Bill Parcells get a pass if...

[jterrell]

This team seems to be pretty old at QB, WR, OG, that is 5 positions... do you believe we will see a change next year in any of those 5 positions? if so who? Do you believe any of those people in those positions will be getting better next year? if so who? Do you see any realistic contingency plans for those 5 positions? If so who?

QB. We have 33 year old Bledsoe. Then Romo and Henson both kids with no experience. How much younger should we get? Should we draft an 8th grader as the 3rd guy to make you feel better or perhaps sign Harrignton to start and cut Bledsoe?

WR. We have old Keyshawn and old Terry both catching 60 plus balls and getting 700 or more receiving yards then a young TE and Crayton/Copper finishing off WR. You wanna trade off DeMarcus Ware and Marcus Spears for Mike Williams at WR?

OG. Old Hall of Famer Larry Allen and middle career Rivera start. After them is Andre Gurode and 2nd year guy Peterman.They are followed by rookies.

What, do you suggest the team start all rookies?
Honestly man some of this criticism borders on insanely unintelligent.

We are starting a rookie RT, a young center, young fullback, a young TE, a rookie OLB, 2nd year ILB, 3rd year ILB, 2nd year FS, 3rd year CB.

You can't draft a whole friggin team in one off-season or even three.

Name me one team who has all of these positions taken car of for years down the line?

Basically get real dude this is 2005/6 not 1992.

 

[Zaxor]

I think Bledsoe will be here as for WR and OG I think Dallas will address and add to these positions. Last year Dallas made many changes on defense and as Bill said you can't address everything in 1 off-season. I think this off-season Dallas will look a bit more at revamping the offense. I also think on offense that Dallas does have several players who have only 3 year or less in the NFL. I don't think things are bad on the contrary I think this team will steadily improve. I guess I just have a bit more patients and others.

Amen to that My Friend

I was never blessed with it and have never been able to aquire it...

but I too see around 5-6 guys that are VERY, VERY close to being done... If we get 3 years out of them I would be surprised... I am expecting a dropoff, or lingering injuries which I think will hamper us again next year...

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Oh, I didnt see your other question JTerrell.

Like Hostile mentioned, a team gets cut up, re-anlayzed, and overanalyzed week by week.

How great were the Bears' expectations at the beginning of the year? Since most of their fans probably thought they would struggle, should they still continue to keep their expectations low because...geez we thought they would struggle at the beginning of the year when no football had been played and...that is my story...im stubborn and I am going to stick to it no matter how good they play?

C'mon.

When we went 7-3, my expectations LEAPED as I evaluate them week after week. That is why I was so frustrated with them loosing games because they had alot of talent.

This is a playoff team and anything else is unacceptable.

- Mike G.

 

[Doomsday101]

Amen to that My Friend

I was never blessed with it and have never been able to aquire it...

but I too see around 5-6 guys that are VERY, VERY close to being done... If we get 3 years out of them I would be surprised... I am expecting a dropoff, or lingering injuries which I think will hamper us again next year...

You could be right I guess we will have to see what moves are made in the off-season. I think Bill understands the weakness of this team and I think he will do what he feels needs to be done to correct those weakness.

 

[Dallas4ever]

Wrong...it happened to the Miami Dolphins in 2003.

Again, this team was in the playoffs 2 years ago with lesser talent.

This team had all the talent in the world for it to not be in the playoffs. We went toe-to-toe with some heavweights.

Sorry sir, when evaluating a particular season, it is mainly about did you get into the big dance or not. This team should have been in at least the 1st round of the playoffs and it still could happen. If it is not, then it is no different then some of the other seasons we had.

Go ahead and beat your chest about 4 extra victories....

I am a naive fan that did what the Head Coach told everyone to do "Get your expectations up". I did.

- Mike G.

