Blackistone: Coaching hires prove NFL discriminates

[Maikeru-sama]

You say "we still have a long way to go"
What exactly do you mean?

Obviously the NFL agreed with minorities that there is a problem and something needed to be done. The NFL is a huge juggernaunt and wont be bullied by anyone. Heck they even stuck to their guns by not allowing Peyton Manning to wear throwback tennis shoes to honor Johnny Unitas (they either fined him or didnt let him wear them, cant remember), which TICKED alot of people off and alot of hate mail was generated because of that.

So I doubt they would have given into the findings of the Cochran/Mehri Board unless evidence of that study indeed had some credibility.

The NFL is just a small microcosm of our Society as a whole and most would agree, though we have made some strides, we still have a ways to go as data from College Studies, the Government, Law Enforcement and the Private Sector shows there is still discrimantory practices going on on a very consistent basis.

- Mike G.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

When comparing Crennel/Mangini, he forgot to include the real reason that Crennel didn't get a head coaching earlier: Teams typically exclude their coaches from interviewing while still alive in the playoffs.

Teams didn't want to be left holding the bag if they waited until the Super Bowl concluded so they jumped on a coach early. Charlie Weis is white and was just as qualified as Crennel yet he never got a head coaching job either.

Teams seemed to view the Patriots first SB as a fluke, their names cooled the second year, the third year they were unavailable when everyone wanted them until after the SB and the fourth year they both got HC gigs.

If I were an owner, Mangini would have been near the top of my list regardless of race. Crennel had great success in Cleveland considering what he was working with, Weis had similar success at Notre Dame. Patriots' assistants seem to know what they're doing, I'd take my chances with one.


Maybe he didn't realize it, but this year's "hot" coach just happened to be black. Herm Edwards was the only coach that another team thought highly enough of to offer a coveted draft pick for. Would it have made him feel better if Edwards was an assistant somewhere instead of a HC?

 

[Danny White]

Typically... the R*dskins are leading the way again when it comes to racism... they'll soon have 7 head coaches, and none of them will be black.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Art Shell has put his name out there in the past, but never got a sniff.

Interesting.

58-34 Regular Season Record
2-3 in the Playoffs
3 Playoff Appearances in 6 Seasons

Not bad.

- Mike G.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Interesting.

58-34 Regular Season Record
2-3 in the Playoffs
3 Playoff Appearances in 6 Seasons

Not bad.

- Mike G.

With HCs, you sometimes have to look past his "record" to look at whether the team was improving. Shell's Raiders were headed in the wrong direction.

 

[Paniolo22]

Maybe he didn't realize it, but this year's "hot" coach just happened to be black. Herm Edwards was the only coach that another team thought highly enough of to offer a coveted draft pick for. Would it have made him feel better if Edwards was an assistant somewhere instead of a HC?

I agree, how manycoaches did the Chiefs interview before hiring Edwards? None! Why wasn't there a big stink about that? This is just ridiculous.

 

[WoodysGirl]

With HCs, you sometimes have to look past his "record" to look at whether the team was improving. Shell's Raiders were headed in the wrong direction.

Except for when they were under Gruden, I'd say they still are. And even with him, they were treading water.

They've brought in some crazy coaching candidates. People so far off the radar, u wonder if ol Al has really lost his mind.


Edit: KC interviewed their OC Al Saunders and may have had others lined up if the Edwards deal didn't go thru.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Except for when they were under Gruden, I'd say they still are. And even with him, they were treading water.

They've brought in some crazy coaching candidates. People so far off the radar, u wonder if ol Al has really lost his mind.


Edit: KC interviewed their OC Al Saunders and may have had others lined up if the Edwards deal didn't go thru.

I really think that Davis doesn't care about winning and losing but putting fannies in the seats. Kind of reminds me of Snyder in that the bottom line is more important than the record.

Big splashes or puzzling moves to get fans talking.

 

[aikemirv]

Oh, and by the way, that NE defense held the Broncos to 286 yards and there was one score by Denvers defense and the other score was the result of a very poor PI penalty.

So in my book they played a very good defensive game.

More proof he did not do any research for this article!!!

96 rushing yards by the "great" Denver running game!

 

[Zaxor]

The point is that they weren't even getting shots for interviews prior to that Rooney rule.

there can be little doubt that something had to be done...

 

[tyke1doe]

If you are going to write that article then you have to do the research to tell me what black coaches should have been interviewed and which ones wanted to be interviewed. Otherwise, you are grasping at straws.

Show me where Art Shell said he wanted another opportunity. Show me where Ray Rhodes, who had serious health problems last year I believe wanted a head coaching job.

Show me the list of assistants and their tenures that got overlooked.

Don't get me wrong, because some of what he is saying is probably true, but you can't write an article like that without some facts.

