Bill Parcells get a pass if...

[AbeBeta]

NEWSFLASH! BP is not interested in a long term situation! so please stop trying to get those who are displeased with some of the things BP has done here to worship him like you!

Question! Seeing the cowboys reign as Americas Team again is what we all strive for correct? Playing with the same swagger as the 90's would be nice! You can not get there with BP's conservative style of coaching, we are not the giants of the 80's BP is trying to make us!

Ok -- now you are just being ignorant. Everywhere he has gone BP has been interested in leaving a legacy of building a strong team for years down the line.

here's a newsflash for you -- that 90's style isn't coming back. That isn't how BP coaches -- he's been doing this for a long time and he has a specific philosophy -- and he consistently applies that philosophy. If you don't like it go and root for the Rams. That seems to be more what you are looking for.

 

[kdog]

You call it BP worshiper -- I call it intelligent analysis.

And it was BP's aggressive play call at the end of the Hawks game that cost us. If BP has Drew take a knee and goes for OT, there is no INT. That would have been a conservative call.

Frankly wrongly attributing losses to conservative play calling does little to suggest that your analysis is anything but unintelligent.

BP has clearly cost us a few games. Abersonc as long as we agree to disagree, I will stay in good spirits! Thanks for your comments!

P.S. ( Your worship of BP is unflenching i see. That can be very unhealthy!)

 

[Clove]

It's funny how I go from forum to forum sometimes looking at what other team fans are thinking and it's amazing how they all say the same thing about their coach when there is a loss.

The first thing they say is, that SO - AND - SO is way too conservative, I hate that dang playcalling, we should fire his arse.

As much as I don't like the play-calling this year, and I have defenitely critisized him alot, his playcalling was perfect for our slow receivers (excluding Glenn) and our sorry Oline. Slinging the ball around this year on some of those teams, would have been catastrophic.

 

[InmanRoshi]

It's funny how I go from forum to forum sometimes looking at what other team fans are thinking and it's amazing how they all say the same thing about their coach when there is a loss.

The first thing they say is, that SO - AND - SO is way too conservative, I hate that dang playcalling, we should fire his arse.

As much as I don't like the play-calling this year, and I have defenitely critisized him alot, his playcalling was perfect for our slow receivers (excluding Glenn) and our sorry Oline. Slinging the ball around this year on some of those teams, would have been catastrophic.

I visit a lot of forums, and I've yet to see a forum criticize his coach for being too aggressive. Its always too conservative. 16 teams lose in the NFL every week, and by coincidence its ALWAYS the 16 most conservative coaches for that particular week. Its uncanny, really.

 

[AbeBeta]

I visit a lot of forums, and I've yet to see a forum criticize his coach for being too aggressive. Its always too conservative. They'll say "That was just stupid." But never too aggressive.

I think that is because most fans are idiots that play too much Madden.

 

[Mash]

Bill did inherit a bad team.....but considering the circumstances.....he had no where to go but up.

I firmly believe there are alot of NFL head coaches that would of accomplished as much wins as Bill did here.

He has been given full power.....cap space and high draft picks...Even though I never liked Campo as a coach....he was given none of these....Jerry wasted 2 first rounders on Galloway and we were in cap hell.

I think Bill has done a solid job......but I expected better in his 3rd year here....Bill has also missed on draft picks. His lastest one could be great but we don't know yet and probally won't till for a few more years.

I think Bill's best move was bringing in Ireland.

On offence we have Witten and Julius Jones.....Witten has proven he is a gem of a player....questions still loom for Julius. Other then that what do we have on offence? Adams? he is solid and Crayton who will never be a #1 WR.

The NFC East will be tougher next year.....not easier....The Eagles will still be the team to beat and the Giants will get better because Manning will get better. This team could easilty go 8-8 next year.

BTW....what will we say if we lay a egg against the Rams with a playoff spot on the line?.....but then again....we can also make it to the championship game.

 

[kdog]

Ok -- now you are just being ignorant. Everywhere he has gone BP has been interested in leaving a legacy of building a strong team for years down the line.

here's a newsflash for you -- that 90's style isn't coming back. That isn't how BP coaches -- he's been doing this for a long time and he has a specific philosophy -- and he consistently applies that philosophy. If you don't like it go and root for the Rams. That seems to be more what you are looking for.

Abersonc! Watch your mouth, ITs easy to be tough on the internet! I don't agree with your post and thats ok! but don't call me ignorant you don't know me and save the personal attacks! This is not the forum for it!

