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[Doomsday101]

Absolutely. I love NASCAR and go to a lot of the races. I was at Charlotte in the Diamond Tower for the All Star race. One thing that no one can deny is that while Jr. may be the fan's favorite driver, he is also NASCAR's. The things they do to make sure he has EVERY benefit to win a race is something to see.

As you said, if his name wasn't Earnhardt that flag would have been flying.

Why I have seen many races even this year were as long as the cars involved in the wreck were able to get off the track they would allow the race to continue. Had any of the cars been stalled out or unable to move off the track under their own power the yellow would have come down. It is not that uncommon

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Out of all the current drivers Dale Jr is 8th in wins

Only these drivers have more wins

Jeff Burton

Bobby Labonte

Kurt Busch

Tony Stewart

Mark Martin

Jimmie Johnson

Jeff Gordon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NASCAR_drivers

It's been more than three years since he won a race. His skills are now at the level of Bobby Labonte's and he is much younger.

The truth is that Jr. isn't his dad, he isn't near as good of a driver as his dad was and people are trying to make him that. I think that he was put in a real bad position early on after his dad died to try to be him.

I also think there was a lot of pressure put on him when he was a kid as well. His brother Kerry and even his sister all raced but got no where near the attention or the support from DEI or the family prior to the formation of DEI. I was at Pocono when Kerry won his First ARCA race.

After Kerry won his dad showed up in victory lane, gave him a quick hug and then moved on. They were getting ready for Cup practice but you would have thought that SR. would have spent a bit more time enjoying the moment with his son.

On a side note, Kerry and I had a mutual friend who ran ARCA. His name was Blasie Alexander. He was from the town I was living in in PA. During the Charlotte race in 2001 or 2002 (Don't remember for sure but it was the year that SR was killed at Daytona) Kerry and Blaise were in an accident that killed Blaise.

Anyway, the point was that even though Kerry had driven a DEI ARCA car for a bit, he never got the same advantage as his brother. And frankly, I thought Kerry was a more talented driver. He did more with less than JR. did/does.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Why I have seen many races even this year were as long as the cars involved in the wreck were able to get off the track they would allow the race to continue. Had any of the cars been stalled out or unable to move off the track under their own power the yellow would have come down. It is not that uncommon

There were multiple cars involved. In addition, Burton sat sideways on the lower portion of the track before firing the engine to get it started. In that scenario, the yellow would have been put out. At least that's the standard protocol. It is the flagman's discretion but NASCAR is always in their ear during the race. I am sure they were yelling "Keep it green. Keep it green."

 

[Doomsday101]

It's been more than three years since he won a race. His skills are now at the level of Bobby Labonte's and he is much younger.

The truth is that Jr. isn't his dad, he isn't near as good of a driver as his dad was and people are trying to make him that. I think that he was put in a real bad position early on after his dad died to try to be him.

I also think there was a lot of pressure put on him when he was a kid as well. His brother Kerry and even his sister all raced but got no where near the attention or the support from DEI or the family prior to the formation of DEI. I was at Pocono when Kerry won his First ARCA race.

After Kerry won his dad showed up in victory lane, gave him a quick hug and then moved on. They were getting ready for Cup practice but you would have thought that SR. would have spent a bit more time enjoying the moment with his son.

On a side note, Kerry and I had a mutual friend who ran ARCA. His name was Blasie Alexander. He was from the town I was living in in PA. During the Charlotte race in 2001 or 2002 (Don't remember for sure but it was the year that SR was killed at Daytona) Kerry and Blaise were in an accident that killed Blaise.

Anyway, the point was that even though Kerry had driven a DEI ARCA car for a bit, he never got the same advantage as his brother. And frankly, I thought Kerry was a more talented driver. He did more with less than JR. did/does.

I know Kerry

I agree he is not his dad hell few guys who have raced in NASCAR are as good as his dad. Jr early on was able to win and as you mentioned over the last 2 years he has gone through some down times no sugar coating that

I will say this current season is starting to show a turn around for Jr as he has been running much better in races through out the season. I think the new crew cheif Steve Letarte is paying off in terms of Dales confidence as well as putting together some good cars this season. Heck Jr currently is 4th in the NASCAR point race which is alot better than he has seen in a while.

 

[Doomsday101]

There were multiple cars involved. In addition, Burton sat sideways on the lower portion of the track before firing the engine to get it started. In that scenario, the yellow would have been put out. At least that's the standard protocol. It is the flagman's discretion but NASCAR is always in their ear during the race. I am sure they were yelling "Keep it green. Keep it green."

And I have seen NASCAR do the same in other races that Dale was already knocked out of. To suggest that they only did this for Jr I disagree with

 

[CowboyDan]

I can't believe they didn't Yellow Flag that race. I know what some of you guys are saying, but that was multi-car and they weren't exactly moving off of the track quickly, not to mention the possibility of debris and fluids on the track. I was shocked when they left it green. Definitely lends credence to the JR conspiracy theory.

 

[big dog cowboy]

It's been more than three years since he won a race. His skills are now at the level of Bobby Labonte's and he is much younger.

Everyone thought he would start winning races when he went to Hendricks Racing. I remember those who thought a Hendricks driver would win every race. He is likely the 3rd best driver Hendricks has had since then.

What I would have really liked to see is somehow Dale patch things up with Teresa and stay at DEI. The way that relationship end has to have Dale Sr. rolling in his grave.

