Blackistone: Looking for QB, Jerry? Try draft's first round

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I didn't predict he'd be a 2nd RD pick


Yes you did.


That was my opinion. I stand by it. I don't have to change the parameters or warp the take.


Which is exactly my point about your credibility. You thought (actually still think?!) Clarett is a good RB. Nuff said.



If Clarett was healthy and didn't nail down the starting job by mid-season, I would have been proven wrong. He got injured and now we'll never know.


:rolleyes:

You do NOT cut 3rd round picks due to injury if they're any good. PERIOD.


Shanahan already came out and ADMITTED Clarett was a mistake.



Guys like you need to get you're head out of your butt, stop listening to all the drivel that national media spew to justify their opinion on Clarett from day one.


First of all, don't you ever think it's ok to talk to me like that. Got it?

Second of all, I've had my own opinion about Clarett since he was a freshmen. I said even then that he was overrated. So don't assume anything. You know what they say about people that assume.


I already knew about his groin injury. It doesn't mean anything. If he were any good, he wouldn't of been cut cuz you don't CUT 3rd round rookie that are good, hurt or not. PERIOD.


Not to mention, and you seem to be ignoring this, Shanahan already admitted Clarett was a mistake.


DENVER -- The reason running back Maurice Clarett isn't with the Denver Broncos anymore is pretty simple.


"We have four guys I believe can play," coach Mike Shanahan said.


And Clarett never made his way into that mix.


The Broncos returned to practice Monday and Shanahan answered questions about why he decided to waive Clarett, the surprise third-round draft choice who was slowed by a groin injury and never made any impact in Denver's training camp.


That Clarett was a bust isn't a shock to most around the league. He was out of football for two years and performed badly at the NFL scouting combine -- and that's to say nothing of the troubles he endured off the field.


In Denver, the pick is being viewed as a bad example of hubris for Shanahan, "the Mastermind," who has turned lower picks -- like Terrell Davis, Rueben Droughns and Mike Anderson -- into stars and probably thought he could do the same, even with a prospect as checkered as Clarett.


To his credit, Shanahan didn't linger on this mistake, deciding to cut ties quickly instead of forcing something to work. And the coach conceded he did err by picking the star of Ohio State's 2002 national championship.


"I think any time you cut somebody in the third round, you feel like you made a mistake," Shanahan said. "When you do that, you make a mistake and you go on. At least you evaluate it. That's not to say that Maurice doesn't have a chance to go to another football team and make that team and contribute. But in a true evaluation of your own organization, when you use a third-round draft choice and he does not make your team, obviously it's not good."


The Broncos had not officially announced their cuts as of Monday afternoon. When Clarett does officially land on waivers, teams will have 24 hours to claim him and the incentive-laden contract he signed with Denver.


More likely is that Clarett will become a free agent, free to negotiate a new deal with anyone.


"I'm not real confident of anything at this point," Clarett's agent, Steve Feldman said Sunday. "We'll see what happens now."


Clarett missed about two weeks of practice with a nagging groin injury that prevented him from making the trip to Houston, where the Broncos practiced three days and played the Texans in their preseason opener.


When the Broncos returned from the trip, Shanahan was no longer in the mood to defend the player he took a chance on, saying instead that he couldn't evaluate Clarett if he wasn't at practice.


Last week, Shanahan said he planned on getting Clarett some playing time Friday in Denver's preseason finale against Arizona. But when Quentin Griffin made his preseason debut last Saturday against the Colts and showed his surgically repaired knee was healthy, the Broncos knew they had their foursome at tailback: Griffin, Ron Dayne, Tatum Bell and Mike Anderson.


Meanwhile, Cecil Sapp can play tailback and fullback and will likely earn a roster spot.


"I felt so good about the running backs and what they've done," Shanahan said. "I wasn't going to give him playing time and take away from our other four."


Second-round draft pick Darrent Williams said Clarett got down about his lack of reps during practices.


"I tried to give him encouragement. At times he was down because he was used to starting," Williams said.


