Bill Parcells on Mike & Mike... Cancelled

[Bob Sacamano]

Dude better implies a hierarchy --good, better, best and all that-- and you can set any standard for said hierarchy.

if the hierarchy is based on importance then they are certainly interchangeable.

so if I said a Bentley is better than a Mercedez, it means that the Bentley is more important than a Mercedez?

again like I said, one does not automatically infer the other, but keep spinning

Parcells liked Spears better on that particular day.

But actually i did a bit of reseasrch.

as the better pick, because of need

 

[khiladi]

The epitome of Parcells' career in Dallas can be defined by his facial expression during the first game against the Giants of the 2006 season. If he had any faith in the direction of this franchise, he wouldn't have looked so shell-shocked.

There is a reason he left Dallas, and it surely wasn't because he built a franchise that he thought was going to win. It wasn't like he walked out of Valley Ranch with a big smile on his face, saying to himself, "My work is now done." He left with an e-mail in typical Parcells' fashion.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

so if I said a Bentley is better than a Mercedez, it means that the Bentley is more important than a Mercedez?

again like I said, one does not automatically infer the other, but keep spinning

[qutoe=FuzzyLumpkins]Parcells liked Spears better on that particular day.

But actually i did a bit of reseasrch.

YOU CAN SET ANY STANDARD FOR THE HIERARCHY THAT BETTER IMPLIES.

You keep acting like im setting a universal standard and have done no such thing. Like i said I knew you wouldnt be able to understand.

Oh and another thing, just because Parcells thought that Ware had the POTENTIAL to be as good as LT does not mean that he thought he was the better player at that point in time. He was throwing out verbage Spears WAS the prototype 3-4 DE and had top notch production in one of the nation's top programs too.

That leads me to believe that with his Spear's size he thought Spears the better player at that point in time as well.

 

[superpunk]

All i am saying is looking at 3 people all of which are polar and using that to judge is missing the forest for the sake of the trees.

look at a guy like Pat Watkins who had his confidence destroyed his rookie year or the general sentiment of the team which has been relayed to you over and over again.

Those are three examples. They are hardly the limit of supporting evidence.

On the other side, you have Owens, who thinks Bill is out of touch - just like Mooch and Reid were. I wonder how many here defended Reid when Owens threw a fit over not being able to wear tights in practice.

If Owens had said "Bill Parcells has a hard time dealing with a diva WR like me" then that would be fine. But he decided to take a broader brush to the situation. And when evaluating his opinion, I can't help but remember his history. Then I look at the other side, and see differing opinions by guys without that baggage.

I know which opinion I give more weight to. Some opt to side with the diva who can't seem to get along with any but the meekest of coaches, and that only for one season so far. God forbid we stop winning, or he becomes unhappy with his compensation before his contract expires. There's the whole forest.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

YOU CAN SET ANY STANDARD FOR THE HIERARCHY THAT BETTER IMPLIES.

You keep acting like im setting a universal standard and have done no such thing. Like i said I knew you wouldnt be able to understand.

better does not mean more important, only when used together

Oh and another thing, just because Parcells thought that Ware had the POTENTIAL to be as good as LT does not mean that he thought he was the better player at that point in time. He was throwing out verbage Spears WAS the prototype 3-4 DE and had top notch production in one of the nation's top programs too.

That leads me to believe that with his Spear's size he thought Spears the better player at that point in time as well.

you're an idiot

let's see, prototypical 3-4 DE, or Lawrence Taylor? hmmm, I wonder who he thinks is the better player

I don't know why you wasted so much time, when you're whole position has been that you think Parcells thought Spears was the better player

now we're back to where we started, you're a freakin' master of spin, and it's spelled verbiage

 

[InmanRoshi]

Parcells didn't treat his players all the same. Terrell Owens didn't show up for any offseason work when he signed with the Cowboys because he had "personal matters". Everyone else on the team attended. Terrell Owens got to ride a bike all training camp and pose for cameras in his constumes, even though he was running and catching routes seemingly full speed after practice. An undrafted free agent wouldn't have gotten away with that. He led the NFL in dropped passes, including a couple of game winners, but Parcells didn't bark at him one the way to the sidelines the way he would have barked at Patrick Crayton for the same screw ups.

Larry Allen just walked off the practice field in 2003 because he was too fat and out of shape to finish his position drills. An undrafted free agent wouldn't have gotten away with that. He was allowed to run his conditioning drills at practice by himself at a slower pace than the other players until he got into some semblance of playing shape. He never completely finished the conditioning test that every other player had to pass. He was given lots of preferential treatment because he was Larry Allen.

