Bill Parcells on Mike & Mike... Cancelled

[Bob Sacamano]

Done what?

rebuild 4 losers and take them to the playoffs

 

[Hostile]

Done what?

I assume taken 4 different teams to the post season.

 

[theebs]

I do too, but again much of that was his choice. I don't believe Jerry ever denied him anything he wanted. Most of all I still can't get the 2006 playoff loss out of my craw. I just consider it a stupid game plan not to attack that depleted secondary until they rolled over and played dead. The players constantly begged him to take the brakes off and every time we did the team responded, and he would immediately get neurotic and slam on the breaks again.

That seattle loss was tough on everyone. I would love to have had a shot at the bears. I dont think Jerry denied him anything he either, but I do think Jerry forced a couple of agreements on him because of that, like henson and eddie george. Not a big deal though.

I still am not sure they didnt have a game plan to attack seattle as much as the offense just wasnt good that day. It seemed to me when we tried to throw the ball we just did not do much. You can put that on bill and anyone else involved in the team players and coaches.

 

[superpunk]

No, you can't hire an idiot GM (or be one yourself in the case of Crazy Al) and expect to get any results.

Doesn't mean that plenty of others couldn't do it, though.

Actually I'm pretty sure that's exactly what it means.

Otherwise, everybody would be doing it.

 

[Hostile]

That seattle loss was tough on everyone. I would love to have had a shot at the bears. I dont think Jerry denied him anything he either, but I do think Jerry forced a couple of agreements on him because of that, like henson and eddie george. Not a big deal though.

I still am not sure they didnt have a game plan to attack seattle as much as the offense just wasnt good that day. It seemed to me when we tried to throw the ball we just did not do much. You can put that on bill and anyone else involved in the team players and coaches.

If a backup QB and a RB sunk his battleship then how strong was he really?

More than almost anything in our History the Seattle game plan irks the hell out of me. I won't deny this. Anyone who tells me they were 100% on board with that is either a fool or a liar.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Parcells' greatest accomplishment in Dallas was making Larry Lacewell uncomfortable enough to leave Valley Ranch.

Parcells should get a street named after him for that.

And this, above all else, is worthy of being thankful for IMO.


I will never understand how Lacewell has survived so many coaching tenures. It's amazing to me.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I'm talking more as a GM than as a coach... I thought we were talking about his team-building skills.

And most successful personnel people aren't the incurable nomad that Parcells is, either. Belichick (or Pioli), or Ron Wolf, or Mike Holmgren, or plenty of others could probably turn around teams if they wanted to quit every few years and move to a new situation. But usually, winners stay where they are.

I can't wait for some of the Parcells fan club's spidey sense to go off and come call me an idiot mindless Parcells hater, but I don't hate Parcells. Like I've said a billion times, I love a lot of what he stands for, even if I sometimes don't agree with his methods. I just think he's too often ascribed unique godlike powers that are unjustified.

Actually I'm pretty sure that's exactly what it means.

Otherwise, everybody would be doing it.

Why all the exaggeration? I never said "anyone" could do what he does, or that "everybody" should be able to do what he does.

 

[superpunk]

I still am not sure they didnt have a game plan to attack seattle as much as the offense just wasnt good that day. It seemed to me when we tried to throw the ball we just did not do much. You can put that on bill and anyone else involved in the team players and coaches.

I think most of all you can put it on the golden boy, Tony Romo.

He was tight. He was afraid to cut it loose. Having an amazing screen call to Terry Glenn fumbled away didn't help any. In any case, I think any coach in the whole league who was getting that kind of production out of his RB, while watching his starting QB tense up and show fear in turning it loose downfield, would have done the exact same thing.

The game was too big for Tony. That much should be obvious to anyone who saw the game. Instead, it's "jeebus Pete Hunter was on the other side, we should have thrown downfield every play!1!!!!!111!" Whatever. Watch the game. Tony was bad - and looked scared.

 

[theebs]

His choice on this though. He was so neurotic about being the face of the team that he couldn't do whatever it took to keep Emmitt over Hambone.

