Bigger threat in 09: Gspots or Egirls?

[playmakers]

As much as I hate to admit it Andy Reid always finds a way to win somehow. If the Eagles stay healthy they have to be the favorites coming in. Ill say this though, notice Desean Jackson last year was healthy for the entire year. If you look at his college career and his smaillish frame you would think he might get injured this year. I think Maclin is a year or so away. Eagles could be hurting at wide out. Thats there down side.

 

[Typhus]

The healthiest team in December will come out on top in the East. I know thats rather cliche, but its probably the most accurate measure of this division.

All 4 teams at this stage have their weaknesses and strengths respectively, but this is the closest division talent wise in the NFL if your trying to grade.

Those who frowned on the Boys recent draft, might be smiling in December, when the upgraded depth that this team now has, proves to be a more valuable commodity than initially viewed.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Most prognosticators have either Philly or the Nyg winning the east. I personally don't think either team will be a force in the NFC.

Just curious why you think that?... If they aren't, who will be a force?

I know those teams have potential flaws, but someone from the NFC has to be a top team... Minny? Atlanta?

 

[crxman2003]

I think both team will have certain areas that give us fits as always. The giants have a rediculous d line rotation that was only set back last year because of injuries. The eagles offense could possibly be one of the top. With our secondary still somewhat unproven as a unit, I would give the edge to philly. We'll still beat them two out of three times though

 

[Future]

That said, we've talked about the Giants and the Eagles loss of key critical componentsthat could impact their respective teams, but the Cowboys have sustained losses also that will impact performance. For example,

I think the Dallas Cowboys may not necessarily be as strong (on both sides of the ball) as they were last year, taking into consideration their loss of TO, Ellis and their Probowl potential. Not to mention, Pacman Jones in the secondary, Roy Williams, and Anthony Henry.


Realistically, all I'm saying is that we've all taken hits from losing key players (coaches) from our rosters. This could cancel out any one of us dominating the league or it could upset the balance of NFC-East power. That, and just a *sprinkle* of bias is how I justify the following ...



PT

Nobody lost less than the Cowboys. Other than T.O. they didn't really lose a player who can't be replaced quickly, and their subtractions also will make the clubhouse a much better place. Roy Williams didn't even play last year, pacman did nothing, and Anthony Henry missed a bunch of games too, so we aren't losing really anything without those guys.

The Cowboys are the only team of the three who got better, the other two got worse.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Nobody lost less than the Cowboys. Other than T.O. they didn't really lose a player who can't be replaced quickly, and their subtractions also will make the clubhouse a much better place. Roy Williams didn't even play last year, pacman did nothing, and Anthony Henry missed a bunch of games too, so we aren't losing really anything without those guys.

The Cowboys are the only team of the three who got better, the other two got worse.

I certainly hear your logic; perhaps you are right. My Not agreeing with you certainly does not mean that you are wrong.

PT

 

[Apollo Creed]

Just curious why you think that?... If they aren't, who will be a force?

I know those teams have potential flaws, but someone from the NFC has to be a top team... Minny? Atlanta?

Maybe New Orleans or Carolina.

Either way, 2 teams from the East are going to the playoffs regardless.

 

[dadymat]

i think the Cowboys are the only team who replaced the players they lost....

Sensabaugh > R.Williams

Olshansky > Canty

Brookings > Thomas (at this point)

Jenkins / Scandrick > Henry / Pacman

Kitna > Johnson

of course T.O. is better than Roy but Roy will more than play his part, and I think age considered Spencer should replace Ellis without much of a notice....

add in the players who were injured last season we will be getting back to normal ....Felix, Mcbriar, Flo, Barber and Kosier....i think alot of people are gonna be surprised how good we are....

not to mention our O line plays Heavy Metal and David Buehler doesnt wear Superman pajamas, Superman wears David Buehler pajamas

 

[JBS]

Just curious why you think that?... If they aren't, who will be a force?

I know those teams have potential flaws, but someone from the NFC has to be a top team... Minny? Atlanta?

You know this is a valid question, as I wrote that sentence, I honestly asked myself - "do I really believe that statement?" I came to the conclusion and it very well could be a personal bias of mine, that the real eagles are the eagles that we saw at the beginning half of last year and that the giants are the team that we saw at the end of last season. However, with how poor the NFC is, it does not take anything too special to be a force in that conference.

So, technically, the Eagles or Giants could wind up being a "force", but only because of how weak the NFC is. I do not see either team being better than 10-6, nor do I see both of them achieving 10 wins, I am just not certain which of the 2 is better. To answer your other question, I believe that the Vikings, assuming they get Favre, are indeed better than both Philly and New York. As far as the Falcons are concerned, I like the direction they are headed, but no, I do not believe they are legit. As always, there will be a sleeper team that knocks the conference off of its socks, I just don't know who it will be.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Eagles.

The Eagles were the best team in the NFC East at season's end and during the postseason.

In my opinion, the Giants' offense is going to struggle next season -- perhaps even more so than it was at the end of last season. At times, Eli and Co. seemed to be slogging through mud, and the loss of Amani Toomer can only make the quagmire deeper. Who can be a reliable number one option in the passing game? Who do opposing defenses fear?

The Giants have a very good defense, but its success is predicated almost entirely on its ability to pressure the passer and force turnovers.

If the Giants aren't scoring points, opponents will be less included to pass against them.

 

[Skinsmaniac]

i think the Cowboys are the only team who replaced the players they lost....

I know this is a Giants, Eagles, Boys thread, but the Skins didn't lose anyone major. Of course we didn't really fix the problems along our offensive line, especially at RT.

 

[5Stars]

I know this is a Giants, Eagles, Boys thread, but the Skins didn't lose anyone major. Of course we didn't really fix the problems along our offensive line, especially at RT.