Romeo Crennell had 39 years, Mangini did not get promoted before him, it was after him. Compare Mangini to the avaialable candidates right now.

Most of the guys that are interviewed are the assistants with successful teams and thuis Mangini gets an interview. If he was the defensive coordinator for the Saints he would not have gotten a look.

Uh,

WHAT ARE THEY WAITING FOR?
Kevin B. Blackistone lists the four minority assistant coaches in the NFL who are best suited, but thus far, passed over for NFL head coaching jobs:

Maurice Carthon, 44, Cle.: Named Browns offensive coordinator last February after spending two seasons as Cowboys offensive coordinator. ... Has 12 years of NFL coaching experience.

Jerry Gray, 43, Buf.: Five seasons as a defensive coordinator with the Buffalo Bills. ... In 2004, UT-ex molded defense that finished in the top five in the NFL in five categories.

Tim Lewis, 44, NYG: Six seasons as a defensive coordinator, the last two with the New York Giants. ... Employs aggressive and hard-hitting style of defense.

Ron Rivera, 43, Chi.: Completed second season as Chicago Bears defensive coordinator. ... Bears finished second in the NFL in total defense this season.

You tell em, Blackistone. Keep their feet to the fire.

 

[tyke1doe]

"There have been 10 head coaching vacancies. There have been five hires."

He should of waited till the other five were hired. If five more black coaches are hired ( I know it's unlikely ) then its 6 -4 . He has a good point but to write it now makes me think he is trying to sell papers ,which is a pity because I usually like him.

Or maybe he's bringing it to the forefront now so NFL owners won't get complacent thinking we've got enough black head coaches.

A strategic and well-timed article by Blackistone.

 

[tyke1doe]

Art Shell has put his name out there in the past, but never got a sniff.

Mort posted in a chat last year that basically said he's been out of coaching too long. If he'd taken an assistant job to stay in the loop, maybe.

The Mangini hire was a head scratcher simply cuz he's so light in experience. Alot of people don't particularly like the hire cuz of that. And the point Blackistone was making is that Mangini wasn't even on the HC radar prior to him moving up to DC last year and somehow he's a HC after one year as a DC. While Crennel made the rounds for several years before landing in Cleveland.

I normally don't post my opinions in these type of threads, simply cuz it's one of those that go too far off the radar, but I'll chime in on the coaching aspect

I think people confuse the idea that African American coaches are looking for handouts just cuz they're African Americans. I posted an article within one of the other threads similar to this one that disputed that notion from coaches who are currently doing the HC interview circuit.

The point is that they weren't even getting shots for interviews prior to that Rooney rule. These guys had coaching experience but they weren't even getting opportunties as legit candidates. Now they are. That's progress to me. Yeah you would think a couple more would have gotten hired with all the openings. But I've missed out on alot of jobs even tho I think I've interviewed well. And that may well could be the case here.

One of the comments made from that article by one of the coaching candidates is that at least guys are getting interviews and learning how the process works. So that they can be better prepared when their name comes up next time.

Thank you Woody's Girl for "getting it."

I'm just curious, is the Rooney rule still in effect? In the quick hires, were any minority candidates interviewed?

Or is the league basically saying that now that we have six black coaches, we don't need to follow established NFL policy regarding interviewing minority candidates?

 

[Gaede]

Jerry Gray must not be a very likable guy. I mean, his defense in Buffalo has been fantastic...and I've never heard him mentioned for a HC position

 

[aikemirv]

Uh,




You tell em, Blackistone. Keep their feet to the fire.

And like someone else said-

All the positions are not filled yet.

Mangini has as much or more coaching experience than Carthon for sure. I don't know about the other guys, but they are pretty young are they not.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Thank you Woody's Girl for "getting it."

I'm just curious, is the Rooney rule still in effect? In the quick hires, were any minority candidates interviewed?

Or is the league basically saying that now that we have six black coaches, we don't need to follow established NFL policy regarding interviewing minority candidates?

Yes, the Rooney rule is still in effect.

- Mike G.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yes, the Rooney rule is still in effect.

- Mike G.

What is the color of Rooney HC?

 

[Maikeru-sama]

What is the color of Rooney HC?

Huh?

- Mike G.

 

[BAZ]

Or maybe he's bringing it to the forefront now so NFL owners won't get complacent thinking we've got enough black head coaches.

A strategic and well-timed article by Blackistone.

I disagree, if a team owner is listening to KB over the future of their team then that's bad management. My point was that seeing as only half the jobs have been taken if the % evens out is the article seems over critical.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

With HCs, you sometimes have to look past his "record" to look at whether the team was improving. Shell's Raiders were headed in the wrong direction.

True.

Which is why I am not a big fan of Quantitative Data (numbers). I am not too familiar with Art Shell's career and usually when I am unfamiliar, I can only rely on numbers and past articles.

- Mike G.