Remember, no stars on this team? Then once we started acquiring stars he started losing interest.

That is as fair an assessment as I have seen to explain the success of 2003. I will concede this point to you with a tip of my hat for thinking of it.

I do too, but again much of that was his choice. I don't believe Jerry ever denied him anything he wanted. Most of all I still can't get the 2006 playoff loss out of my craw. I just consider it a stupid game plan not to attack that depleted secondary until they rolled over and played dead. The players constantly begged him to take the brakes off and every time we did the team responded, and he would immediately get neurotic and slam on the breaks again.

If a backup QB and a RB sunk his battleship then how strong was he really?

More than almost anything in our History the Seattle game plan irks the hell out of me. I won't deny this. Anyone who tells me they were 100% on board with that is either a fool or a liar.

I didnt mean those guys had any bearing on the results while he was here. What I meant was I believe jerry gave bill the full reign to do what he wanted with the personnel department and the personnell. However I also believe that if jerry had a pet peeve about someone he would go to bill and probably make it clear how he had full reign but that he really wanted this player....a nice way of telling bill to bad.

I think some of those players were henson and george. Again I dont think either player made a dimes worth of difference. Just saying the same way owens was brought in is the same way those guys were brought in.

and parcells probably used that same motive to get testaverde and bledsoe here. The two men mutually respected and liked each other and I think because of that they would from time to time concede something to one and other.

 

[superpunk]

I'm talking more as a GM than as a coach... I thought we were talking about his team-building skills.

We are. And it still holds. It's amazing that there are ANY bad teams in the entire league, with it being as easy to right the ship as you claim it is.

But it's not. And why? Because some people take Mike Williams, and some people take DeMarcus Ware. Let's revisit that draft on this forum and see where half of the people who could have done just as good a job as Parcells were leaning on that option.

 

[ndanger]

Actually I'm pretty sure that's exactly what it means.

Otherwise, everybody would be doing it.

uuhh, I know this one guy who owns a team and stuff, and like he is like really cool and stuff. Dude is like waay better than that almost dead guy Al.He rocks.Uuhhm when I like grow up and stuff, I'm gonna be on his team and what not. We are gonna rock !

 

[theebs]

I think most of all you can put it on the golden boy, Tony Romo.

He was tight. He was afraid to cut it loose. Having an amazing screen call to Terry Glenn fumbled away didn't help any. In any case, I think any coach in the whole league who was getting that kind of production out of his RB, while watching his starting QB tense up and show fear in turning it loose downfield, would have done the exact same thing.

The game was too big for Tony. That much should be obvious to anyone who saw the game. Instead, it's "jeebus Pete Hunter was on the other side, we should have thrown downfield every play!1!!!!!111!" Whatever. Watch the game. Tony was bad - and looked scared.

I agree with that. I dont know that he looked scared to me though. That is a bold way of putting it. He was definitely not sharp that is for sure. THe game was tight and then the craziness ensued. IF glenn doesnt fumble he may have run 60 yards and we may have put them away and no one would ever talk about the game plan, it would have been all about glenns big play and julius outstanding day. They were out of synch that is for sure.

In the first quarter right off the bat they were calling deep routes, glenn and witten were running deep paterns and romo was throwing it short thanks to the insanely deep safeties and the corners backing off. which explains julius big day.

anway, that is old news. No matter what they should have won that game.

 

[superpunk]

Why all the exaggeration? I never said "anyone" could do what he does, or that "everybody" should be able to do what he does.

I must have a different understanding of;

But that doesn't take amazing talent. All you have to do is not be a total frick-up.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

We are. And it still holds. It's amazing that there are ANY bad teams in the entire league, with it being as easy to right the ship as you claim it is.

But it's not. And why? Because some people take Mike Williams, and some people take DeMarcus Ware. Let's revisit that draft on this forum and see where half of the people who could have done just as good a job as Parcells were leaning on that option.

Again, not sure why all the hyperbole...

And I'm not sure I get your point. That Millen is an idiot and not in Parcells' league as a GM? Breaking news! :

I don't get why some people are so sensitive about Parcells. It's just a discussion.