My expectations were up as well and this season will be a huge let down if we don't make the playoffs. Parcells has done a decent job thus far but not to the level that we were led to believe. Forgive me for not putting him on the same pedestal as others have.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Its funny that those who boast the loudest about their uncommonly high expectations and "I'm a Cowboy Fan, ****** !!! I expect Superbowls, and anything less is meaningless" bravado are the also the ones who turn around and say there is a drastic distinction between a 10-6 team that gets a wildcard birth and a 10-6 team that doesn't get a wildcard birth.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

My expectations were up as well and this season will be a huge let down if we don't make the playoffs. Parcells has done a decent job thus far but not to the level that we were led to believe. Forgive me for not putting him on the same pedestal as others have.

I think the problem is that people have a hard time sepearting 2 things:

Was the season good or has his tenure been good?

And

Offering constructive critism or hatred of Big Bill.

These are the real issues why people get their panties all in a bunch when somebody actually has the nerve to say....yeah...I dont think this was a successful season because we didnt make the playoffs.

That is why when I keep trying to stay on subject and only talk about the 2005 Season in a vaccum, Campo comes up, Gailey comes up, our draft comes up yada yada yada.

If you are soley talking about the results of 2005, I am gonna stick to my story and say it is not a success if we dont get in.

- Mike G.

 

[jterrell]

The obsession will NEVER EVER die.

I am envious of the Patriots, Eagles, Bengals, Giants, Jags, Colts, Steelers, Bears, Tampa's, Falcons, and Minnesota's of the world.

ROFLMAO.

Dude, seriously.

The Pats found a franchise guy in round 5 and he was just a backup never expected to play much.

The Eags fans were booing McNabb both when drafted then again this season at times.

The Bengals had the 1st overall choice. No scouting needed. Palmer was an easy choice.

Giants had Eli come calling. Again no real dilemma as the drafts top player came to them.

The Jags are not nearly as set. Leftwich is solid and we should have drafted him IMHO but again he isn't a top 5 QB by any means. He's got a career 80 QB rating and has never passed for 3000 yards.

Colts again had top overall pick.

Steelers used a high pick on a QB and dont ask him to throw it nearly at all. He's never even passed for 2700 yards or thrown more than 17 TDs.

Bears??? ROFL. I'll just assume this was ajoke as they have no proven QB at all much less a young franchise guy. They win despite the QB in Chicago.

Tampa? Again man this is a stretch of epic proportions. Simms was about to be cut. Gruden didn't think he could play. He got a chance due to injuries at the position. He is no more a franchise QB than Drew Henson.

Falcons used a 1st overall pick.

Minnesota is starting ancient retread Brad Johnson and will likely cut Culpepper in the off-season. What exactly are you envious of?

As in the article you are not using any realistic barometer but instead pretending those situations are what you want. Of the 10 you lised about half have a legit young franchise QB and of those most were 1st overall picks in the draft.

The biggest argument against that nonsensical its all about the QB argument that started with Randy Galloway is the Houston Texans who have sucked worse than anyone because they tried to build around a young franchise QB instead of building a team first.

Chicago is a perfect example of the overvalued QB position. They had the worst QB in that division with a rookie 2nd day choice and they won the division. The other teams had a former top 5 pick, a hall of famer, a top 10 pick who had nbeen to Pro Bowls.

Its about the team man, not the QB.
Just ask Dan Marino and Trent Dilfer.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Its funny that those who boast the loudest about their uncommonly high expectations and "I'm a Cowboy Fan, ****** !!! I expect Superbowls, and anything less is meaningless" bravado are the also the ones who turn around and say there is a drastic distinction between a 10-6 team that gets a wildcard birth and a 10-6 team that doesn't get a wildcard birth.

Well.....exxxxxxxxcccccccccuse me!!!!!

for having the unreasonbly high expectations for a team with this kind of talent to get into the playoffs...

Forget it man...were going 1-15 every year....I dont want to get my expectations up too high :

- Mike G.

 

[jterrell]

Oh, I didnt see your other question JTerrell.

Like Hostile mentioned, a team gets cut up, re-anlayzed, and overanalyzed week by week.

