Bill Parcells HAS failed us...

[HTownCowboysFan]

I was the person that said Tucker and Pettiti were "turnstyles." But even with that comment, I think Parcells has far from failed the fans.

This team was 5-11 for three years straight before Parcells came along. Now they are 25-22. That's going from a .313 winning percentage to a .532 winning percentage.

This team is actually somewhat disciplined and doesn't get in off the field troubles, which is night and day from beforehand. Oh yeah, they show up in shape for training camp, which is nice.

Let's look at the players he's drafted (or undrafted) that he's developed:

Witten (Pro Bowler, only 23 years old)

Julius

Barber

Tyson Thompson

Patrick Crayton

Canty

Spears

Thomas Johnson (only played one game, but I've got a feeling he's going to be real good...but take it for what you will)

Ratliff

Bradie James

Ware

Newman

Reeves

McBriar

Sure, the O-Line has been a problem. In fact, if you were going to point fingers you could take a look at Jerrah and Larry Lacewell who were horrible at drafting O-Linemen in the past 5 years and the draft that really failed at getting O-Linemen (2004 when we took Rogers and Petermann), Lacewell was the head scout for that. Even still, they wound up getting Crayton, Reeves, and Julius Jones out of that deal...along with the Bills' first round pick.

Parcells hasn't rolled sixes with every move, but for the most part he's done a very very good job. It's just when you have an organization that was absolutely futile for the 4 seasons prior and wasn't developing talent of its own, it's harder to rebuild than most people think.

And EVEN WITH THAT, if it weren't for injuries the O-Line would be much better than it is now.

Rich..........

I agree totally. What people seem to forget that this was one of the worst teams - talent-wise - in the league when Bill took over. What a HELL of a job he did in '03 to get in the playoffs. QC screwed us in '04. And this year, we have been in everygame sans the Wash. debacle. AND we still can get in the playoffs by winning out (with a little help from the NYG).

Let's see how this whole thing plays out over the next two weeks. And once the offseason gets here, I'm sure we'll address the O-line via FA and the draft.

 

[djmajestik]

Well, how long should we wait? 3, 4, or 5? All I want is a team that plays more consistent when it matters (Nov and Dec like Bill said) and a team that doesn't give up. What I saw against the skins was so far from that it isn't funny. They got beat on every part of their game, it is a bit frustrating to see the complete lack of effort.

Bill said you are what you are, and after 3 years we are a middle of the road .500 team. Is this what all of you envisioned for the future? I expected more.

Also, when building a team, Bill has always stressed building from the line back. But he has built this team in reverse trying to win now. You don't think that we as fans would have suffered a bad first or even second year to have the lines rebuilt first, then adding in your stars to "put you over the top"?

Now I am not one completely against Bill, but I am starting to wonder which direction this team is heading going into the future. I at least need something positive to hang my hat on, and last week I didn't see it (FROM ANYONE).

So I guess going with a Rookie RT and having poor depth at the line is not really building the way I'd like to see it.

But what do I know.....

GO COWBOYS!

 

[wxcpo]

I was the person that said Tucker and Pettiti were "turnstyles." But even with that comment, I think Parcells has far from failed the fans.

This team was 5-11 for three years straight before Parcells came along. Now they are 25-22. That's going from a .313 winning percentage to a .532 winning percentage.

This team is actually somewhat disciplined and doesn't get in off the field troubles, which is night and day from beforehand. Oh yeah, they show up in shape for training camp, which is nice.

Let's look at the players he's drafted (or undrafted) that he's developed:

Witten (Pro Bowler, only 23 years old)

Julius

Barber

Tyson Thompson

Patrick Crayton

Canty

Spears

Thomas Johnson (only played one game, but I've got a feeling he's going to be real good...but take it for what you will)

Ratliff

Bradie James

Ware

Newman

Reeves

McBriar

Sure, the O-Line has been a problem. In fact, if you were going to point fingers you could take a look at Jerrah and Larry Lacewell who were horrible at drafting O-Linemen in the past 5 years and the draft that really failed at getting O-Linemen (2004 when we took Rogers and Petermann), Lacewell was the head scout for that. Even still, they wound up getting Crayton, Reeves, and Julius Jones out of that deal...along with the Bills' first round pick.

Parcells hasn't rolled sixes with every move, but for the most part he's done a very very good job. It's just when you have an organization that was absolutely futile for the 4 seasons prior and wasn't developing talent of its own, it's harder to rebuild than most people think.