Hardly anyone thought he had a chance to start for the Broncos. That he never played a down, not even in the preseason, came as a surprise.


"We've made mistakes before," Shanahan said. "We'll make mistakes in the future. Just because we draft somebody in the third round doesn't mean they're automatically going to be on our football team. We've cut our first-rounders, second-rounders before. You don't feel very good about those scenarios, but they do happen."



Now, ready to continue taking your Henson beating, or do you prefer the Clarett beating? Either way, you're making a fool of yourself.
 

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Charles said:
Me........... coy!! :lmao2:

I've been described as being arrogant. Maybe because I am not scared to state my opinion with conviction. I never hold back. If I thought Henson was a turd. I'd state it. Trust me your.......... opinion of him doesn't affect my judgment or opinion one way or the other.
Charles, I was born at night, but my man, it wasn't last night. When a guy digs through archives to find a quote to use as a signature line and then in a thread tells people "look at my sig line," what would you call it?

I thought it was idiotic to compare the Henson to Staubach or Troy before he even broke wind at Valley Ranch. That was the beef of my argument. I had the same sediments when Spags, JJT, Lebreton etc were writing articles about Chad Hutchinson excuting passes in his first mini-camp at Valley ranch not seen since the days of Aikman.........they've been known as mediots to me ever since.
Sediments?

I didn't compare Henson to Aikman. I used a picture I thought was neat. You've maintained that was "proof" I was annointing him ever since. Yet when you had stuff about Heath Miller that wasn't equal with what I did. I still find that convenient.

I like my sig :) . It describes Henson's crouching stance when he's in the pocket and also alludes to his hidden talent that has yet to be tapped.
Interesting take on it. Wouldn't have considered it myself.



IMHO Henson has shown anything to indicate he's the prospect everyone thought he was, therefore based on factual evidence to dated he shouldn't be considered a high risk..............yet.
I guess it's best to ignore what the team is trying to do and go with your observations?

I saw the kid play live and he has potential. Every report talks about potential. Yeah, they talk about struggles too. Happens to most QBs at some point.

Romo has distanced himself from Henson. He as detailed by Parcells way ahead in our offensive system. He's been by all accounts a better player in camp that Henson and Bledsoe. Infact this is the 2nd time he's defeated Henson in a training camp setting, therefore I wouldn't put him on the practice squad either because he's proven to be a valuable asset with a significant role on our team.
I wouldn't put him on the PS even if he hadn't done this. I won't put a QB there.

If he didn't distance himself from Henson going into his 3rd year, He should have been cut.......I always thought it was Romo not Henson's neck on the line this off-season. Romo up until that stupid pass in the Seahawk game was a better by all accounts.
I think there's some merit here.

Thats your opinion. I soemwhat agree, but What has Henson done to date that would make a team think.......... gosh he lost our Qbs to injury we should go get that guy.........
What had Lance Frazier done? What had Ben Noll done? Potential will make a team take a chance.

Well if anyone has been scrutinizing Henson lately there isn't much worth mentioning. He has the tools but so do a dozen other QBs in the NFL who won't make a 53 man roster.
QBs get multiple chances. Fact of life.

I don't think he's earned a roster spot yet. Thats my opinion. The coaching staff might think differently. I am not under any illusions that my opinion carries any weight in the decision making process, but I'd rather have Eric Ogbogu, Fowler, Tucker or an slightly injured Beriault whom have atleast shwon some progress than a player with potential whom seemed to have regressed.
I think 3 of those guys make the team anyway.
 

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I tire of this trash talk mentality but I want to set the record straight.

Charles may have predicted Mo would be drafted in the second round in his mock...however this also has to be noted as the bet.
HERE

rack post #21 said:
Clarett probably won't even get drafted, and you have us taking him in the second? You HAVE to be on something. Seriously.

rack post #26 said:
RB is one of the easier positions to learn in football. Its the reason RBs don't get drafted as high as they used to, normally. Who expected NO RBs to get drafted in the top 23 picks last year?

