Bill Parcells and Mike McCarthy

[CCBoy]

He did not draft Carter. He had to work with him

Carter last quarterbacked a minor league team in Corpus Christi and arrested on marijuana charges.

 

[Majic]

How many sbs and playoff wins did he muster?

Game, set, match!

and left behind a SB calibre roster

 

[CCBoy]

Another myth that gets reported- Jerry and Parcells did not get on. They had very good working relationship and did not fall out, although Jerry undoubtedly got frustrated

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[CowboyRoy]

The salary cap issue was Jerry's fault. We're talking about a Jerry who'd passed up on Randy Moss, traded for Joey Galloway, and had contracts out the wazoo that we were paying for a long time later. This was a Jerry that had no idea how the salary cap worked. The fact that Parcells took a 3 time 5-11 team and turned them into a playoff team a year later was remarkable.

Who cares he had quincy carter as his qb. Lol

What loser coach would do that? Only parcells.

That playoff team was joke.

 

[CowboyRoy]

and left behind a SB calibre roste

Quit you mean?

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Says who? You?

Give me anyone over testicle

What loser coach goes with quincy carter? Lol

As far as the Testaverde statement goes, there's an article on a newspaper company that we can't post here where Parcells talks about how much of a help he was to Romo. I think you'll find the answer to those questions there.

As for Quincy Carter, let's look at the 2003 NFL draft for why we ended up still needing Carter that season (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_NFL_Draft). With our first pick, we took Terrance Newman, who was a big reason why our secondary was good (along with Roy Williams pre-horsecollar). The QBs taken in the first round that year were Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich, and Kyle Boller. Not exactly a strong QB class. Ironically, it would later turn out that we ended up with the best QB in that class, but he had to be developed. So, to say that Parcells was a poor coach for starting Carter is inaccurate when you look at what we had at the time, and what the QBs were like.

 

[CowboyRoy]

As far as the Testaverde statement goes, there's an article on a newspaper company that we can't post here where Parcells talks about how much of a help he was to Romo. I think you'll find the answer to those questions there.

As for Quincy Carter, let's look at the 2003 NFL draft for why we ended up still needing Carter that season (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_NFL_Draft). With our first pick, we took Terrance Newman, who was a big reason why our secondary was good (along with Roy Williams pre-horsecollar). The QBs taken in the first round that year were Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich, and Kyle Boller. Not exactly a strong QB class. Ironically, it would later turn out that we ended up with the best QB in that class, but he had to be developed. So, to say that Parcells was a poor coach for starting Carter is inaccurate when you look at what we had at the time, and what the QBs were like.

Quincy carter, testicle, bledslow

Says it all……he didnt try for better because a bus driver was all he wanted. It was the way he liked to build his teams.

Over the hill and passed his prime.

Glad you enjoyed it. I hated the parcells years.

He was supposed to be great and he simply wasnt.

If it wasnt for carter getting in trouble he would have been our qb the entire time.

 

[CCBoy]

Yah….ok lol

Quit you mean?

No, one is mistaking Parcells for Johnson...

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[CowboyRoy]

No, one is mistaking Parcells for Johnson...

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Parcells had 4 years, a clean slate salary cap, and the ability to bring in whomever he wanted.

Then he quit the moment we had a quality team and a good qb.

 

[CCBoy]

Parcells had 4 years, a clean slate salary cap, and the ability to bring in whomever he wanted.

Then he quit the moment we had a quality team and a good qb.

He was worn out as a coach from the hours he was investing...it's been provided in quotes.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Quincy carter, testicle, bledslow

Says it all……he didnt try for better because a bus driver was all he wanted. It was the way he liked to build his teams.

Over the hill and passed his prime.

Glad you enjoyed it. I hated the parcells years.

He was supposed to be great and he simply wasnt.

If it wasnt for carter getting in trouble he would have been our qb the entire time.

Well, considering my first memories as a Cowboys fan consisted if Campo coaching, I did enjoy the fact that there appeared to be hope for the team finally. You're correct about Carter. Had he not gotten in trouble, Carter probably starts again in 04. Largely because Carter had looked good the year before. Which would explain why the team didn't draft a QB that year. I think Vinny, if I remember correctly, was supposed to be a veteran depth piece. Carter failed a drug test that resulted in him getting cut, which led to Romo making the team. So, when you think about it, 2004 was a situation where Carter largely messed up a lot for the team, but, there was a silver lining that we would find a few years later. I think the plan, after Carter failed his test, was for Romo to develop into a starter.

