Bill Parcells on Mike & Mike... Cancelled

[khiladi]

And what's the excuse for 2002?

It was Jerry's mess all along, but it was far from cleaned up .. which is why Parcells had to completely rehaul 90% of the roster he inherited from The Jerry and Larry Show.

Once again, do you want to touch The Jerry and Larry Show drafts?

1.

Quite making excuses. You claimed that Jerry wasn't impacted by salary cap hell before Parcells got here. The exact opposite was the case. Dallas was in the absolute worst position in the league.

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If you notice in thet quote, the reason for the salary cap was hell was because Dallas was extending player contracts. Jerry stopped doing this by the time Parcells got here, meaning the roster was going to be re-hauled anyways with the death of these contracts no matter the coach.. Dallas was drafting prior to Parcells in the context of all these aging players. A year before Parcells got here, Jerry got rid of his favorite player, Troy AIkman, which showed that he had finally thrown off the remnants of the aging dynasty.

Plus, that 90 percent is a number you drummed up, without any proof. That rehauling was part of the rehauling of Valley Ranch as a whole.

3.

Once again, do you want to touch The Jerry and Larry Show drafts?

So what was the excused for Parcells in 2004-2006? You know the years he placed 'his stamp' on the Cowboys, switching over to his version of offense and defense and going with his own coaching staff, that same staff that went to Miami. Let us not forget about the fact that he brought in aging veterans. They brought enough wins to make Dallas look somewhat more respectable. Whoppity-doo for them. It was akin to taping a wound with masking tape. Parcells ran away because he didn't have faith in his own roster...

He is lucky Romo came in and made his exit somewhat more respectable than it was going to be. I just loved the look on Parcells face when he took out Bledose. If it was his choice, Bledsoe, the statue would still be in. And how about his look in Carolina prior to the second-half. Even his own ex-players were wondering what the hell was going on and flew down to root him on. ANd don't forget TO, the WR that Parcells didn't want, who is still here and contributed to the explosion that was the Dallas offense in 2007. DOn't get me started on how he was using Witten primarily as a blocking back, until Romo started to actally throw the ball to thim. I especially love those draft picks of Reeves and Nate Jones. Those key weaknesses that left the Dallas defense susceptible all of last year. Dallas had to draft Mike Jenkins and get Pacman after the fact to deal with these issues. ANd Dallas has finally gotten rid of that atrocious staff and sent off players that were clear weaknesses. Akin Ayodele sucked and guess what? Parcells took him... Dallas replaced him with Zach Thomas, who even at this age is way ahead, light years ahead, of the LB corps that is now in Miami. Keith Davis, sucked as a safety. Where was he picked up? Miami... Hell, Bradie James had to lose how many pounds of where Parcells wanted him? And how much better was he last year than with Parcells...

You make it sound like Parcells should get all the credit for the Dallas turn-around ignoring moves like Leonard Davis and Spencer taken after the fact.

 

[Kilyin]

Parcells improved the talent of the team enormously while he was here,

Isn't that a head coach's job? And really, I don't see where Parcells drafts were all that spectacular honestly. He made alot of mistakes. I don't know if it's entirely true, but I've read Parcells wanted to draft Spears before Ware too, easily one of the best acquisitions made during his coaching tenure here. Also can't guarantee the accuracy of this, but I heard it was Sean Payton who was really high on Romo, not Parcells. Of course, everyone will say Jerry forced Drew Henson on Parcells, but I think they both share the blame for that one.

I don't have ANY problem with the coaching he did. I've heard many comments to the effect that he should have blitzed more. The safety play (a misnomer if there ever was one) was so bad other teams would've been ringing up TDs like crazy if they would've blitzed more.

Not sure where you were, but Roy Williams had some of his best seasons under Parcells. Nobody knew Woodson was going to retire either. I'm not going to rehash that here though.

Personally I fault his coaching for playing conservatively and not utilizing the talent he had (got rid of Galloway after Jerry pissed away two first rounders on him, and brings in Keyshawn), and he completely missed the boat with TO. Not only by his interactions with Owens, but his failure again to utilize him on the field.

Bottom line - 9-7, 10-6.

 

[Juke99]

I'm so proud of myself. I've read an entire thread about Parcells and haven't posted a single word. :zipit:

 

[Hostile]

I'm so proud of myself. I've read an entire thread about Parcells and haven't posted a single word. :zipit:

How deep are the lacerations on your tongue from biting it and how many stitches do you figure you'll need?

 

[Juke99]

How deep are the lacerations on your tongue from biting it and how many stitches do you figure you'll need?

I simply repeated to myself "pins and needles, needles and pins...it's a happy man that grins" then I counted to ten and asked myself what I was mad about...then I did this...:abuseme:

OK...trivia question...where did the "pins and needles..." comment come from?

 

[NextGenBoys]

I have to say I still like BP and still feel he was the right man at the right time for the Cowboys. In the end he was unable to achieve all he wanted but I do think he played a role in the changing of this team and think we are better off because he was part of the organization.