That same reason is the reason no one will take a huge gamble on Clarett. Cuz they can find RBs later w/o taking a risk. Clarett will be a second day pick. Period. I'll be anyone here $20 on that. Please, take that bet cuz I could use the $$$.


charles post #28 said:
Hey I'll take that bet, but if I win I don't want your money, Keep it, just have a couple of beers on me preferrably ice cold Sam Adams.

I think Clarett will be a 1st day pick!!!!!

Is it a bet Rack?

Rack post #38 said:
It's a bet!



So it does seem that charles predicted him to be drafted in the second round in his mock....however it also appears that rack said he would not be drafted at all....then later makes a bet that he will be drafted in the 2nd DAY.

Charles says he will take the bet and makes sure to ask rack if it is a bet.

Rack says It's a bet.

So although Mo did not get drafted in the 2nd ROUND...he did not get drafted in the 2nd DAY because he was drafted in the 1st day.

Now maybe a bet was made later about Mo sticking with a team but I did not see that in that thread.

I remember that thread pretty well because I also said second day and was wrong and later posted to charles that I was wrong and congrats on his call.
 

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Yeah, BP, I read the thread. I already said I lost the bet. We're past that. Try and keep up. ;)


He did still predict he'd be a second round pick (In his mock, not having anything to do with the bet) and he was wrong.

He said Clarett is better then Ronnie Brown. Again, wrong.

He said Clarett was/is a good RB. Again, wrong.

"Officially" he was right about Clarett being drafted first day, but I think Mike Shanahan coming out and admitting he made a mistake is saying something.


Now, shall we get back on topic, or shall we continue to talk about overrated RBs that will soon be working at McDonalds?
 

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Let's see now. Parcells cut Jacob Rogers, a 2nd rd pick last year, but would hestitate to cut a 3rd rd pick from last year that he didn't have faith in?
 

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Rockytop6 said:
Let's see now. Parcells cut Jacob Rogers, a 2nd rd pick last year, but would hestitate to cut a 3rd rd pick from last year that he didn't have faith in?



Jacob Rogers proved he had no toughness. Henson hasn't proven anything, either way, yet. Like Parcells said, he's a developing player.


Apples-n-oranges.
 

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Rack said:
Yeah, BP, I read the thread. I already said I lost the bet. We're past that. Try and keep up. ;)


He did still predict he'd be a second round pick (In his mock, not having anything to do with the bet) and he was wrong.

He said Clarett is better then Ronnie Brown. Again, wrong.

He said Clarett was/is a good RB. Again, wrong.

"Officially" he was right about Clarett being drafted first day, but I think Mike Shanahan coming out and admitting he made a mistake is saying something.


Now, shall we get back on topic, or shall we continue to talk about overrated RBs that will soon be working at McDonalds?


That is what I get :laugh2:

Either way I think it is time to move this thread...and maybe time we cool down on the topic before it gets going to another level. :cool:
 

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Rack said:
I guess if you think Mock=prediction then you have a point :laugh1:


Rack said:
Which is exactly my point about your credibility. You thought (actually still think?!) Clarett is a good RB. Nuff said.
I still do.

You thought Clarett wasn't draftable or at worse a 6th or 7th RD pick.

So far in credablity score board I am 1-0 against you.

Like Shannahan mentioned even 1st RD picks get cut. Clarett got injured, fell behind in getting snaps and the veterans with injry questions proved they could carry the load within the roles.

I am not surprised you'd take that opinion on Clarett after having egg in your face oops I mean losing the bet..........


Rack said:
:rolleyes:

You do NOT cut 3rd round picks due to injury if they're any good. PERIOD.

How would they know if he's good or bad if he didn't have the chance to prove it one way or the other due to injury.

Get real...........

Rack said:
Shanahan already came out and ADMITTED Clarett was a mistake.

This Is Shanahan exact quote:
Shanahan said:
"I think any time you cut somebody in the third round, you feel like you made a mistake," Shanahan said. "When you do that, you make a mistake and you go on. At least you evaluate it. That's not to say that Maurice doesn't have a chance to go to another football team and make that team and contribute. But in a true evaluation of your own organization, when you use a third-round draft choice and he does not make your team, obviously it's not good."
when put in it's full context it doesn't come close to your opinion.

