Bill Parcells on Mike & Mike... Cancelled

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We weren't 5-11 because of "salary cap hell". We were 5-11 for three straight years because we were in "We've had the worst draft record of any team in the last seven years by a considerable margin" hell.

I remember people saying Parcells was just being "too old school" when he cut Derek Ross. You can now find Derek Ross playing in your local state penal league. Or "too hardnosed" when it came to Antonio Bryant .. and how many teams has Antonio Bryant been kicked off of since? What's he doing now? Getting a 1 year tryout with the Official NFL Reclaimation Program also known as the Tampa Bay Bucs, competing for a spot with David Boston? It's funny how often Parcells has turned out to be right when he's been accused of being "too old school and hardnosed" on these matters.

Saying that the salary cap restrictions we faced following the retirement of Aikman the untimely end to Irvin, the jettison of Sander and a myriad of other dead money is nonsense. of course the drafts were bad but we had to let corners, WR, OL, DL, LB etc go because of the cap situation.

As for the draft, the Galloway trade and subsequent leg injury screwed us.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:laugh2: huge myth right there

he needed an anchor for his 3-4, which is a 2-gap scheme where the 3-down linemen tie up the blockers so the LBs can make plays

it had nothing to do w/ who he thought was better, I mean afterall, he made the LT comparison soon thereafter, one of the most dominant defensive players ever

Regardless of how you want to explain it he still flet that Spears was the more 'important' player. You can argue semantics all day long. At the end of the day , if it was up to Bill Ware would not be a Cowboy.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Regardless of how you want to explain it he still flet that Spears was the more 'important' player. You can argue semantics all day long. At the end of the day , if it was up to Bill Ware would not be a Cowboy.

it's not semantics, you made crap up, I'm telling you how it actually went down

it's not bolstering your argument

I'll put my 2 cents in, but w/o Bill, I don't think we would be in this position that we are today

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

it's not semantics, you made crap up, I'm telling you how it actually went down

it's not bolstering your argument

I'll put my 2 cents in, but w/o Bill, I don't think we would be in this position that we are today

/yawn

Puff that internet chest up more summer.

Do you even understand what semanitics means? Youre saying Parcells thought he was more important. i am saying he thought he was better. If you cannot understand what i am saying and how it boils down to the semantics of the word 'important' versus 'better' then so be it although i am not surprised.

I repeat at the end of the day, if it was up to Bill, Ware would not be a Cowboy today.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

/yawn

Puff that internet chest up more summer.

pff, whatever dude

Do you even understand what semanitics means?

yeah, it's the meaning, interpretation, what have you, of a word or phrases

Youre saying Parcells thought he was more important. i am saying he thought he was better.

this is where you fail, because Parcells didn't think he was better, but that the position he played was more important in making his scheme work

If you cannot understand what i am saying and how it boils down to the semantics of the word 'important' versus 'better' then so be it although i am not surprised.

lol if all else fails...

I repeat at the end of the day, if it was up to Bill, Ware would not be a Cowboy today.

but not because he was an idiot and made a stupid talent evaluation, which you wrongly claim

incidentally or not





bottomine: his decision to take Spears over Ware was based on need, not talent

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

pff, whatever dude



yeah, it's meaning, interpretation, what have you



this is where you fail, because Parcells didn't think he was better, the position that he played was more important in making his scheme work



lol if all else fails...



but not because he was an idiot and made a stupid talent evaluation, which you wrongly claim

incidentally or not

First off he also talked about how Spears would be the disruptive penetrating force that he never was but that is neither here notr there because at the end of the day you are making a strawman.

Where did I talk about talent evaluation? Find it please. I said he made stupid draft picks. Picking Spears over Ware would have been stupid. There is more that goes into the draft then talent evaluation like prioritizing and understanding other teams draft needs and slotting.

really the only place i think he is horrid at evaluating talent is on the offensive line. but Parcells isnt very good at drafting and Miami can have fun with that.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

First off he also talked about how Spears would be the disruptive penetrating force that he never was but that is neither here notr there

it means either here nor there because that's not saying that he thinks Spears is better

Where did I talk about talent evaluation? Find it please.

saying he thinks Spears was better than Ware is making a determination of his talent evaluation

I said he made stupid draft picks. Picking Spears over Ware would have been stupid. There is more that goes into the draft then talent evaluation like prioritizing and understanding other teams draft needs and slotting.

no kidding, that's why he wanted Spears over Ware

need

not because he thought he was better than Ware (what you said), but thanks for getting it now

really the only place i think he is horrid at evaluating talent is on the offensive line. but Parcells isnt very good at drafting and Miami can have fun with that.

Miami can have fun w/ him, and I'm glad that he was here

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

it means either here nor there because that's not saying that he thinks Spears is better



saying he thinks Spears was better than Ware is making a determination of his talent evaluation



no kidding, that's why he wanted Spears over Ware

need

not because he thought he was better than Ware (what you said), but thanks for getting it now



Miami can have fun w/ him, and I'm glad that he was here

Better can imply many things other than just talent but you keep trying there bucko.

