Bill Parcells and Mike McCarthy

[CCBoy]

The game plan seems simple enough for the Jets, but it takes talent to execute, and the Jets biggest weakness is on the offensive line. The Jets offensive line has yet to face a defensive front as deep and skilled as the Cowboys and it will be a huge x-factor to watch for on Sunday. While the Jets offensive line fairs better in the running game versus in pass protection, it’ll be a matchup worth watching this week. Forcing to Jets offense to play behind the chains will be the goal. Forcing the ball into Wilson’s hands could be an issue for the Jets and both teams recognize that.

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[MS17]

I was posting in a different thread, and I realised something. I found an interesting comparison between Bill Parcells and Mike McCarthy. Both won their most recent Super Bowl about a decade prior to joining the Cowboys with a major rival of the Cowboys. Bill Parcells did it with the Giants in 1990 (hired in 2003 when I was 10), and Mike McCarthy did it in 2010 with the Packers (hired in 2020). Both coaches joined us when it became clear that Jerry was lost and needed a coach to turn around what a previous coaching disaster had done. Parcells turned us around from what Campo did (in fairness, not Campo's fault entirely considering what little he had to work with in his short tenure). Mike McCarthy has turned us around from the Garrett failure. They both changed the mentality of the team. They have both (in Mike's case, his combination with Quinn, has been wonderful) turned the Cowboys into legitimate contenders. The teams were and are poised to be contenders for a very long time.

I don't know how this board was in 2003, as I was about 10 years old at the time. However, I'm curious about the attitude that Parcells had around Cowboys fans. I say this because I think McCarthy is easily the best coach that we have had at HC since Parcells. He's set us up for long term success. We were pleading since Parcells for a proper coach. We have one. Look what he's been able to turn Garrett's team into. I hope Jerry is careful. After Parcells left, this team really should have won at least one Lombardi with what he left us. With what Mike and Dan Quinn have built, this team should win a Lombardi. I hope Jerry has learned the lesson after Parcells. I hope he keeps the two around long term. I think they can win us a title, as long as Jerry just lets them do their jobs. I trust what Mike McCarthy is doing, just as I think Cowboys fans trusted (as did I) Parcells.

Some good points there, Rusty.
Bill had his fans, and to be sure, some detractors who did not appreciate his raw candor and sour sarcasm (despite his success).
I still recall the term "a Parcells player." (Lawrence Taylor, K. Johnson, Detroit HC Campbell, Dave Megget, Phil Sims come to mind).
But like him or loathe him, his press briefings were hysterical at times and are still talked about. (he referred to Terrell Owens as "the player")

 

[CCBoy]

What’s this nonsense?

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[RustyBourneHorse]

Jerry

Jerry handed Parcells TO. A notorious coach killer. TO acted like an idiot day 1. The anti Parcells player. Plus Bill wasn’t the bootlicker Jerry needed. What was a bad pairing fell apart but Parcells changed the culture and helped develop a gritty roster capable of contending. Jerry replaced him with a sleepy good ole boy that proceeded to destroy the culture. That team was primed. Jerry’s hubris destroyed it. That’s the story.

Hopefully, Jerry has learned his lesson. Mike is doing a great job. We just need him to keep doing what he is doing to build this team.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Some good points there, Rusty.
Bill had his fans, and to be sure, some detractors who did not appreciate his raw candor and sour sarcasm (despite his success).
I still recall the term "a Parcells player." (Lawrence Taylor, K. Johnson, Detroit HC Campbell, Dave Megget, Phil Sims come to mind).
But like him or loathe him, his press briefings were hysterical at times and are still talked about. (he referred to Terrell Owens as "the player")

I do remember how hilarious his briefings were. I thoroughly enjoyed them.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

It just goes to show how critically important coaching is in the NFL and how utterly inept Jones has been for long stretches of time with his idea of who the HC should be.

I agree, and it's amazing how it was overlooked for so long by Jerry. I appreciate how good Mike is at coaching, and how he's able to do it without rocking the boat.

 

[Ken]

I was posting in a different thread, and I realised something. I found an interesting comparison between Bill Parcells and Mike McCarthy. Both won their most recent Super Bowl about a decade prior to joining the Cowboys with a major rival of the Cowboys. Bill Parcells did it with the Giants in 1990 (hired in 2003 when I was 10), and Mike McCarthy did it in 2010 with the Packers (hired in 2020). Both coaches joined us when it became clear that Jerry was lost and needed a coach to turn around what a previous coaching disaster had done. Parcells turned us around from what Campo did (in fairness, not Campo's fault entirely considering what little he had to work with in his short tenure). Mike McCarthy has turned us around from the Garrett failure. They both changed the mentality of the team. They have both (in Mike's case, his combination with Quinn, has been wonderful) turned the Cowboys into legitimate contenders. The teams were and are poised to be contenders for a very long time.