It's just that some players are SO high maintenance and SO thin skinned that they've demonstrated they can't take any kind of verbal reprimand without seeing it as a sign that they're being "disrespected". These are not "typical modern players". These are special cases, and they've probably had run ins with lots of their previous coaches. If Antonio Bryant is an example of "today's modern player", then it seems that no coach can deal with "today's modern player" because he had repeated problems with his coaches in college and he's pretty much been shown the door by every team he's played for in the NFL. Again, there is absolutely no organization in the NFL worth it's salt that would be happy with how Jason Taylor has treated his offseason. As far as I know, what Jason Taylor is doing is completely unprecedented. I know of two major professional sports athletes who have taken part on that show, Emmitt and Clyde Drexler, and they were both retired for several years with nothing else better to do and weren't being paid by professional organizations to be professional athletes. Parcells has given Taylor the choice ... play professional football with the Dolphins or retire and focus on your Hollywood career. Taylor thinks he's more special than everyone else and entitled to do both simultaneously, even though none of his other teammates are.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

better does not mean more important



you're an idiot

let's see, prototypical 3-4 DE, or Lawrence Taylor? hmmm, I wonder who he thinks is the better player

I was wondering when you would start using personal insults.

And really you shouldn't be calling anyone a moron. To be honest I see you displaying a lack of insight or ability to take simpler concepts and build them into greater ones. Your cognitive ability simply stops. But lets try this again.

Better doesn't mean more important in a universal sense that i correct. What it means is that something is higher in an arbitrary hierarchy. I didnt even bring in the idea that it implied talent or even importance. You did

The more i think about it, I got sucked into your insipid stupidity.

All I said was that Parcells liked Spears better. He did becasue he was going to pick him over Ware for whatever the reason. He was better in Parcells' hierarchy. I allowed you to twist that into something its not.

As for Parcells comments, he said Ware had the POTENTIAL to be LT. he didnt say that he WAS LT. What he did say was that Spears WAS the prototype DE. It comes down to the 1 in the hand is worth two in the bush arguemnt. Also measurables versus production.

I realize that for you to wrap your mind around it you have to simplify it down to LT versus prototype but its not that simple. but go ahead and try to call me a moron some more.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

let's use this for an example fuzzy

say Parcells was looking to draft offense, and he didn't have a LT or a QB, and he wanted to take the LT 1st to protect the QB, which is essentially the same thing he was doing when wanting to take Spears 1st over Ware, to protect him so he could get after the QB, and then says that the QB reminds him of Phil Simms and says the LT he drafted was a prototypical LT

would you still think the LT is the better player? I wouldn't

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I was wondering when you would start using personal insults.

And really you shouldn't be calling anyone a moron. To be honest I see you displaying a lack of insight or ability to take simpler concepts and build them into greater ones. Your cognitive ability simply stops. But lets try this again.

dude, you're the one having problems w/ simple concepts, you can't differentiate between better and more important, and are tying to wax intellectual to save face

it's not good to build something up that you don't understand, just stick w/ simple concepts, understand them, then work your way up, baby steps, man, baby steps

Better doesn't mean more important in a universal sense that i correct. What it means is that something is higher in an arbitrary hierarchy.

yet you didn't say that, I'm not a mind-reader

I didnt even bring in the idea that it implied talent or even importance. You did

you left that to interpretation because you were so vague

The more i think about it, I got sucked into your insipid stupidity.

All I said was that Parcells liked Spears better. He did becasue he was going to pick him over Ware for whatever the reason. He was better in Parcells' hierarchy. I allowed you to twist that into something its not.

that DE in his 3-4 was the greater need, because w/o the 3-down lineman in his scheme, the LBs won't be as effective? that's the basic 2-gap, 3-4 philosophy, pal

As for Parcells comments, he said Ware had the POTENTIAL to be LT. he didnt say that he WAS LT. What he did say was that Spears WAS the prototype DE.

so mentioning someone's potential to a HOFamer means he thinks the prototypical 3-4 DE, that doesn't impact a game as much as a HOFamer, is the better player?

It comes down to the 1 in the hand is worth two in the bush arguemnt. Also measurables versus production.

and Ware's measurables were better than Spears', his potential was greater

I realize that for you to wrap your mind around it you have to simplify it down to LT versus prototype but its not that simple. but go ahead and try to call me a moron some more.

I already did, and it's readily apparent that you are

 

[Nav22]

Was there a recap?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Was there a recap?

he chose to reschedule

 

[adamknite]

Was there a recap?

I think somewhere in all this mess, there is a post saying that he canceled.

 

[Stash]

Was there a recap?

I think Parcells cancelled.

 

[Hostile]

I'll change the thread title so people don't wade through the mud.

 

[TRUTH87]

I think Parcells cancelled.

did he send an e-mail or did he actually call?

 

[Hostile]

did he send an e-mail or did he actually call?

:laugh2:

If it was an e-mail would you say he was out of touch?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

did he send an e-mail or did he actually call?

he opened the door, went in

and then walked out

he crushed their spirits, they had such high hopes of a championship interview

 

[Stash]

did he send an e-mail or did he actually call?

Actually, he made Ireland call.

:laugh2:

 

[Hostile]

Actually, he made Ireland call.

:laugh2:

Then he sent him to pick up his dry cleaning.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Parcells is mean like that