They drafted Clarett because they weren't sure about their veterans due to season ending injuries and in-effectiveness. The veterans took advantage of the snaps during practice, clarett couldn't practice and prove his worth thus it was a mistake in hindisight, but with merit at the time.

This stuff is rocket science Rack.

You're letting your opinion of the player cloud your objectivity. typical


Rack said:
First of all, don't you ever think it's ok to talk to me like that. Got it?
Boo hoo. grow up. This stuff isn't personal. :lmao2:
Rack said:
Second of all, I've had my own opinion about Clarett since he was a freshmen. I said even then that he was overrated. So don't assume anything. You know what they say about people that assume.
Good for you tootsie. Is that better. Is that better :laugh2:

Rack said:
I already knew about his groin injury. It doesn't mean anything. If he were any good, he wouldn't of been cut cuz you don't CUT 3rd round rookie that are good, hurt or not. PERIOD.
Clarett didn't have chance to prove whether he was good enough or bad due to injury and the veterans stepped up securing all the roles in the back field

Once again this isn't rocket science unless you have agendas or preconceived notions like the national mediots or Rack..............

Rack said:
Not to mention, and you seem to be ignoring this, Shanahan already admitted Clarett was a mistake.
No I am not. I just look at the entire situation instead of just scratching the surface.


Rack said:
Now, ready to continue taking your Henson beating, or do you prefer the Clarett beating? Either way, you're making a fool of yourself.
hey you lost a bet to a fool. I am ready for Henson beating............. :lmao:
 

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LaTunaNostra said:
Kevin Blackistone: Looking for QB, Jerry? Try draft's first round

09:25 PM CDT on Tuesday, August 30, 2005


It isn't difficult to understand why Jerry Jones has taken the approach that he has to filling Troy Aikman's cleats...
That isn't to say that it's easy to find a quarterback with the talent, moxie and smarts to lead a team to the Super Bowl...
Did he just say the "M" word?

Moxie=Tony Romo.

Imagine, a respected writer using "moxie" and "Superbowl" in the same sentence!

I love this guy!
 

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BrAinPaiNt said:
That is what I get :laugh2:

Either way I think it is time to move this thread...and maybe time we cool down on the topic before it gets going to another level. :cool:
Why am I not surprised???? :lmao:

You guys are becoming awfully predictable
 

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Charles said:
Why am I not surprised???? :lmao:

You guys are becoming awfully predictable


Maybe because people here are tired of a few ruining threads and getting into flame wars.

:eek::
 

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BrAinPaiNt said:
Maybe because people here are tired of a few ruining threads and getting into flame wars.

:eek::
Who ruined thread? How did it turn into a flame war. It was point counter point. Rack, Hos and I were having a civil debate.

What makes those people think others aren't tired of their schtick?

What number of people are required to complain before a thread is deemed a "flame thread" or "ruined".?

Aren't 80% of the posts in this forum mostly opinioned based?

Aren't most articles posted from columnist opinions based around a couple of quotes from those in the know?

I think the content of the thread that doesn't tow the company line is what got it moved to the obscure OPINION ZONE

I think it's BS. JUST my opinion.
 

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Charles said:
Who ruined thread? How did it turn into a flame war. It was point counter point. Rack, Hos and I were having a civil debate.

What makes those people think others aren't tired of their schtick?

What number of people are required to complain before a thread is deemed a "flame thread" or "ruined".?

Aren't 80% of the posts in this forum mostly opinioned based?

Aren't most articles posted from columnist opinions based around a couple of quotes from those in the know?

I think the content of the thread that doesn't tow the company line is what got it moved to the obscure OPINION ZONE

I think it's BS. JUST my opinion.


Did I say THIS thread was ruined or THIS thread was a flame war....no I said I was moving it before it turned that way...actually it should have been moved earlier.