For example, the statement Parcells thought Spears to be a better pick than Ware would be accurate even under your interpretation.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

you said he thought spears was better

glad that you're now switching it around to saying he thought Spears was the better PICK, AFTER I explained to you that he made that determination based on the position he played, which was key in his scheme

lol at you acting like that's what you meant all along

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

you said he thought spears was better

glad that you're now switching it around to saying he thought Spears was the better pick when I explained to you that he made that determination based on the position he played, which was key in his scheme

lol at you acting like that's what you meant all along

youre the only one that ever said anything about talent. i never did.

youre boring me again, summer. i never said talent and you should have figured out what i meant when i said youre arguing the semantics of the words i mentioned before. but hey keep on trying and maybe eventually you will have a point.

what is being lost here is i was trying to convey was that Parcells was not good in the draft. Youre interpretation of Parcells views on Ware based on statements he said that TC notwithstanding.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

youre the only one that ever said anything about talent. i never did.

then you should be more clear w/ what you were trying to convey

because the term better in this instance has more than 1 meaning

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

then you should be more clear w/ what you were trying to convey

because the term better in this instance has more than 1 meaning

saying "he wanted to take Spears over Ware, so he thought he was better" sounds alot like you're trying to say that he thought that Spears was the better talent

Who gives a damn?

My point was that Parcells didnt draft well when he was the primary factor behind a pick. Your red herring detracts nothing from that.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Who gives a damn?

I thought it was important to have your facts straight and to be clear? guess it's not w/ you

My point was that Parcells didnt draft well when he was the primary factor behind a pick. Your red herring detracts nothing from that.

you do know that it was a draft-by-committee approach, right?

btw, Jerry has said on numerous occasions that the final stroke has always been taken by him

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I thought it was important to have your facts straight and to be clear? guess it's not w/ you



you do know that it was a draft-by-committee approach, right?

btw, Jerry has said on numerous occasions that the final stroke has always been taken by him

Again youre boring me Mr Strawman. Do you understand what the word PRIMARY means.

Your diction is pathetic. Go read a book and get back to me.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Again youre boring me Mr Strawman. Do you understand what the word PRIMARY means.

:laugh2: are you kidding me? how can Parcells be the primary factor when Jerry says he ok'd all the final decisions?

Your diction is pathetic. Go read a book and get back to me.

when all else fails, resort to lame insults

go read a book? wow, that's heady stuff right thurrr

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:laugh2: are you kidding me?



when all else fails, resort to lame insults

No its a statement based on observable fact. PRIMARY implies that there are SECONDARY causative factors. Thats why your statement about how there are multiple people in the decision making process was stupid and redundant.

Thus me stating your grasp of words is pathetic. I doubt you understand eveen now what i was talking about concerning the semantics of the words 'better' and 'important.'

 

[Bob Sacamano]

No its a statement based on observable fact. PRIMARY implies that there are SECONDARY causative factors. Thats why your statement about how there are multiple people in the decision making process was stupid and redundant.

I didn't say it was a committee approach

both Bill and Jerry did, "give and take relationship", remember that?

you do know that multiple people can work together to reach a decision, right? discuss ideas? you must be very limited, or noone likes working w/ you, which wouldn't suprise me

Thus me stating your grasp of words is pathetic. I doubt you understand eveen now what i was talking about concerning the semantics of the words 'better' and 'important.'

dude, you didn't state what situation better applied to

you just said better and left the interpretation up to me, what the hell else am I supposed to do when in that instance, better had 2 meanings, better pick or better player? read your very, limited mind?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I didn't say it was a committee approach

both Bill and Jerry did

you do know that multiple people can work together to reach a decision, right? you must be very limited, or noone likes working w/ you, which wouldn't suprise me



dude, you didn't state what situation better applied to

you just said better and left the interpretation up to me, what the hell else am I supposed to do when in that instance, better had 2 meanings, better pick or better player?

So the right choice when you aren't sure is to make an assumption and attempt to bash me because of it even if you may be wrong? thats nice summer.

Perhaps you should go and read my original post. i clearly stated particular reasons why i felt that the picks were primarily because of Parcells. I will quote them here because you obvioulsy have no interest in what I actually said.

He was on record saying that his first year the only pick he required was Al Johnson because he needed a center to anchor the line.

He fought for and got Jacob Rogers. this is well known.

He wanted to pick Spears over Ware which translates he thought Spears was better.

Skyler Green and the 50 other punt returners he drafted were a direct result of him repeatedly insisting we waste draft picks on returners.

Fasano- Al Groh.... give me a break

Bobby Carpenter is the son of one of his players.

But hey summer you have the last word. im bored with your juvenile attempts to show me up.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So the right choice when you aren't sure is to make an assumption and attempt to bash me because of it even if you may be wrong? thats nice summer.

lol, I stopped once you finally became clear w/ what you meant

Perhaps you should go and read my original post. i clearly stated particular reasons why i felt that the picks were primarily because of Parcells. I will quote them here because you obvioulsy have no interest in what I actually said.

Parcells can't have primary picks because they were all made by Jerry

But hey summer you have the last word. im bored with your juvenile attempts to show me up.

quit playing the martyr

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

lol, I stopped once you finally became clear w/ what you meant



Parcells can't have primary picks because they were all made by Jerry



quit playing the martyr

Dear god youre irritating.

If Jerry makes all the picks then rationalize how Jerry got outvoted concerning trading up for Henry versus standing pat for Bennett.

And I am not playing martyr. Arguing with you is akin to arguing with a 14 year old. At this point you are more interested in trying to show me wrong in something than anything else.