Agree 100%. I was bitter about Parcells when he was here, and even part of last year, but I still like him as a HC. He is out of touch with players, but his eye for talent, and ability to instill work ethic into players is incredible. The work ethic that you always hear about from everyone on this team is instilled because of him.

That being said, he won his Super Bowls because of Belichick. That and every stop he was at, he decreased in production. He won 2 SB's with the Giants, then got to a Super Bowl with NE, got to the AFC title game with NYJ, and then didnt win a playoff game here. He is a great head coach, but even better talent evaluator and ability to motivate and instill work ethic.

 

[Doomsday101]

Agree 100%. I was bitter about Parcells when he was here, and even part of last year, but I still like him as a HC. He is out of touch with players, but his eye for talent, and ability to instill work ethic into players is incredible. The work ethic that you always hear about from everyone on this team is instilled because of him.

That being said, he won his Super Bowls because of Belichick. That and every stop he was at, he decreased in production. He won 2 SB's with the Giants, then got to a Super Bowl with NE, got to the AFC title game with NYJ, and then didnt win a playoff game here. He is a great head coach, but even better talent evaluator and ability to motivate and instill work ethic.

I think this organization needed someone to rattle their cage. No doubt BP ways can wear thin on a team but given the way things were going I think having BP in here shaking things up was a good thing for the Cowboys

 

[Chief]

Parcells is going to be on the Jim Rome Show (radio) tomorrow also.

Which sounds to me like he's selling something. When these heavy hitters make the talk show circuit, there's usually a charity or some merchandise behind it.

 

[Juke99]

Parcells is going to be on the Jim Rome Show (radio) tomorrow also.

Which sounds to me like he's selling something. When these heavy hitters make the talk show circuit, there's usually a charity or some merchandise behind it.

Maybe they all offer free lunches. Or a George Foreman grilling machine as a thank you for being a guest.

 

[Chief]

Maybe they all offer free lunches. Or a George Foreman grilling machine as a thank you for being a guest.

Radio interviewer: "Enough about the Dolphins. Coach, tell us why you're here."

Parcells: "Well, lookit, some guys have big boobies, ya know? I've got a nice rack myself, okay? Well, we're promoting a new product called the Manzier, also known as the Bro. In layman's terms, it's a bra for the fellas, okay?"

 

[Juke99]

Radio interviewer: "Enough about the Dolphins. Coach, tell us why you're here."

Parcells: "Well, lookit, some guys have big boobies, ya know? I've got a nice rack myself, okay? Well, we're promoting a new product called the Manzier, also known as the Bro. In layman's terms, it's a bra for the fellas, okay?"

:worthy:

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

 

[InmanRoshi]

blah, blah, blah .. no I don't want to touch The Jerry and Larry Show drafts with a 10 foot pole, so I'm not even going to come close to addressing it.

You could have saved yourself a lot of typing

Do you really want to go up and down this year's projected starting lineup and count up how many players were drafted or obtained during the Parcells era?

 

[CrazyCowboy]

BP let me down I know that much!

 

[Kilyin]

You could have saved yourself a lot of typing

Do you really want to go up and down this year's projected starting lineup and count up how many players were drafted or obtained during the Parcells era?

So because they were drafted while he was here, he gets all the credit for them and you just take a big shart on Jerry's head (and the rest of the scouting department)? I guess Parcells was all alone in the war room during those drafts.

Does Parcells also get credit for all of NY and NE's starting lineup, since their coaches are "disciples" of Parcells? Just wanna understand the logic here.

I have a better game we can play, let's count all the players that were drafted while Parcells was here that aren't in the starting lineup this year... or does Jerry and the scouting department get the blame for those?

 

[InmanRoshi]

Every bust that was drafted under Parcells were supposedly all his fault, so it's only fair that he get all the credit for the ones that worked as well. Only the idiotic Parcells haters seem to play the game of picking and choosing what he gets credit for and what he doesnt' based on their idiotic bias.

No one has ever batted a 1.000 on draft picks for an extended sample, not even close. No one even comes close to batting .750 or even .500. The trouble is The Jerry and Larry Show weren't even batting .050. To deny Parcells' impact on this team is ridiculous. Parcells isn't "gone", his thumbprint and legacy will live with this team as long as guys like Witten, Romo and Ware are playing football. And whether anyone likes it or not, if this team wins a Superbowl he's going to get a lot of credit for building the team, as it should be.

The bottomline is that the blind Parcells haters on this board sound completely idiotic, and their viewpoints would be roundly laughed at by any objective person who knows anything about football for being an idiot ... as superpunk would say. He's a no-brainer First Ballot Hall of Famer, he's rebuilt four pathetic franchise when coaches are considered "great" for just rebuilding one. No coach in the history of the NFL has won Superbowls with two different franchises, and a lot of HOF'ers and great ones have tried and failed. If there were a "magic foolproof formula" out there then Jimmy Johnson would have won a Superbowls for the Dolphins, Lombardi would have won a Superbowls for the Commanders and Belichick would have won a Superbowls for the Browns. (Bill Walsh couldn't even repeat his success at a lesser level coaching in college). Parcells has come closer than any of them, which is why holding it against him that he couldn't accomplish what no one else has ever done is ridiculous.