Edit, And on the last post, just to be crystal clear -- I'm not saying anyone could coach four teams to playoff wins. I'm saying that it doesn't take amazing talent as a GM to build a horrible team into a pretty good team. Not sure why that seems like such an outrageous thing to say.

 

[superpunk]

I agree with that. I dont know that he looked scared to me though. That is a bold way of putting it. He was definitely not sharp that is for sure. THe game was tight and then the craziness ensued. IF glenn doesnt fumble he may have run 60 yards and we may have put them away and no one would ever talk about the game plan, it would have been all about glenns big play and julius outstanding day. They were out of synch that is for sure.

In the first quarter right off the bat they were calling deep routes, glenn and witten were running deep paterns and romo was throwing it short thanks to the insanely deep safeties and the corners backing off. which explains julius big day.

anway, that is old news. No matter what they should have won that game.

Which is another thing people refuse to understand about the way that game went. You just can't toss it deep against that umbrella coverage, no matter who the other team is trotting out. You've got to kill them underneath and force them to abandon that coverage. We couldn't do that quite well enough, and a few bad breaks went against us, and we lost. It's not rocket surgery.

You're right about how one play changed that perception and talking points from that game. If Glenn makes that play, there are no gripes about the gameplan.

 

[superpunk]

Again, not sure why all the hyperbole...

And I'm not sure I get your point. That Millen is an idiot and not in Parcells' league as a GM? Breaking news! :

I don't get why some people are so sensitive about Parcells. It's just a discussion.

Maybe I misunderstood your "it's so easy a caveman could do it" post - but I don't see how I could.

Don't play the "sensitive Parcells lover" card here. This is about your notion that all it takes is not being a total frick-up to turn these teams around.

I'd maintain that it's a much tougher job than you're willing to acknowledge. More needs to be done than just player acquisition. Tough cuts, changing the direction and attitude of ateam, having the patience to follow through on that new direction - they're rare qualities. It takes a little bit more than "not being a total frick-up" to pull that off - multiple times - which almost noone does.

 

[Hostile]

I didnt mean those guys had any bearing on the results while he was here. What I meant was I believe jerry gave bill the full reign to do what he wanted with the personnel department and the personnell. However I also believe that if jerry had a pet peeve about someone he would go to bill and probably make it clear how he had full reign but that he really wanted this player....a nice way of telling bill to bad.

I think some of those players were henson and george. Again I dont think either player made a dimes worth of difference. Just saying the same way owens was brought in is the same way those guys were brought in.

and parcells probably used that same motive to get testaverde and bledsoe here. The two men mutually respected and liked each other and I think because of that they would from time to time concede something to one and other.

Him not being okay with Owens is proof that maybe the original premise of the thread is exactly right, Owens said he was "out of touch."

He replaced a FOB here in Keyshawn Johnson and it gnawed at him. I personally find that to not be about the team very much and I don't respect it. Similar to his refusal to bench Bledsoe until it was staring him squarely in the face. Too attached to his players and his ways. I.E., out of touch.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

at least the forum isn't bashing Roy...

 

[superpunk]

Him not being okay with Owens is proof that maybe the original premise of the thread is exactly right, Owens said he was "out of touch."

He replaced a FOB here in Keyshawn Johnson and it gnawed at him. I personally find that to not be about the team very much and I don't respect it. Similar to his refusal to bench Bledsoe until it was staring him squarely in the face. Too attached to his players and his ways. I.E., out of touch.

Do you mind at all that you've identified with Terrell Owens opinion on whether a head coach is "in touch" with his players, when that opinion appears to be completely opposed to the opinions of guys like Tony Romo and Terrence Newman, who speak glowingly of the old man?

I would. As I said before, I guess Mooch and Reid were out of touch, too. Terrell Owens has been a great teammate and a great player here - but he's the last guy I'd ask for an opinion of how "in touch" his head coach is with the players. There are many times when I'm not quite sure Owens is in touch with this planet.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

plus TO clashed w/ Parcells

not exactly an unbiased perspective we're taking