And EVEN WITH THAT, if it weren't for injuries the O-Line would be much better than it is now.

Rich..........

Ok so you relieve Parcells of the failure to improve the offensive line yet give him all the credit for the guys you named above. It doesn't work that way, he receives all the credit and blame or he gets none of it. He was the one who wanted total control, remember he needs to be able to buy the groceries if he's gonna have to cook the dinner.

Plus I'll give you Witten and Newman off that list. The others haven't proven anything yet. In fact if you ask me I still say Parcells made a huge mistake in passing on Steven Jackson at taking Julius Jones, he has proven nothing other than he is injury prone. He may develope into a servicable back at some point, but he surely hasn't shown me much more than that in 2 seasons.

 

[Juke99]

Ok so you relieve Parcells of the failure to improve the offensive line yet give him all the credit for the guys you named above. It doesn't work that way, he receives all the credit and blame or he gets none of it. He was the one who wanted total control, remember he needs to be able to buy the groceries if he's gonna have to cook the dinner.

Plus I'll give you Witten and Newman off that list. The others haven't proven anything yet. In fact if you ask me I still say Parcells made a huge mistake in passing on Steven Jackson at taking Julius Jones, he has proven nothing other than he is injury prone. He may develope into a servicable back at some point, but he surely hasn't shown me much more than that in 2 seasons.

BINGO. We all seemed pretty excited about that 2002 draft. "Jerry finally figured out the draft"...how does that draft look now?

No sense in debating the point. It's all conjecture.

There are those of us who believe that Parcells will never bring this team back to elite status....or earn his HUGE $5 million per year...there are those who feel the opposite.

Only time will tell.

I'll be rooting against myself...

 

[kdog]

Ok! here is the skinny!
BP has brought in a good class of players, Witten,jj,mbIII,ware,spears ratliff,canty, this is a fact,

Follow me closely here BP is also responsible for Retaining zimmer, payton, dehaven and sporano and several other useless coaches. HE brought in peterman, gourode,johnson, he raved about stewart and several other bust and claimed he was happy with his team They were horrible and he says well i ,misjudged the team.

He continues to play the 80's giants football phylosophy which is ineffective. He had chances to put teams away early and refused to open the playbook leaving teams the chance to kill us! When will some of you blame this man for something. He decided not to bring in a proven free safety or veteran offensive line men and it is killing us now!

i'm not saying he is the blame for everything however, He did buy the groceries and as he says you are what your record says you are! 3 years 1 game over 500. Hey! he has one more year to run his same old system and we still do not have a QB for the future.

here is your chance to tell us how parcells is not at fault here!

 

[Sarge]

It's flatout scary regarding the impatience around here.

I'm sure it'll be worse after they lose to Carolina.....

 

[Juke99]

It's flatout scary regarding the impatience around here.

I'm sure it'll be worse after they lose to Carolina.....

shooooo....go away....aren't you only supposed to be here in the morning?

 

[big dog cowboy]

I am not bashing BP here.

Its just that. He brings in these old QB's of his past.

Did you forget about our 2nd round pick from a few years ago that was supposed to be our starting QB right now? You gonna blame that one on BP as well? Don't forget about Romo and Henson. They weren't ready. How many options you realistically believe were left if your draft pick, #2 and #3 QB's can't get it done???

 

[DallasKnight]

BP came here with a 4 year plan. Let's see how the team works next year before you throw him into the LOSER column ok? Except for a very odd year his second year (we did WAY over expectations and much better than our talent should have allowed), he is right on schedule if we make the playoffs this year.

 

[Concord]

BP came here with a 4 year plan. Let's see how the team works next year before you throw him into the LOSER column ok? Except for a very odd year his second year (we did WAY over expectations and much better than our talent should have allowed), he is right on schedule if we make the playoffs this year.

How do you know that?

I say he came he with a 3 year plan and he's blown it!

After all...He's said he's too old to lose...or...whatever...4 years is too long!

 

[vicjagger]

Can we just be a little patient?

Uh, the guy is 2 games short of completing 75% of his contract. How long are we supposed to wait?