I don't know how this board was in 2003, as I was about 10 years old at the time. However, I'm curious about the attitude that Parcells had around Cowboys fans. I say this because I think McCarthy is easily the best coach that we have had at HC since Parcells. He's set us up for long term success. We were pleading since Parcells for a proper coach. We have one. Look what he's been able to turn Garrett's team into. I hope Jerry is careful. After Parcells left, this team really should have won at least one Lombardi with what he left us. With what Mike and Dan Quinn have built, this team should win a Lombardi. I hope Jerry has learned the lesson after Parcells. I hope he keeps the two around long term. I think they can win us a title, as long as Jerry just lets them do their jobs. I trust what Mike McCarthy is doing, just as I think Cowboys fans trusted (as did I) Parcells.

I was McCarthy's biggest critique the last two years.

I see his value now. I hated him not using his super power to call his offense. That was a horrible decision.

However, he is doing it now and you can see his influence on the team. Hiring Quinn was a masterstroke after his initial swing and miss with Nolan.

Yes, when Parcells was around, it was awesome. His press conferences were must watches lol

He also ran the team like a well oiled machine and he had his fingerprint all over the team, good and bad.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I was McCarthy's biggest critique the last two years.

I see his value now. I hated him not using his super power to call his offense. That was a horrible decision.

However, he is doing it now and you can see his influence on the team. Hiring Quinn was a masterstroke after his initial swing and miss with Nolan.

Yes, when Parcells was around, it was awesome. His press conferences were must watches lol

He also ran the team like a well oiled machine and he had his fingerprint all over the team, good and bad.

Yes, I thought Parcells was an excellent coach. As for Mike, I think he was trying to not rock the boat. It goes to what I had suspected was the case. I think Moore was forced onto him, and he went along with it at first to not rock the boat. I think the players respect him (having his pedigree helps), and, now that he's taking control of the offense the way he did in Green Bay, it's having a nice effect so far.

 

[gimmesix]

True, but it's amazing how the two of them took a team that was like a canoe without direction, and turned it into a battleship.

No doubt. I think that's the difference in hiring a coach who's been there and done that and taking a shot on some great coordinator or in Garrett's case, someone the Joneses thought had a great football mind. Sure, you can hit on the right coordinator, but generally you've got to have a great front office structure in place to do that, and we have not had that.

Chan Gailey, Dave Campo, Wade Phillips and Garrett might not could have succeeded anywhere, but they certainly weren't going to succeed here where the Joneses' ideas for running this team shift on their whims. Gailey was given a veteran team that was stuck in its ways and reticent to accept change. Campo was given nothing to work with because the Joneses had run the cap into the ground. Phillips was given a great setup by Parcells, but didn't have the discipline needed to be a head coach ... and essentially had Garrett sabotaging him IMO. And Garrett had previously only been a QB coach, so he didn't even have the credentials to be a coordinator much less a head coach.

Hopefully, the Joneses at least learn from this when McCarthy leaves that they need to hire proven coaches who know how to run the operation, because they don't. Even Jimmy was a proven coach, having led the Miami Hurricanes to a national championship before coming to Dallas.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

No doubt. I think that's the difference in hiring a coach who's been there and done that and taking a shot on some great coordinator or in Garrett's case, someone the Joneses thought had a great football mind. Sure, you can hit on the right coordinator, but generally you've got to have a great front office structure in place to do that, and we have not had that.

Chan Gailey, Dave Campo, Wade Phillips and Garrett might not could have succeeded anywhere, but they certainly weren't going to succeed here where the Joneses' ideas for running this team shift on their whims. Gailey was given a veteran team that was stuck in its ways and reticent to accept change. Campo was given nothing to work with because the Joneses had run the cap into the ground. Phillips was given a great setup by Parcells, but didn't have the discipline needed to be a head coach ... and essentially had Garrett sabotaging him IMO. And Garrett had previously only been a QB coach, so he didn't even have the credentials to be a coordinator much less a head coach.

Hopefully, the Joneses at least learn from this when McCarthy leaves that they need to hire proven coaches who know how to run the operation, because they don't. Even Jimmy was a proven coach, having led the Miami Hurricanes to a national championship before coming to Dallas.

Exactly. I hope that, if Mike leaves (I'd love for him and Quinn to stay long term), Jerry will continue to bring in (maybe Quinn?) Coaches with pedigree and that know what they're doing. We don't need anymore project coaches.

 

[gimmesix]

Exactly. I hope that, if Mike leaves (I'd love for him and Quinn to stay long term), Jerry will continue to bring in (maybe Quinn?) Coaches with pedigree and that know what they're doing. We don't need anymore project coaches.

