfl cb, but he is a long shot I am interested in.

He transferred from Gonzaga to Baylor. He was a starter at CB, but was injured and out for the season. He had a broken arm in October which should be healed by now.
Demetri Goodson
5-11, 200

 

[xwalker]

I really like the idea of getting big, tall, and physical corners, but Dallas is in no position to draft one this year. I know you never want to draft for need but Dallas has much bigger concerns on the Dline, linebacking, and even guard position to waste another high pick on the secondary.

With that said Jonathan Dowling and Dontae Johnson are both 6-2 and weigh 199 lbs. They are almost identical in stature and playing speed and both have played FS and CB. Johnson is a 6th round pick and Dowling is a 7th rounder and both could go undrafted. I wouldn't mind bringing in both with later round picks and having them both compete. Both are very raw though which is why they are going to go in the later rounds.

It wouldn't be a surprise in the 4th or later for the Cowboys to draft a CB.

 

[Future]

The problem I have with big corners is that, if they make a mistake, it is usually a lot bigger than smaller guys. A misstep for Scandrick is vastly different than it would be for a guy like Sherman. They seem to be more boom-or-bust type players at corner.

 

[KingintheNorth]

Big corners would definitely help with the scheme we are attempting but it still won't matter with no-speed Church and no-clue Heath back there. We have to get better at Safety.

 

[LatinMind]

I have started in other threads that I think the Cowboys need to have a big developmental CB due to the increasing number of monster sized WRs in the league.

Here is a list of the 6' and over CBs that are projected to be drafted:

Height, Weight, Player, Round
6-0 200 Justin Gilbert 1
6-0 195 *Marcus Roberson 1-2
6-0 194 Kyle Fuller 2
6-1 195 Pierre Desir 2-3
6-0 190 *Louchiez Purifoy 2-3
6-3 215 Stanley Jean-Baptiste 3
6-3 214 Keith McGill 3
6-0 190 *Terrance Mitchell 3
6-0 183 Ross Cockrell 3-4
6-0 194 Jaylen Watkins 3-4
6-0 185 *Bashaud Breeland 3-4
6-1 205 Walt Aikens 4-5
6-0 220 Antone Exum Injured 5
6-0 187 Bennett Jackson 5-6
6-0 186 Aaron Colvin Injured 6-7
6-0 195 Lavelle Westbrooks 6-7
6-1 195 Phillip Gaines 7

Jean-Baptiste looks like he can play, IMO, but he'll probably get drafted too early to make sense for the Cowboys.

McGill had some issues at the Senior Bowl, but in addition to being 6-3, 214, he has long arms (33") and is projected to run a 4.4x forty. In game footage he appears to have good speed and reasonably good fluidity for a big CB. He needs work on technique/awareness.

Exum is very physical, but will have to clean up his technique to avoid interference penalties in the NFL. He missed most of the 2013 season, but is projected to be nearly fully recovered.

Colvin would be rated much higher if not for an injury sustained at the Senior Bowl practices. He is actually 5'11-3/8 with 31" arms. He could be stashed away on IR for a year.

Int leaders
Richard Sherman cb 6'3 - 8
Brandon Boykin cb 5'10 - 6
Antrell Rolle s 6'0 - 6
Tramaine Brock cb 5'10 - 5
Tashaun Gipson s 5'10 - 5
Logan Ryan cb 5'10 - 5
Earl Thomas s 5'10 - 5
Alterraun Verner cb 5'10 - 5
Darius Butler s 5'10 - 4
Jarius Byrd s 5'10 - 4

Yup thats their height.

 

[LatinMind]

Pro bowl cbs

Tim Jennings 5'8
Brent Grimes 5'10
Darrelle Revis 5'11
Patrick Peterson 6'1
Alterraun Verner 5;10
Antonio Cromartie 6'2
Brandon Flowers 5'9
Joe Haden 5'11

Looks like these CBs under 6ft are doing just fine.

 

[jobberone]

I really like the idea of getting big, tall, and physical corners, but Dallas is in no position to draft one this year. I know you never want to draft for need but Dallas has much bigger concerns on the Dline, linebacking, and even guard position to waste another high pick on the secondary.