How great were the Bears' expectations at the beginning of the year? Since most of their fans probably thought they would struggle, should they still continue to keep their expectations low because...geez we thought they would struggle at the beginning of the year when no football had been played and...that is my story...im stubborn and I am going to stick to it no matter how good they play?

C'mon.

When we went 7-3, my expectations LEAPED as I evaluate them week after week. That is why I was so frustrated with them loosing games because they had alot of talent.

This is a playoff team and anything else is unacceptable.

- Mike G.

Thats just admitting to being fickle and easily swayed man.
The first half schedule was easy. It featured games against weaker opponents. There were no Arizona's in that last 6 games. The weakest opponent will be the one we play Sunday. Lose that game and there is a legit beef.

But this team has beaten SD on the road, KC here, the Giants here, Carolina on the road. Thats about as many quality wins as we had in the four years prior to BP arriving. We took 1 bad loss. To Oakland on the road when they were winless.

At 7-3 it looked like we were in because we all figured 10 wins was enough.

Judge the team not the final seedings.

 

[Trip]

What's equally funny is the ones that are now talking about how you can't rebuild a team in three years, were probably the same ones talking the loudest when Parcells led his team to the playoffs in his first season here. But it's unrealistic of us to expect a playoff team this year? Please.

 

[jterrell]

What's equally funny is the ones that are now talking about how you can't rebuild a team in three years, were probably the same ones talking the loudest when Parcells led his team to the playoffs in his first season here. But it's unrealistic of us to expect a playoff team this year? Please.

Most people "expected" 9 or 10 games to get you into the playoffs.

Now those same folks wanna say no it doesnt matter how many wins just get in the playoffs.

Please. Get a grip.

Show me who expected 11 wins or more and then with them I will allow plenty of leeway.

Looking at this schedule and how teams fared this year 11 wins was not a reasonable expectation. PERIOD. Look at how many teams we played who won/will win 10 games for goodness sakes?

 

[wxcpo]

Dat
Ellis
Glover
Roy
Singleton
Allen
Flo

Those are the only guys on the whole TEAM who remain from Campo's days. ANd Dat, Singleton and possibly GLover won't be here next year either.

Seriously, where do you guys come up with this stuff?

Ok I'll concede this one, I looked at some wrong info. He has completely "rebuilt" this team.

Virtually that same defense was a horror show in 2004. 2003 was a mirage.

Why does it have to be a mirage? Because all the experts on here say it was? Maybe they were better than people give them credit for. Maybe they went down in 2004 because of bad coaching. A mirage over a few games maybe, but when they do it for a complete season you have to say it was more than just a mirage.

And again almost all of those guys are gone or not playing now.

DEFENSE
RE Ebenezer Ekuban (Playing, Broncos)
RT La'Roi Glover (Playing, Cowboys)
LT Willie Blade (On IR, out for season, Cowboys)
LE Greg Ellis (Playing, Cowboys)
SLB Al Singleton (On IR, out for the season, Cowboys)
MLB Dat Nguyen (On IR, out for the season, Cowboys)
WLB Dexter Coakley (Playing, Rams)
LCB Terence Newman (Playing, Cowboys)
RCB Mario Edwards (Out of football?)
SS Darren Woodson (Retired)
FS Roy Williams (Playing, Cowboys)

Looks like most of those guys from that #1 2003 ranked defenisive unit are actually still playing or were playing prior to season ending injuries and for the Cowboys.

Yeah, I miss the days of Goodrich, Ross and Larrimore too.

No I don't miss those days, but we did have 2 pretty good guys back there in Williams and Woodson. BP has failed to replace Woodson and that hurts our secondary.

Bledsoe is more than 'marginally' better then Quincy.

Go back and read everything I wrote about this. I said he replaced Carter with Bledsoe without improving the offensive line so that makes it only a marginal upgrade at QB. I didn't say Bledsoe was only marginally better than Carter.

