Bill Parcells on Mike & Mike... Cancelled

[FuzzyLumpkins]

if you understand Parcells' 3-4

it makes alot of sense

Actually Parcells 3-4 there is little done to protect the LBers and that was a big part of the problem. They are supposed to man up over the tackles. This gives the guards free shots at the LBers.

there is none of this freeing up the LBers the LBers are supposed to be physical enough to hold the point of attack against offensive guards. this worked twonty years ago before guards started weighing 30 pounds heavier.

What the Parcells 3-4 does almost completely depend on is the pass rush from the OLB who are up on the line to begin with so your nonsense about 2 gap DL protecting ILB is just more spewing tripe from you.

In Wade Phillips scheme he shades his linemen over the shoulders of the blockers which actually does force double teams and protects the LBers. thats why youll here Stewart talk about Dlinemen only taking on half a block

Any other 'analysis' you have for us summer?

He compared the two that does not mean he thought they were the same. He never said we have another Taylor he just sadi there were similarities. He did however see Spears as the total proven package.

You can find nowhere that Parcells said he picked for need. You just misunderstand a scheme and then stretch him saying there are similarities to a HoF.

Is it unreasonable to think Parcells might prefer a larger player that is more proven? Before an small school unknown with measurables?

Give me a break.

 

[Kilyin]

NFL Network just showed a clip of Parcells dropping f-bombs at Terrell Owens while he was headed for the sideline... but according to the Parcells lovesquad, he never did that...

 

[Kilyin]

Actually Parcells 3-4 there is little done to protect the LBers and that was a big part of the problem. They are supposed to man up over the tackles. This gives the guards free shots at the LBers.

Admirable efforts, but I think you're wasting your time trying to explain all of this...

 

[InmanRoshi]

The whole "Parcells wanted Spears over Ware" is just unsubstantiated hogwash anyway.

I have no idea why there is such a long discussion about it. We were eyeing both players - three if you include Merriman. We took Ware. The end.

And Jimmy wanted James Francis instead of Emmitt Smith. At the end of the day the Cowboys picked Emmitt Smith and Jimmy gets the credit for it.

I just think it's hilarious how it just so happens that every draft pick that failed was Parcells over-ruling the the scouting staff, yet every pick that succeeded was the scouting staff's pick. I guess on the ones that worked the scouting staff just waited until Parcells went to the bathroom and secretly whispered picks into the phone without Parcells knowing. (I'm assuming we're still talking about Ciskowski and the other scouts who demonstrated their uncanny ability to dependably unearth talent from the 1995-2002 drafts? ...yeah, they definitely earned the benefit of the doubt)


Kind of like how any player who says he enjoyed playing for Parcells is just lying to save face, but any player who says he didn't like playing for Parcells is just telling the truth. It's kind of convenient how this all plays out in hindsight.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I can't believe any NFL coach worth his salt would be happy that the highest paid player in the organization decided he'd rather dance in spandex all offseason than spend a single day at the team's complex getting ready for the football season. Is that just a "Parcells thing"?

Once again, the two coaches coaching in the Superbowl were Parcells disciples using Parcells hard nosed philosophy. If you want to find the "modern" coaches, they're typically the guys figuring out who they're going to take with their Top 5 draft picks after their 3-13 seasons.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

And Jimmy wanted James Francis instead of Emmitt Smith. At the end of the day the Cowboys picked Emmitt Smith and Jimmy gets the credit for it.

I just think it's hilarious how it just so happens that every draft pick that failed was Parcells over-ruling the the scouting staff, yet every pick that succeeded was the scouting staff's pick. I guess on the ones that worked the scouting staff just waited until Parcells went to the bathroom and secretly whispered picks into the phone without Parcells knowing. (I'm assuming we're still talking about the same scouting staff that demonstrated their uncanny ability to dependably unearth talent from the 1995-2002 drafts?)


Kind of like how any player who says he enjoyed playing for Parcells is just lying to save face, but any player who says he didn't like playing for Parcells is just telling the truth. It's kind of convenient how this all plays out in hindsight.

You left off the players that Parcells held back. You know, the ones who are still held back after Parcells.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And Jimmy wanted James Francis instead of Emmitt Smith. At the end of the day the Cowboys picked Emmitt Smith.

I just think it's hilarious how it just so happens that every draft pick that failed was Parcells over-ruling the the scouting staff, yet every pick that succeeded was the scouting staff's pick. I guess on the ones that worked the scouting staff just waited until Parcells went to the bathroom and secretly whispered picks into the phone without Parcells knowing. (I'm assuming we're still talking about the same scouting staff that demonstrated their uncanny ability to dependably unearth talent in the 1995-2002 drafts?)


Kind of like how any player who says he enjoyed playing for Parcells is just lying to save face, but any player who says he didn't like playing for Parcells is just telling the truth.

Whatever dude. You cannot argue that the picks i mentioned werent straight up Parcells picks and nowhere is anyone saying that he had no say in the other picks.

at the end of the day when Parcells forced the issue on guys like Rogers, Johnson and the KR du jour they were whopping mistakes.

Also the scouting staff was given different mandates starting in 2002. its obvious because the 2002 draft was a pretty good one. 2000-2001 there was no first round picks and Jerry was doing his wheeling and dealing for a QB routine. 1995-1999 was when the couts were to look for backups to the stars

i also happen to think Johnsons drafting was ovverrated too. He certainly sucked at it in Miami.