With that said Jonathan Dowling and Dontae Johnson are both 6-2 and weigh 199 lbs. They are almost identical in stature and playing speed and both have played FS and CB. Johnson is a 6th round pick and Dowling is a 7th rounder and both could go undrafted. I wouldn't mind bringing in both with later round picks and having them both compete. Both are very raw though which is why they are going to go in the later rounds.

I see your points but I think we need a CB and we should really look hard at the UDFAs. I'm saying draft one but they need to weigh that position carefully.

 

[jobberone]

Pro bowl cbs

Tim Jennings 5'8
Brent Grimes 5'10
Darrelle Revis 5'11
Patrick Peterson 6'1
Alterraun Verner 5;10
Antonio Cromartie 6'2
Brandon Flowers 5'9
Joe Haden 5'11

Looks like these CBs under 6ft are doing just fine.

You need some quick guys and you don't HAVE to be big to tackle and cover. But it helps. You need people who can do the job. I don't care what size they are but it is very frustrating to be right there and have someone 4-5 inches taller beat you. If the ball is thrown well then you can't cover it.

 

[LatinMind]

I see your points but I think we need a CB and we should really look hard at the UDFAs. I'm saying draft one but they need to weigh that position carefully.

The one CB i want in this draft is Chris Davis. He's physical, and he makes plays in special teams too. Davis in RD3 would do it for me

 

[jobberone]

The one CB i want in this draft is Chris Davis. He's physical, and he makes plays in special teams too. Davis in RD3 would do it for me

I think there is an issue with guys either not getting a chance to play the ball and a big problem getting hurt tackling because they are too small.

 

[LatinMind]

You need some quick guys and you don't HAVE to be big to tackle and cover. But it helps. You need people who can do the job. I don't care what size they are but it is very frustrating to be right there and have someone 4-5 inches taller beat you. If the ball is thrown well then you can't cover it.

Yeah people get down on Mo but after a slow start this yr he turned it on in that Denver game in the 2nd half. Manning wouldnt even throw to his side. Too bad he had those nagging injuries and unfortunate about his dad, then his baby being born. He had a yr. He is growing, i think he;ll be fine and be back to starting this yr. Scandrick is best in the slot too. You add a Chris Davis and you have something going with this Cb core. Then there is still Moore. This team needs to play more man tho. Thats where Mo and Carr thrive in. Scandrick IMO can play either.

 

[LatinMind]

I think there is an issue with guys either not getting a chance to play the ball and a big problem getting hurt tackling because they are too small.

Only one to get hurt this yr was Mo but he's not really small. He's 190lbs. Which isnt bad for a CB.

 

[jobberone]

Only one to get hurt this yr was Mo but he's not really small. He's 190lbs. Which isnt bad for a CB.

He's not big for sure although I agree he's not on the other end of the spectrum either.

 

[jobberone]

Yeah people get down on Mo but after a slow start this yr he turned it on in that Denver game in the 2nd half. Manning wouldnt even throw to his side. Too bad he had those nagging injuries and unfortunate about his dad, then his baby being born. He had a yr. He is growing, i think he;ll be fine and be back to starting this yr. Scandrick is best in the slot too. You add a Chris Davis and you have something going with this Cb core. Then there is still Moore. This team needs to play more man tho. Thats where Mo and Carr thrive in. Scandrick IMO can play either.

I certainly hope he has a good year.

 

[LatinMind]

I certainly hope he has a good year.

I think he will. But he def needs to do some work in the weight room. Strength. This whole team needs to work this offseason

 

[CowboysLegend365]

Everybody wants the next Richard Sherman (with good reason) but I have learned that one thing you cannot teach is awareness. Guys either have it (i.e. Honey Badger) or they don't. Of course it develops over time, or it just never does (AOA). If a guy shows that awareness in college, or at least has shown a progression in his college years, I'm for it.

If not...leave him alone.

 

[jobberone]

I think he will. But he def needs to do some work in the weight room. Strength. This whole team needs to work this offseason

We had two guys on one team who were both 6-5 240ish. One was just huge. The other not so much. One was dense and the other not at all. I realize that seems obvious but there is more to that at times than just muscle and fat.

We need solid dense players who are strong and fast. That takes either very good genes or lots of time training.