I believe Quinn would definitely fit the mold since he did take his own team (Atlanta) to a Super Bowl. He has at least shown that he knows how to get there.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I believe Quinn would definitely fit the mold since he did take his own team (Atlanta) to a Super Bowl. He has at least shown that he knows how to get there.

Exactly, but, for now, let's let Mike do what he needs to do. I trust Mike.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I was posting in a different thread, and I realised something. I found an interesting comparison between Bill Parcells and Mike McCarthy. Both won their most recent Super Bowl about a decade prior to joining the Cowboys with a major rival of the Cowboys. Bill Parcells did it with the Giants in 1990 (hired in 2003 when I was 10), and Mike McCarthy did it in 2010 with the Packers (hired in 2020). Both coaches joined us when it became clear that Jerry was lost and needed a coach to turn around what a previous coaching disaster had done. Parcells turned us around from what Campo did (in fairness, not Campo's fault entirely considering what little he had to work with in his short tenure). Mike McCarthy has turned us around from the Garrett failure. They both changed the mentality of the team. They have both (in Mike's case, his combination with Quinn, has been wonderful) turned the Cowboys into legitimate contenders. The teams were and are poised to be contenders for a very long time.

I don't know how this board was in 2003, as I was about 10 years old at the time. However, I'm curious about the attitude that Parcells had around Cowboys fans. I say this because I think McCarthy is easily the best coach that we have had at HC since Parcells. He's set us up for long term success. We were pleading since Parcells for a proper coach. We have one. Look what he's been able to turn Garrett's team into. I hope Jerry is careful. After Parcells left, this team really should have won at least one Lombardi with what he left us. With what Mike and Dan Quinn have built, this team should win a Lombardi. I hope Jerry has learned the lesson after Parcells. I hope he keeps the two around long term. I think they can win us a title, as long as Jerry just lets them do their jobs. I trust what Mike McCarthy is doing, just as I think Cowboys fans trusted (as did I) Parcells.

MM blows away parcells. Parcells was over the hill and outdated when he got here. Better team builder than coach. Terrible coach when he was here.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Jerry

Jerry handed Parcells TO. A notorious coach killer. TO acted like an idiot day 1. The anti Parcells player. Plus Bill wasn’t the bootlicker Jerry needed. What was a bad pairing fell apart but Parcells changed the culture and helped develop a gritty roster capable of contending. Jerry replaced him with a sleepy good ole boy that proceeded to destroy the culture. That team was primed. Jerry’s hubris destroyed it. That’s the story.

Parcels was terrible.

Quincy carter, bledslow, testicleverde says it all.

 

[gimmesix]

Exactly, but, for now, let's let Mike do what he needs to do. I trust Mike.

Very few coaches have led two different teams to Super Bowl victories, so it's an uphill climb. I don't think it's fair to McCarthy not to acknowledge that. I just want to see progress this year. If he can get us to the NFC championship this year, then he deserves another year to try to get the job done. If he doesn't, then I prefer to give someone else a shot.

That's not anything against McCarthy. I just learned while Garrett was here that almost all Super Bowl coaches (especially in the salary cap age) win a Super Bowl in their first five years with a new team. That means he has through 2024, but if he doesn't make progress this year, I'd be in favor of giving Quinn a shot.

The fact that McCarthy has put together back-to-back playoff seasons shows he's a quality coach IMO, but I don't want to possibly spend years spinning our wheels like we did under Garrett.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

MM blows away parcells. Parcells was over the hill and outdated when he got here. Better team builder than coach. Terrible coach when he was here.

Perhaps, but Parcells did get us out of the Campo years and reset the franchise. Mike has pulled us out of the Garrett years. I think he's set this team up for success for a long period of time.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Perhaps, but Parcells did get us out of the Campo years and reset the franchise. Mike has pulled us out of the Garrett years. I think he's set this team up for success for a long period of time.

MM i agree. Parcells was a joke.

Campo was strapped with salary cap nightmare and jerry handpicking players and blowing it. He had no chance for success.

 

[Majic]

MM blows away parcells. Parcells was over the hill and outdated when he got here. Better team builder than coach. Terrible coach when he was here.

Ridiculous!

 

[Majic]

MM i agree. Parcells was a joke.

Campo was strapped with salary cap nightmare and jerry handpicking players and blowing it. He had no chance for success.

Parcells was night and day above any coach after Jimmy and any coach since he left in 2006

 

[Majic]

Parcels was terrible.

Quincy carter, bledslow, testicleverde says it all.

He inherited Carter and tried to work with him for a year and actually improved his game. Bledsoe and Testeverde were the best and really only options at the time. Along with Payton he knew he had something in Romo and developed him into a franchise QB