Play Nice!

 

[Clove]

I visit a lot of forums, and I've yet to see a forum criticize his coach for being too aggressive. Its always too conservative. 16 teams lose in the NFL every week, and by coincidence its ALWAYS the 16 most conservative coaches for that particular week. Its uncanny, really.

One the other hand, if his coach (Andy Reid) is aggressive and throws the ball every chance he gets (with an okay line and less than okay receivers) they find other things to critisize.

They don't have the personell to sling the ball around, yet they still sling it. Maybe Parcells sort of know what he's doing.

 

[AbeBeta]

Abersonc! Watch your mouth, ITs easy to be tough on the internet! I don't agree with your post and thats ok! but don't call me ignorant you don't know me and save the personal attacks! This is not the forum for it!

Play Nice!

I didn't say you were ignorant -- I said you were being ignorant by presenting untrue statements as fact. There is a difference - being ignorant is not a personal attack -- calling someone ignorant is.

If you don't want to get called out then at least try to post statements that are correct.

 

[InmanRoshi]

One the other hand, if his coach (Andy Reid) is aggressive and throws the ball every chance he gets (with an okay line and less than okay receivers) they find other things to critisize.

They don't have the personell to sling the ball around, yet they still sling it. Maybe Parcells sort of know what he's doing.

Right, when aggressive playcalling suffers the consequences of the risk that inherently comes with it then "that was just stupid".

Never too aggressive. It was just stupid.

 

[kojak]

I agree about the forums though. Kind of funny really. It always conservative if the play doesn't work. It's always we should of passed when we run for 1 yard, and should of run when we pass and was incomplete. Always go for it on 4th and 1.....

Makes me glad that fans don't make the calls.

 

[kdog]

I didn't say you were ignorant -- I said you were being ignorant by presenting untrue statements as fact. There is a difference - being ignorant is not a personal attack -- calling someone ignorant is.

If you don't want to get called out then at least try to post statements that are correct.

Let me see! I said conservative playcalling was BP's fault! He hired PAyton DeHaven Sporano and retained zimmer. Johnson, Rivera,Stewart,Peterman,Rogers are horrble. HE refused to sign a proven free safety which was a glaring weakness w/ $5 million cap space. He refused to open the offense because "you leave yourself open to mistakes" "you are what your record says you are" BP did not bring in veteran backups for the oline and that BP refused to stomp on teams that we dominated for 58 minutes and allowed them to come back and win!

Where in those statements have i been wrong!

 

[Trip]

Sorry, but one playoff loss in three years for a coach that makes the money he makes, and has been given the keys to the franchise and a full tank of gas is unacceptable.

His ego has cost his team 3 games.

I expect not only the playoffs, but a decent showing with at least one win, and then and only then will I agree that Parcells has us headed in the right direction.

Does the team have talent? Yes!

That's the point you folks are trying to make, and yet at the same time giving him a pass because he didn't inherit anything...?

His window of opportunity is this year and next year, after that his only two decent offensive lineman will be cap casualties, his receivers will be too old and his QB may be ready to be put out to pasture.

I want to see a team that's a few players away from making a strong push next year, and for me a decent showing in the playoffs is what it takes.

In 2003 when he took over the team, can anyone say they would be satisfied by 2006 if we still didn't have one playoff victory?

 

[AbeBeta]

Let me see! I said conservative playcalling was BP's fault! He hired PAyton DeHaven Sporano and retained zimmer. Johnson, Rivera,Stewart,Peterman,Rogers are horrble. HE refused to sign a proven free safety which was a glaring weakness w/ $5 million cap space. He refused to open the offense because "you leave yourself open to mistakes" "you are what your record says you are" BP did not bring in veteran backups for the oline and that BP refused to stomp on teams that we dominated for 58 minutes and allowed them to come back and win!

Where in those statements have i been wrong!

You said it was conservative play calling that lost the Seahawks game -- you said BP wasn't interested in building a team that won long term. That's what I disagreed with - and in both cases you were wrong.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Each and every Cowboy fan was going "***?" MANY, MANY times this year during many, many games.... so... what? because time has gone by you cant question BP or his decisions? Time has healed those wounds???

Facts are - he has made some very questionable decisions(off/pre/reg season). We all know that. That is questioning him and being intelligent about it.

If we dont make the playoff it WILL BE HIS FAULT. He was brought here to bring this team back to prominance via good decisions. He has made some questionable decisions. Some out and out BAD ones.