 

[CowboyDan]

Everyone thought he would start winning races when he went to Hendricks Racing. I remember those who thought a Hendricks driver would win every race. He is likely the 3rd best driver Hendricks has had since then.

What I would have really liked to see is somehow Dale patch things up with Teresa and stay at DEI. The way that relationship end has to have Dale Sr. rolling in his grave.

I don't blame JR for how things ended at DEI. It's a shame that he left.

 

[Yeagermeister]

I didn't see the end of the race but if the leader has taken the white flag the only way a yellow can be thrown is if the track is blocked.

 

[CowboyDan]

I didn't see the end of the race but if the leader has taken the white flag the only way a yellow can be thrown is if the track is blocked.

This is true, but the accident occurred before JR entered turn 3. He wasn't anywhere near taking the white flag.

 

[Doomsday101]

This is true, but the accident occurred before JR entered turn 3. He wasn't anywhere near taking the white flag.

and when the cars came around was there any obstructions in front of them? No doubt it is a judgement call on throwing the yellow but fact is the cars stayed under control and were able to move off the track

 

[CowboyDan]

and when the cars came around was there any obstructions in front of them? No doubt it is a judgement call on throwing the yellow but fact is the cars stayed under control and were able to move off the track

If you watch racing than you know that Nascar throws yellows when there's "debris" on the track........sometimes as little as a piece of tape, especially when there's a handful of laps left. (Just ask Kyle Bush.) I find it hard to believe that at the time of the accident, you didn't think that a yellow was coming out. Even the broadcasters, including the normally talkative DW himself, had a hard time scrambling to explain why no yellow was thrown. They were clearly caught off-guard, as was I. There's smoke & metal flying off the back of Kesolowski's and Burton's cars, but for some reason they stayed green. It's inconsistent at best.

 

[Doomsday101]

If you watch racing than you know that Nascar throws yellows when there's "debris" on the track........sometimes as little as a piece of tape, especially when there's a handful of laps left. (Just ask Kyle Bush.) I find it hard to believe that at the time of the accident, you didn't think that a yellow was coming out. Even the broadcasters, including the normally talkative DW himself, had a hard time scrambling to explain why no yellow was thrown. They were clearly caught off-guard, as was I. There's smoke & metal flying off the back of Kesolowski's and Burton's cars, but for some reason they stayed green. It's inconsistent at best.

I watch racing every weekend and have done so for many years, I have seen simular races where they did not throw the yellow on the green white checker restart. Again was there any obstructions? No there was not

All I'm hearing is they were doing it for Jr and that is a crock of BS

 

[CowboyDan]

I watch racing every weekend and have done so for many years, I have seen simular races where they did not throw the yellow on the green white checker restart. Again was there any obstructions? No there was not

All I'm hearing is they were doing it for Jr and that is a crock of BS

Who's your favorite driver?

 

[Doomsday101]

Who's your favorite driver?

Jr but then again I have several drivers I like including the winner of the race Kevin Harvick. I have also seen enough races to know what took place this past weekend was not uncommon. Could a yellow flag have been dropped? sure but I have seen enough races where they have not thrown the flag.

The cars involved were down low under the yellow line and able to move out of the way. As the cars are coming back around there is nothing on track that would have forced the yellow.


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[CowboyDan]

Then I totally understand your bias. However, Nascar's inconsistency is nothing new and not surprising to most.

 

[Doomsday101]

Then I totally understand your bias. However, Nascar's inconsistency is nothing new and not surprising to most.

Bias? Liking Jr and not coming down on NASCAR because they did not throw the yellow has nothing to do with bias. Believe it or not people can have a view that is not tainted by bias. If you notice I'm one of the few around here who do not act as if the refs are out to get the Cowboys or blame loses on others like refs. I have watched NASCAR long enough to know that what they did in this past race is not all that uncommon.

I find it funny you say bias and then talk of NASCAR inconsistency.

 

[CowboyDan]

Bias? Liking Jr and not coming down on NASCAR because they did not throw the yellow has nothing to do with bias. Believe it or not people can have a view that is not tainted by bias. If you notice I'm one of the few around here who do not act as if the refs are out to get the Cowboys or blame loses on others like refs. I have watched NASCAR long enough to know that what they did in this past race is not all that uncommon.

I find it funny you say bias and then talk of NASCAR inconsistency.

Funny how you think I'm the only person in the world that thinks they should've yellow flagged the race. I'm not a JR fan or hater, and I could clearly see that it should've been yellow flagged. You are a JR fan, Nascar is inconsistent, and they do coddle JR. Wake up. It's like Kevin Harvick said, "It all depends on what side of the decision you fall on, as to if it's good or not."

 

[Doomsday101]

Funny how you think I'm the only person in the world that thinks they should've yellow flagged the race. I'm not a JR fan or hater, and I could clearly see that it should've been yellow flagged. You are a JR fan, Nascar is inconsistent, and they do coddle JR. Wake up. It's like Kevin Harvick said, "It all depends on what side of the decision you fall on, as to if it's good or not."

Where did I say you were the only one thinking that?

Coddle Jr well that is your opinion and as for the yellow flag again I have seen it where in simular sitation did not throw it. Had they thrown the yellow I would not have had an issue with it, based on what they saw they felt they could allow the race to continue and guess what no cars on the track no debri that presented any problems and they fininshed the race amazing.

 

[CowboyDan]

Ok.