Barber is a huge improvement to Hambrick and he's our 3rd down back.

I wouldn't say he's a huge improvement. It's easy to watch what he's done this season and say he's a huge improvement. Can he do it for a complete season though? Something at this point none of us know. JJ is the real improvement, but only if he can stay healthy and on the field for a complete season.

The rest of your post is complete revisionist history with almost no basis in fact.

Alot of what anyone writes on this or any board is matters of opinions, including yours and mine.

 

[Dallas4ever]

I think the problem is that people have a hard time sepearting 2 things:

Was the season good or has his tenure been good?

And

Offering constructive critism or hatred of Big Bill.

These are the real issues why people get their panties all in a bunch when somebody actually has the nerve to say....yeah...I dont think this was a successful season because we didnt make the playoffs.

That is why when I keep trying to stay on subject and only talk about the 2005 Season in a vaccum, Campo comes up, Gailey comes up, our draft comes up yada yada yada.

If you are soley talking about the results of 2005, I am gonna stick to my story and say it is not a success if we dont get in.

- Mike G.

The people who are so quick to defend Parcells seems to have forgotten what good football looks like and are accepting less. This season shouldn't be viewed as a success by no means. Atleast not by Dallas Cowboys standards.

 

[Trip]

I just want to know how many years, before no playoff wins becomes unacceptable to you? There must be a number....

Or is it okay to go 9-7 or 10-6 every year, with the occasional 6-10 thrown in and no playoff wins?

Does Parcells have unconditional support with you?

My number is three years, yours obviously much longer.

 

[Zaxor]

jterrell=QB. We have 33 year old Bledsoe. Then Romo and Henson both kids with no experience. How much younger should we get? Should we draft an 8th grader as the 3rd guy to make you feel better or perhaps sign Harrignton to start and cut Bledsoe?

where to begin... Parcells wanted a veteran... but we would have been better served playing the young ones or drafting one or trading for one that is gonna be here more than a year or 2

WR. We have old Keyshawn and old Terry both catching 60 plus balls and getting 700 or more receiving yards then a young TE and Crayton/Copper finishing off WR. You wanna trade off DeMarcus Ware and Marcus Spears for Mike Williams at WR?

we could have had plexico burress who is younger and caught more and others besides...who are gonna be around for more than a year or 2 and who's skills are not so apt to decline

OG. Old Hall of Famer Larry Allen and middle career Rivera start. After them is Andre Gurode and 2nd year guy Peterman.They are followed by rookies.

We could have had Wahle who was the younger and the better of the two and also has played tackle...Gurode has had problems and peterman can't even sniff the field... there were other options also available but not pursued

What, do you suggest the team start all rookies?

no but I think you should keep an eye on how old a vet the team signs.. guys that won't be here or have diminsihing skills are not of any help

Honestly man some of this criticism borders on insanely unintelligent.

Feel better?

We are starting a rookie RT, a young center, young fullback, a young TE, a rookie OLB, 2nd year ILB, 3rd year ILB, 2nd year FS, 3rd year CB.

speaking of Center I was telling everyone last year that Al was getting blown up far too often...I think Bill would have know that too don't you think but again he failed to address the situation... also his FB doesn't block and is rather one dimensional don't you think?... If you look at posts from earlier this year I said there was no way in the world Dat was gonna make a whole season playing a 3-4 LB and Bill would have know that too but again if he was forced to play those young LB's it was because he forced the change over too early...

You can't draft a whole friggin team in one off-season or even three.

Nope you can't but this is not 1992 as you so kindly pointed out there are other options NFLE/CFL/AFL/FA/Trades all could be of use and doesn't necessarily have to cost the world either

Name me one team who has all of these positions taken car of for years down the line?

show me first a team that has the same or older in all those positions

Basically get real dude this is 2005/6 not 1992.

Closing and squeezing your eyes real tight JT doesn't always drive off the boogeyman

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[Maikeru-sama]

ROFLMAO.