That's what I'm talking about! You have to have someone "major" to lose first!!

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

I know this is a Giants, Eagles, Boys thread, but the Skins didn't lose anyone major. Of course we didn't really fix the problems along our offensive line, especially at RT.

No disrespect, but personally, I think you may have lost Jason Campbell's mental game. I'm referencing that trade deal that the Skins GM wanted to make with the Broncos but couldn't close the deal. Jason Campbell now realizes that he is on sort of a bubble to perform. Admittedly, he certainly has something to prove to himself, the Commanders team and Commanders GM.

I'm buying that if he can't show marked improvement from last year (and pardon me for saying that wouldn't take too much), he may have to step aside and become a backup or trade bait. We're all watching that one.

PT

 

[dadymat]

I know this is a Giants, Eagles, Boys thread, but the Skins didn't lose anyone major. Of course we didn't really fix the problems along our offensive line, especially at RT.

I think you will regret losing Springs and the signing of Haynesworth...just my opinion but Haynesworth lacks motivation and if Fisher cant keep a player motivated i fear he will cash it in if the fans, Snyder and media turn on Zorn and Cambell

 

[Skinsmaniac]

I think you will regret losing Springs and the signing of Haynesworth...just my opinion but Haynesworth lacks motivation and if Fisher cant keep a player motivated i fear he will cash it in if the fans, Snyder and media turn on Zorn and Cambell

Springs was excellent when he was on the field, but he missed half the season with injuries. I have confidence in Rogers as a #1, Hall as a #2 and Smoot as a #3. We'll have to see about Haynesworth.

 

[BourbonBalz]

I certainly realize where loyalty interferes with objectivity - heck my subjective feelings totally contradict what ESPN and opponent fans are saying sometimes.

That said, we've talked about the Giants and the Eagles loss of key critical componentsthat could impact their respective teams, but the Cowboys have sustained losses also that will impact performance. For example,

I think the Dallas Cowboys may not necessarily be as strong (on both sides of the ball) as they were last year, taking into consideration their loss of TO, Ellis and their Probowl potential. Not to mention, Pacman Jones in the secondary, Roy Williams, and Anthony Henry.

Realistically, all I'm saying is that we've all taken hits from losing key players (coaches) from our rosters. This could cancel out any one of us dominating the league or it could upset the balance of NFC-East power. That, and just a *sprinkle* of bias is how I justify the following ...

Eagles
Dallas/Giants
Commanders

PT

Realistically, neither Roy Williams (the safety) nor PacMan were factors one way or another last year. Williams missed almost the entire season due to two broken arms (same one twice) and PacMan wasn't much of a factor even when he was on the field (which was fairly rare due to suspensions, etc.). Ellis was being phased out by Spencer and Scandrick and Jenkins are extreme improvements over Henry. Losing T.O.'s production (production prior to last year) will hurt, but RW will now take over the # 1 WR spot and will replace T.O.'s production. Also, Austin and TE Bennett will be much more involved in the passing game this year. We lost some players, but we GOT RID of all of them willingly because they were either locker room problems or their production had fallen off considerably. We will be younger, better, and faster this year on both sides of the ball.

 

[Mansta54]

Springs was excellent when he was on the field, but he missed half the season with injuries. I have confidence in Rogers as a #1, Hall as a #2 and Smoot as a #3. We'll have to see about Haynesworth.

You've gotta be kiddin!! Rogers is avg, Hall is pure TOAST, and Smuut is a straight up BUM...

 

[BourbonBalz]

My take on the East, and no I'm not being a homer.

Washington - Pretty solid team, but the lack of a QB, a below average OL, and less than stellar WRs will make them about a .500 team. Could be a very good defense though.

N.Y. Giants - Like many others have posted, I think the Giants could struggle A LOT this year offensively. Eli is O.K., but you can't count on him to win a game by himself. They have absolutely no proven receivers, and teams will stack the line of scrimmage to stop the run game, which also took a hit due to free agency. A very stout defense, especially on the line, but they will struggle to score.

Philly - Our biggest threat this year. Good overall team, but McNabb is getting older and seems fragile at times (both physically and mentally), especially when things aren't going his way. The also have injury issues at RB, considering Westbrook can't seem to stay on the field either. Their WRs have a lot of potential, but it remains to be seen how they'll actually perform. Defense should be stout again, but if Jim Johnson can't put in the time due to his illness, you have to think there will be a bit of a fall off.

I personally think we're the most talented team in the division, but we need to prove it on the field. Should be a fun season.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

My take on the East, and no I'm not being a homer.

Washington - Pretty solid team, but the lack of a QB, a below average OL, and less than stellar WRs will make them about a .500 team. Could be a very good defense though.

N.Y. Giants - Like many others have posted, I think the Giants could struggle A LOT this year offensively. Eli is O.K., but you can't count on him to win a game by himself. They have absolutely no proven receivers, and teams will stack the line of scrimmage to stop the run game, which also took a hit due to free agency. A very stout defense, especially on the line, but they will struggle to score.

Philly - Our biggest threat this year. Good overall team, but McNabb is getting older and seems fragile at times (both physically and mentally), especially when things aren't going his way. The also have injury issues at RB, considering Westbrook can't seem to stay on the field either. Their WRs have a lot of potential, but it remains to be seen how they'll actually perform. Defense should be stout again, but if Jim Johnson can't put in the time due to his illness, you have to think there will be a bit of a fall off.

I personally think we're the most talented team in the division, but we need to prove it on the field. Should be a fun season.

Well said.

Just thinking out loud here, but if Chicago found ways to win games with Rex a few years back then NY may do the same although the NFC East isn't the 2006 NFC North.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Dallas can beat both. They just need to be playing well at the end of the season.