Also, sure, he may not have taken a QB in the 2005 draft, but it also says something about what he thought of Romo that he didn't. We had 2 first round picks that year. We went with Marcus Spears and DWare in round 1. If Parcells thought that Romo wasn't going to be a starting caliber player, I think he would've taken Aaron Rodgers, who we had two chances at drafting.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

In fact, I can't help but wonder, deviating slightly from the point of this thread, what would've happened if Carter hadn't failed that test? We know that Romo was likely to be cut if that didn't happen, so, he likely ends up on the PS. We had traded our first round pick that year, so that timeline stays the same. I wonder, if Carter struggles that year, would the Cowboys have used one of those 1sts on Rodgers?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Well, considering my first memories as a Cowboys fan consisted if Campo coaching, I did enjoy the fact that there appeared to be hope for the team finally. You're correct about Carter. Had he not gotten in trouble, Carter probably starts again in 04. Largely because Carter had looked good the year before. Which would explain why the team didn't draft a QB that year. I think Vinny, if I remember correctly, was supposed to be a veteran depth piece. Carter failed a drug test that resulted in him getting cut, which led to Romo making the team. So, when you think about it, 2004 was a situation where Carter largely messed up a lot for the team, but, there was a silver lining that we would find a few years later. I think the plan, after Carter failed his test, was for Romo to develop into a starter.

Also, sure, he may not have taken a QB in the 2005 draft, but it also says something about what he thought of Romo that he didn't. We had 2 first round picks that year. We went with Marcus Spears and DWare in round 1. If Parcells thought that Romo wasn't going to be a starting caliber player, I think he would've taken Aaron Rodgers, who we had two chances at drafting.

The first thing parcells shoulda done when he got here was evaluate how bad carter was and got rid of him. Made the decision to go in another direction.

Once he failed to do that his tenure here was doomed.

Quincy carter was the worst qb i have ever seen. Bar none!

 

[CowboyRoy]

In fact, I can't help but wonder, deviating slightly from the point of this thread, what would've happened if Carter hadn't failed that test? We know that Romo was likely to be cut if that didn't happen, so, he likely ends up on the PS. We had traded our first round pick that year, so that timeline stays the same. I wonder, if Carter struggles that year, would the Cowboys have used one of those 1sts on Rodgers?

Parcells wanted bus drivers. It was his team building model. It was his monster flaw as a coach.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

The first thing parcells shoulda done when he got here was evaluate how bad carter was and got rid of him. Made the decision to go in another direction.

Once he failed to do that his tenure here was doomed.

Quincy carter was the worst qb i have ever seen. Bar none!

I think Clint Storner and Ryan Leaf would beg to differ. Carter was bad, but it wasn't like there was a huge amount of other options. Perhaps he could've gone a different direction, but who does he go with that year? The FA class wasn't good, as far as I remember. I think, given what I just laid out, that Parcells played the hand he was dealt well. Maybe we could've tanked in 2003? If that happened, maybe we end up with Eli Manning or Big Ben. However, maybe they were trying to tank in 03, ans the team happened to end up surprising everyone. Either way, things played out the way they did. The point is, I think Parcells felt he could work with Carter, until he failed his drug test. I think the fact we passed up, the following year, on Rodgers in favour of Romo tells you what the plan seemed to switch to when Carter failed.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Parcells wanted bus drivers. It was his team building model. It was his monster flaw as a coach.

Perhaps, but if we are talking about developing a QB, which he did with Romo, if the timeline instead was that Carter passed his test, perhaps we end up with Rodgers the following year as someone Parcells would try to develop. I'm just curious how that timeline would have played out.

 

[CCBoy]

In fact, I can't help but wonder, deviating slightly from the point of this thread, what would've happened if Carter hadn't failed that test? We know that Romo was likely to be cut if that didn't happen, so, he likely ends up on the PS. We had traded our first round pick that year, so that timeline stays the same. I wonder, if Carter struggles that year, would the Cowboys have used one of those 1sts on Rodgers?

When Carter was drafted, he was considered a hot Collegiate prospect.

As to the use of the two first round picks, Bill had decided to go ahead and change to the 3-4. He needed a defensive end and outside linebacker. Jerry pressed on the first pick being DeMarcus Ware. A couple of defensive linemen were taken in that draft also.

 

[gtb1943]

Parcells wanted bus drivers. It was his team building model. It was his monster flaw as a coach.

HOF fame and only HC to take four separate teams to the playoffs. Amazing how some numbies truly are unable to grasp reality.

BP took over a toxic waste dump and turned it around completely. Only a football moron would not understand how tough that was.

 

[CCBoy]

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

When Carter was drafted, he was considered a hot Collegiate prospect.

As to the use of the two first round picks, Bill had decided to go ahead and change to the 3-4. He needed a defensive end and outside linebacker. Jerry pressed on the first pick being DeMarcus Ware. A couple of defensive linemen were taken in that draft also.

Sure, but, I can't help but wonder, if Carter had struggled in 2004, would Parcells have taken Rodgers in round one that year? I mean, I think DWare does get taken by us, but then it comes down to Spears or Rodgers.