 

[Kilyin]

Kind of like how any player who says he enjoyed playing for Parcells is just lying to save face, but any player who says he didn't like playing for Parcells is just telling the truth. It's kind of convenient how this all plays out in hindsight.

Actually what was said was that they may just not believe in publically throwing someone under the bus to the media, hence their answer was politically correct. Note the word "maybe". As in, an assumption.

Just like the assumption you and superpunk make when you say all these Cowboys players enjoyed playing for Parcells.

If you can - Please do provide me a link to anyone saying they enjoyed playing for Parcells, aside from Phil Simms (who also admitted at one time, he genuinely hated the man).

 

[InmanRoshi]

You left off the players that Parcells held back. You know, the ones who are still held back after Parcells.

And don't forget all the "Parcells Guys" who simply couldn't play but were just on the team because they were Parcells' favorites. Any other coach would have shown them the door after the first round of training camp cuts.

Like Al Johnson, Ryan Fowler, Scott Shanle, Kenyon Coleman, Abram Elam, Stephen Peterson, Jason Fabini. What the heck were those guys ever doing on an NFL roster?

Oh wait ... those guys were all NFL starters last year.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Actually what was said was that they may just not believe in publically throwing someone under the bus to the media, hence their answer was politically correct. Note the word "maybe". As in, an assumption.

Just like the assumption you and superpunk make when you say all these Cowboys players enjoyed playing for Parcells.

If you can - Please do provide me a link to anyone saying they enjoyed playing for Parcells, aside from Phil Simms (who also admitted at one time, he genuinely hated the man).

Google it, theres plenty.

 

[Hostile]

And don't forget all the "Parcells Guys" who simply couldn't play but were just on the team because they were Parcells' favorites. Any other coach would have shown them the door after the first round of training camp cuts.

Like Al Johnson, Ryan Fowler, Scott Shanle, Kenyon Coleman, Abram Elam, Stephen Peterson, Jason Fabini. What the heck were those guys ever doing on an NFL roster?

Oh wait ... those guys were all NFL starters last year.

Ryan Young, Vinny Testaverde, Drew Bledsoe, Adrian Murrell.

The door swings both ways, careful that it doesn't get your fingers.

 

[Kilyin]

And don't forget all the "Parcells Guys" who simply couldn't play but were just on the team because they were Parcells' favorites. Any other coach would have shown them the door after the first round of training camp cuts.

Like Al Johnson, Ryan Fowler, Scott Shanle, Kenyon Coleman, Abram Elam, Stephen Peterson, Jason Fabini. What the heck were those guys ever doing on an NFL roster?

Oh wait ... those guys were all NFL starters last year.

More revisionist history..

None of those players you listed were "Parcells guys", except for Fabini. Starting for the Deadskins isn't exactly a ringing endorsement either, especially when you consider their OL was decimated with injuries last year. A more accurate list would be Drew Bledsoe, Vinny Testaverde, Adrian Murrell, Dedrick Ward, Richie Anderson, Keyshawn Johnson, Rob Pettiti, and I'm sure there're more. Tell me, where are those guys at now?

 

[InmanRoshi]

If you can - Please do provide me a link to anyone saying they enjoyed playing for Parcells, aside from Phil Simms (who also admitted at one time, he genuinely hated the man).

I don't need to Google quotes. Just look at how many players and assistant coaches flock to him from one job to the next.

If he's such hell to be around, why does everyone seem to want to be around him every chance they get? You think Bill Belichick couldn't find another team willing to give him a defensive coordinator job, so he just had to "settle" for coaching under Parcells three different times?

 

[Kilyin]

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Google it, theres plenty.

Then you shouldn't have any trouble finding some.

 

[Kilyin]

Just look at how many players and assistant coaches follow him from one job to the next.

Coaches and players, oranges and apples. Keith Davis went there because he had no chance of ever starting here.

Not to mention, money and opportunity are a good deodorant.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And don't forget all the "Parcells Guys" who simply couldn't play but were just on the team because they were Parcells' favorites. Any other coach would have shown them the door after the first round of training camp cuts.

Like Al Johnson, Ryan Fowler, Scott Shanle, Kenyon Coleman, Abram Elam, Stephen Peterson, Jason Fabini. What the heck were those guys ever doing on an NFL roster?

Oh wait ... those guys were all NFL starters last year.

No that wold be guys like Ryan Young, Adrian Murrell, Marcus Coleman and Aaron 'toast' Glenn.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

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Google it, theres plenty.

I love it. We prove what your saying. Typical crap form people with nothing to back up what they say.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Coaches and players, oranges and apples. Keith Davis went there because he had no chance of ever starting here.

And Curtis Martin left the Patriots to join Parcells in New York because no one wanted him?

If you're going to deny that Parcells former players and coaches haven't flocked to rejoin him every chance they've gotten, you've taken such repeated blunt force trauma to the head that it's pointless to even continue the conversation.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I love it. We prove what your saying. Typical crap form people with nothing to back up what they say.

What? You can't google? It took a second.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And Curtis Martin left the Patriots to join Parcells in New York because no one wanted him?

If you're going to deny that Parcells former players and coaches haven't flocked to rejoin him every chance they've gotten, you've taken such repeated blunt force trauma to the head that it's pointless to even continue the conversation.

Parcells' traded for Martin.