Oh yea, he's also on the verge of orchestrating the biggest collapse in Cowboys' history. From 7-3 to potentially out of the playoffs.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I hear ya and agree

Well, how long should we wait? 3, 4, or 5? All I want is a team that plays more consistent when it matters (Nov and Dec like Bill said) and a team that doesn't give up. What I saw against the skins was so far from that it isn't funny. They got beat on every part of their game, it is a bit frustrating to see the complete lack of effort.
THIS IS VERY DISTURBING TO ME GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE MATCH UP WELL AGAINST SKINS

Bill said you are what you are, and after 3 years we are a middle of the road .500 team. Is this what all of you envisioned for the future? I expected more. AFTER 3 YEARS WE ARE A .500 TEAM. That will not due. WE ARE THE DALLAS COWBOYS NOT ANOTHER NFL TEAM

Also, when building a team, Bill has always stressed building from the line back. But he has built this team in reverse trying to win now. You don't think that we as fans would have suffered a bad first or even second year to have the lines rebuilt first, then adding in your stars to "put you over the top"? WHEN HAS "WIN NOW" EVER WORKED FOR ANY TEAM???

Now I am not one completely against Bill, but I am starting to wonder which direction this team is heading going into the future. I at least need something positive to hang my hat on, and last week I didn't see it (FROM ANYONE).

So I guess going with a Rookie RT and having poor depth at the line is not really building the way I'd like to see it.
I SHARE THE SAME SENTIMENT.

GO COWBOYS!

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Uh, the guy is 2 games short of completing 75% of his contract. How long are we supposed to wait?

Oh yea, he's also on the verge of orchestrating the biggest collapse in Cowboys' history. From 7-3 to potentially out of the playoffs.

ITS OK TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS.

 

[wxcpo]

Ok! here is the skinny!
BP has brought in a good class of players, Witten,jj,mbIII,ware,spears ratliff,canty, this is a fact,

While I agree with the rest of what you wrote I do have to say one thing about your above statement. Parcells brought in a good group of players who have very good potential. JJ hasn't done squat this season actually regressing from his rookie year and if nothing else causing doubt, at least for me. Many people on this board were ready last season to annoint JJ as the second coming of Emmitt, but I have maintained a wait and see attitude, still thinking Parcells passed up on our francise back (Steven Jackson). MBIII has shown flashes, but JJ did so last season and refer to my statement about JJ. Barber has looked better than JJ, but that's really not hard to do given JJ's play on the field. Ratliff remains to be seen, he has played 4 games only and didn't do much in those games.

Witten is a given, he has proven himself. I agree that Ware, Spears and Canty will probably turn out to be very good players for us. JJ, MBIII and Ratliff remain question marks IMO.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Ok! here is the skinny!
He continues to play the 80's giants football phylosophy which is ineffective. He had chances to put teams away early and refused to open the playbook leaving teams the chance to kill us! When will some of you blame this man for something. He decided not to bring in a proven free safety or veteran offensive line men and it is killing us now!

i'm not saying he is the blame for everything however, He did buy the groceries and as he says you are what your record says you are! 3 years 1 game over 500. Hey! he has one more year to run his same old system and we still do not have a QB for the future.

Alot of good points in this post.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Now either he doesn't get it, or it's just been bad luck every year.

I gotta go with bad luck

 

[Bob Sacamano]

But what do I know.....

apparently, not much

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Uh, the guy is 2 games short of completing 75% of his contract. How long are we supposed to wait?

Oh yea, he's also on the verge of orchestrating the biggest collapse in Cowboys' history. From 7-3 to potentially out of the playoffs.

did Parcells orchestrate the injuries to Flozell, Henry, and Crayton?

 

[scottsp]

He did not orchestrate these injuries, but they happen. And we will lose important guys again next season. And the next.

That said, I don't believe Bill has failed us - yet. I don't know how long his plan will take, if it even succeeds. And he, at times, drives me absolutely bonkers. But the direction of the team is obvious. Four years ago, the roster was an absolute joke. It was not flush with NFL quality personnel. This team is in a much better state today than it was prior to Jerrah naming him head coach.

I want a sixth Lombardi Trophy as bad as anyone. Considering where this team has been over the past decade, I'll settle for baby steps so long as they're in the right direction.

 

[Asklesko]

Can we just be a little patient?

Well, he's had three years to rebuild the o-line. I guess you can call that patient. Are you satisfied with Stephen Peterman, Torrin Tucker, Jacob Rogers, Ryan Young, Rob Petitte, Larry Allen (who needs replacing soon), Marco Rivera, "False Start" Flozell Adams, Marc Colombo, Ben Noll, Matt Lehr, Kurt Vollers... Need I go on naming the losers Parcells has taken a chance on?