You can blast this post if you like or you can elaborate. We just may need a NEW coach that is young and hungry. We are playing like an old Bill Parcells.

 

[TunaFan33]

we actually get into playoffs and do well... win a game or two... or atleast show up in first playoff game and not just a "washed out one and done"

or does he get a pass anyways?

Poor playcalling, execution, conservatism... he has to be held accountable for all... but can get a reprieve if we get in... erases all of regular season for most part...

Yeah-I've been dissapointed with his tenure here too. However-reality is that if you're a multiple Super Bowl winner, you're gonna get a pass regardless.

If only Dan Reeves had won ONE of his SBs, he would be ranked as one of the best coaches in the game-not some bridesmaid.

 

[kdog]

You said it was conservative play calling that lost the Seahawks game -- you said BP wasn't interested in building a team that won long term. That's what I disagreed with - and in both cases you were wrong.

The interception was not the problem. It was the last field goal, that i took exception with. Go back with me here! WE destroyed Alexander at the point of attack, We hit hassleback so many times it was'nt funny. BP continued to run the ball and went deep once to peerless late in the third and to glenn once or twice. BP's refusal to open the offense because he believes that we will make mistakes caused us that game. We were outside the 20 yard line and he played for the fieldgoal. He said that in the skins game and the hawks game. The three plays from the 20 were run plays that were blown up leaving us with the unenviable task of stopping them from scoring! Abersonc come on now, was he not at fault there!

BP said he was too old to try and win later, What does that say about his long term aspirations!

 

[AbeBeta]

If we dont make the playoff it WILL BE HIS FAULT. He was brought here to bring this team back to prominance via good decisions. He has made some questionable decisions. Some out and out BAD ones.

Can you name one coach who hasn't made bad decisions? Rogers, Rivera, maybe Johnson and Peterman -- those look like bad decisions at this point. Pretty much all of his bad work seems to be on the OL.

However, you can't look at those choices with looking at the good he's done. A good coach isn't one who doesn't make any bad decisions -- but rather is one that makes far more good decisions than bad.

Let's see - re-signed a questionnable Flozell and turned him into a pro bowler. Completely rebuilt the RB position. Found a great TE in Witten. Found a decent QB. Got two quality vet WRs for cheap. Developing a good WR in Crayton. Rebuilt the DL. Rebuilding the LB corps. Took us from the worst defensive backfield to one of the best (except for Davis who still sucks).

We still need a few more players -- but we aren't looking for them at the glamour positions anymore (e.g, we are cool at LT, DE, CB) -- we need guys who come cheaper (C-G, maybe RT, LB, FS).

To me the good far outweighs the bad. Every coach makes decisions that don't turn out right.

 

[Trip]

Can you name one coach who hasn't made bad decisions? Rogers, Rivera, maybe Johnson and Peterman -- those look like bad decisions at this point. Pretty much all of his bad work seems to be on the OL.

However, you can't look at those choices with looking at the good he's done. A good coach isn't one who doesn't make any bad decisions -- but rather is one that makes far more good decisions than bad.

Let's see - re-signed a questionnable Flozell and turned him into a pro bowler. Completely rebuilt the RB position. Found a great TE in Witten. Found a decent QB. Got two quality vet WRs for cheap. Developing a good WR in Crayton. Rebuilt the DL. Rebuilding the LB corps. Took us from the worst defensive backfield to one of the best (except for Davis who still sucks).

We still need a few more players -- but we aren't looking for them at the glamour positions anymore (e.g, we are cool at LT, DE, CB) -- we need guys who come cheaper (C-G, maybe RT, LB, FS).

To me the good far outweighs the bad. Every coach makes decisions that don't turn out right.

I don't know about rebuilding the D line.

Spears and Canty will be good for a long time.

Ferguson will be cap killer through 2009.

Ellis and Glover appear to be on the way out, and they looked like they would be solid for us for a long time when Parcells took over.

I'd say we're right about where we were in 2003 - Dline wise.

Two of our four LB's are bad, and one of the two good ones can opt out of his contract after this year and is in line for a hefty raise. LB's aren't any better than when Parcells arrived, just a little bigger and there's more of them.

DB's are much better.

Offense is better too, but old and built for now.

 

[Clove]

Right, when aggressive playcalling suffers the consequences of the risk that inherently comes with it then "that was just stupid".

Never too aggressive. It was just stupid.

What's your meaning of aggressive then? If your o line sucks, what would you do aggressively?