Dude, seriously.

The Pats found a franchise guy in round 5 and he was just a backup never expected to play much.

Did they not draft a guy named Drew Bledsoe?

The Eags fans were booing McNabb both when drafted then again this season at times.

So F'in what? Since when did management give a **** about what fans think. That is a TKO, the manangement won that debate...

The Bengals had the 1st overall choice. No scouting needed. Palmer was an easy choice.

His career is just beginning but many still think Byron Leftwhich has what it takes and we could have drafted. Again, why dont they just get a running back or something and pass on Carson Palmer...since it aint about the QB.

Giants had Eli come calling. Again no real dilemma as the drafts top player came to them.

Again, another team taking the road often taken, doing whatever they need to do to get the foundation.

The Jags are not nearly as set. Leftwich is solid and we should have drafted him IMHO but again he isn't a top 5 QB by any means. He's got a career 80 QB rating and has never passed for 3000 yards.

As I stated, the jury is still out.

Colts again had top overall pick.

Another shining example of laying the foundation...this is too easy.

Steelers used a high pick on a QB and dont ask him to throw it nearly at all. He's never even passed for 2700 yards or thrown more than 17 TDs.

You seem to be stuck on stats. I dont care about stats. Aikman never ever had stats, he JUST WON BABY!!!. Why cant Maddox get it done if Big Ben is so horrible.

Bears??? ROFL. I'll just assume this was ajoke as they have no proven QB at all much less a young franchise guy. They win despite the QB in Chicago.

Did they not draft a couple quaterbacks. Grossman has had the injury bug. Not proven, HELL Carson Palmer is not proven, he has only had one good damn season. The young QB's they drafted are helping them win. Or do they have to pass for 5 million yards, 80 million TDs?

Tampa? Again man this is a stretch of epic proportions. Simms was about to be cut. Gruden didn't think he could play. He got a chance due to injuries at the position. He is no more a franchise QB than Drew Henson.

Once again, another shining example of a QB a franchise drafted helping them win games...this too easy.

Falcons used a 1st overall pick.

See above...

Minnesota is starting ancient retread Brad Johnson and will likely cut Culpepper in the off-season. What exactly are you envious of?

You are going to totally dismiss what Culpepper has been able to do for most of his career..amazing? To deny he has not helped his team win is very ignorant because he had one downer...amazing. I sure you will respond with it was all about Moss..so just just spare me torture.

As in the article you are not using any realistic barometer but instead pretending those situations are what you want. Of the 10 you lised about half have a legit young franchise QB and of those most were 1st overall picks in the draft.

Painfully obvious me and your definition of a Franchise QB is different. You dont have to be a future hall of famer, throw 3 million yards and 80 million TDs to be a Franchise QB. I think you have to be a leader, help your team win and someone the franchise can build around for years to come.

The biggest argument against that nonsensical its all about the QB argument that started with Randy Galloway is the Houston Texans who have sucked worse than anyone because they tried to build around a young franchise QB instead of building a team first.

Yep and throw Detroit in there as well. Always going to exceptions to the formula.
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Me and you have totally different views on a franchise.

I say you start with doing whatever it takes to get the best QB you can get...obviously you feel different.

Go look at the history of the draft. The Qb has probably been taking number 1 overall more than any other position on the field because teams no it makes their life much much easier if they can get that foundation...the Quarterback set.

There are going to be situations where the formula doesnt work to perfection, but all in all, I beleive in getting a QB through the draft or a young guy via a trade like Green Bay did with Favre or the Giants Eli.

- Mike G.

 

[wileedog]

Why does it have to be a mirage? Because all the experts on here say it was? Maybe they were better than people give them credit for. Maybe they went down in 2004 because of bad coaching. A mirage over a few games maybe, but when they do it for a complete season you have to say it was more than just a mirage.

The same coaches were in place for 2004 as for 2003. Its a tough argument to say the same guys who did a great job in 2003 stunk it up in 2004, and now are doing a great job in 2005.