 

[Hostile]

It always cracks me up that "objectivity" means you agree with ______________ (fill in the blank).

 

[InmanRoshi]

It always cracks me up that "objectivity" means you agree with ______________ (fill in the blank).

A no brainer, first ballot Hall of Fame resume and track record. (I filled in the blank).

 

[theebs]

We weren't 5-11 because of "salary cap hell". We were 5-11 for three straight years because we were in "We've had the worst draft record of any team in the last seven years by a considerable margin" hell.

I remember people saying Parcells was just being "too old school" when he cut Derek Ross. You can now find Derek Ross playing in your local state penal league. Or "too hardnosed" when it came to Antonio Bryant .. and how many teams has Antonio Bryant been kicked off of since? What's he doing now? Getting a 1 year tryout with the Official NFL Reclaimation Program also known as the Tampa Bay Bucs, competing for a spot with David Boston? It's funny how often Parcells has turned out to be right when he's been accused of being "too old school and hardnosed" on these matters.

Your wasting your time. I dont even bother with these threads anymore because 90% of the people who do only remember jacob rogers.

Then when you call them on something because most people dont know anything about parcells they say things like, well He drafted peterman and didnt want owens....high five...hes gone....high five.

its a waste of time. If people hate him cause he drafted jacob rogers and stephen peterman then they clearly cant even understand the level of change he brought this team.

and another thing, if anyone thinks he is going to bad mouth owens on the radio tomorrow they are wrong. He will just simply say something like well that is what he thinks and that is ok.

THe reality is all owens has to do is go a few lockers over and asked chris canty, jay ratliff, tony romo, terry glenn etc...how well he gets along with todays players..

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Every bust that was drafted under Parcells were supposedly all his fault, so it's only fair that he get all the credit for the ones that worked as well. Only the idiotic Parcells haters seem to play the game of picking and choosing what he gets credit for and what he doesnt' based on their idiotic bias.

No one has ever batted a 1.000 on draft picks for an extended sample, not even close. No one even comes close to batting .750 or even .500. The trouble is The Jerry and Larry Show weren't even batting .050. To deny Parcells' impact on this team is ridiculous. Parcells isn't "gone", his thumbprint and legacy will live with this team as long as guys like Witten, Romo and Ware are playing football. And whether anyone likes it or not, if this team wins a Superbowl he's going to get a lot of credit for building the team, as it should be.

The bottomline is that the blind Parcells haters on this board sound completely idiotic, and their viewpoints would be roundly laughed at by any objective person who knows anything about football for being an idiot ... as superpunk would say. He's a no-brainer First Ballot Hall of Famer, he's rebuilt four pathetic franchise when coaches are considered "great" for just rebuilding one. No coach in the history of the NFL has won Superbowls with two different franchises, and a lot of HOF'ers and great ones have tried and failed. If there were a "magic foolproof formula" out there then Jimmy Johnson would have won a Superbowls for the Dolphins, Lombardi would have won a Superbowls for the Commanders and Belichick would have won a Superbowls for the Browns. (Bill Walsh couldn't even repeat his success at a lesser level coaching in college). Parcells has come closer than any of them, which is why holding it against him that he couldn't accomplish what no one else has ever done is ridiculous.

He was on record saying that his first year the only pick he required was Al Johnson because he needed a center to anchor the line.

He fought for and got Jacob Rogers. this is well known.

He wanted to pick Spears over Ware which translates he thought Spears was better.

Skyler Green and the 50 other punt returners he drafted were a direct result of him repeatedly insisting we waste draft picks on returners.

Fasano- Al Groh.... give me a break

Bobby Carpenter is the son of one of his players.

each and every one of those picks can be laid directly at Parcells feet. You can try to him and haw all you want about he should get credit for the other picks but these aforementioned picks are clearly Parcells picks.

if you want to give him credit for Jay Ratliff, Jason Hatcher, Reeves and Jones etc then so be it but when it is clear that he was the person most responsible for having a player drafted more often then not they would have been busts. Hes not even batting .250 on that count.

Parcless instilled a work ethic in Valley Ranch that hasnt been seen since Switzer destroyed it over a decade ago. For that i thank him because from an institutional standpoint, this is exactly what this team needed.

On the other hand, his inability to adapt to the current game and intractability when dealing with new schemes he did not understand were things that needed to go. That and his bringing in every scrub retread he thinks is one of 'his guys,' and reaching for OL/KR/Players from friends and relatives can stay away too.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He wanted to pick Spears over Ware which translates he thought Spears was better.

:laugh2: huge myth right there

he needed an anchor for his 3-4, which is a 2-gap scheme where the 3-down linemen tie up the blockers so the LBs can make plays

it had nothing to do w/ who he thought was better, I mean afterall, he made the LT comparison soon thereafter, one of the most dominant defensive players ever