Possible, but not the most likely explanation.

Most of all that defense got little or no pressure on the QB, and was one of the league's worst in creating turnovers. To me those are the marks of a great defense, not just least yards given up.

Looks like most of those guys from that #1 2003 ranked defenisive unit are actually still playing or were playing prior to season ending injuries and for the Cowboys.

Poorly worded on my part. I meant still playing for us. The point being that Bill has basically re-tooled the entire defense.

No I don't miss those days, but we did have 2 pretty good guys back there in Williams and Woodson. BP has failed to replace Woodson and that hurts our secondary.

And added Terence Newman, ANthony Henry and Aaron Glenn, all of whom are better corners than anyone who has played in Dallas since Deion left.

Yes, he's failed to replace Woodson, but I don't care if we spend a 1st round pick on a FS this year its going to be really, really hard to replace Woody.

Go back and read everything I wrote about this. I said he replaced Carter with Bledsoe without improving the offensive line so that makes it only a marginal upgrade at QB. I didn't say Bledsoe was only marginally better than Carter.

OK, and if the line gets fixed this offseason we ahave a dramatically better QB in place. Partial credit.

I wouldn't say he's a huge improvement. It's easy to watch what he's done this season and say he's a huge improvement. Can he do it for a complete season though? Something at this point none of us know. JJ is the real improvement, but only if he can stay healthy and on the field for a complete season.

Hambrick is out of football right now for a reason. I'm not saying Barber is all-world just that Hambrick was that bad.

I see your point on JJ, but time will tell. He was healthy all through college and got a lot of work, so even if he does turn out to be injury prone its tough to lay that all at BP's feet.

Alot of what anyone writes on this or any board is matters of opinions, including yours and mine.

Sure, but pretending that somehow Bill inherited a decent team or a good defense and has only added a few 'pieces' completely sidesteps reality, whether that is your opinion or not.

 

[jterrell]

Zax,
Its easy man.
You don't improve every position in a year.

At QB we have a better player than anyone could have expected when we tried to develop Carter/Wright/Hutch/Stoerner.
Just how much good did all that developing do us?????????
How much good has it done Houston or Detroit?

Wahle got more money and wasn't young. Its easy to second guess now after Rivera had a freak back injury and has looked mediocre but he was excellent last year.

For older teams look no further than Kansas City or Washington.
This team has been dropping age and will likely continue to do so. Singleton, Glover and a few others will be gone in the off-season replaced by younger bodies, likely rookie draftees.

No plan is perfect. You don't draft a guy and guarantee he doesn't get injured or sign a guy and have him fit as well in your system as he did another but the Cowboys have a young pass rusher, 2 young CBs and those are trouble positions we spent 10 years working on man. OL are generally older guys. QBs are generally older. Teams tossing out young QBs are doing so because they had no better option or because they invested the world in a young guy.

Offer any team for comparison's sake if you have a real point but I do not see it.

The Pats best players are older. The Colts best guys on offense at least are older. Tampa's best defenders.

Plaxico Burress is a head case. Thats why he wasn't added. Thats why he couldn't get many offers at all. The Giants in fact start ancient Toomer beside him. The best Giants are old Strahan and old Barber. Guess they should just cut those guys right?

They dont hand out trophies for having the youngest team, its the best team.

The NFL's youngest team in ATL which is why they are so maddeningly inconsistent.

 

[jterrell]

Mike.
The Bengals had BOTH Corey Dillion and Rudi Johnson when they drafted Carson Palmer unless I am mistaken. Hitting on Chad Johnson has made a lot more possible.

The Giants had Tiki Barber. They have Strahan and Osi forming the best DE duo in the league and have been overcoming Eli's erratic play with great special teams and defense.

The Colts added Edgerrin James to Peyton and already had Marvin Harrison.

Of all those teams you are so envious of, how many have won Super Bowls?


Perhaps you are jealous over the wrong things.