Opinions are one thing, debates are one thing, what has been going on of late is beyond both of those and if you don't see that so be it.

You can think it is BS all you want, but that is not going to change things.

So in the future if you got a problem with a thread being moved and decide you want to comment on it...I suggest you comment to a mod via PM instead of commenting on it in a thread.


Thanks.
 

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I guess if you think Mock=prediction then you have a point


OMG. So a mock draft isn't an accumulation of precitions. Ooook.


Is it ok to call someone a moron in this forum? Just asking.


You thought Clarett wasn't draftable or at worse a 6th or 7th RD pick.

So far in credablity score board I am 1-0 against you.


******!!!

You more credible then me? Hell, NORS is more credibile then you! lol


And just cuz I was wrong about where he WAS drafted doesn't mean I was wrong about where he SHOULD of been drafted.


Like Shannahan mentioned even 1st RD picks get cut.


Yeah... if they suck as bad as Clarett.


when put in it's full context it doesn't come close to your opinion


You're full of cow feces, Buddy. He said it plain as day, your man-love for Clarett is clouding your judgment.


Good for you tootsie. Is that better. Is that better


Keep it up. Just keep it up.


hey you lost a bet to a fool. I am ready for Henson beating


The sun shines on every dog's *** sometimes. At least I didn't PREDICT Clarett to be a second round pick.


You guys are becoming awfully predictable


Take a look in the mirror.


Who ruined thread? How did it turn into a flame war. It was point counter point. Rack, Hos and I were having a civil debate.


Civil? You got your butt handed to you in the Henson debate, saw a chance to change the subject, and jumped at it. Yeah, real civil. :rolleyes:


I think it's BS. JUST my opinion.


And BS is a subject you should have an expert opinion about.
 

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BrAinPaiNt said:
Did I say THIS thread was ruined or THIS thread was a flame war....no I said I was moving it before it turned that way...actually it should have been moved earlier.
So you indiscriminately determine which threads will eventually get ruined or turn into flame wars.........more like a pre-emptive strike. gotcha :eek::
BrAinPaiNt said:
Opinions are one thing, debates are one thing, what has been going on of late is beyond both of those and if you don't see that so be it.

You can think it is BS all you want, but that is not going to change things.
I don't see it and I don't expect it to change. I've been around long enough to know which type a threads are left to linger even though they've approach or passed the flame line.
BrAinPaiNt said:
So in the future if you got a problem with a thread being moved and decide you want to comment on it...I suggest you comment to a mod via PM instead of commenting on it in a thread.

Thanks.
That must be rule No.7. Very convienient isn't it.
 

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Rack said:
OMG. So a mock draft isn't an accumulation of precitions. Ooook.
Like I stated if you think Mock=prediction then you have a point. :laugh2:

I don't think Mock Drafts are preditions. Just projections or an ideas of how players are slotted by teams wise or league wise. They aren't gurantees but an idea or range in which a player may fall.

Ever wonder why they are always wrong.


Rack said:
Is it ok to call someone a moron in this forum? Just asking.
Yes it is. Some just don't get offend :laugh2:



Rack said:
******!!!

You more credible then me? Hell, NORS is more credibile then you! lol
I actually like NORs. He isn't scared to state his opinion with conviction and back it up. He doesn't always tow the company line and feel he has to fall in step to fill like he fits in.

I don't always agree with him, infact it's healthy to disagree.

I'm proud if I have half the cajones Nors' displays.

Rack said:
And just cuz I was wrong about where he WAS drafted doesn't mean I was wrong about where he SHOULD of been drafted.
Good for you..I can show you 32 professional organizations that have made the same mistake :laugh2:

The fact is you lost the bet and I was kind enough to make it a sportman bet.




Rack said:
Yeah... if they suck as bad as Clarett.

We'll see..........



Rack said:
You're full of cow feces, Buddy. He said it plain as day, your man-love for Clarett is clouding your judgment.
I never disagreed that he said Clarett was a mistake. Of course he said it in Hindsight, after the veterans like Anderson showed he's fully recovered from a torn groin, after Bell had a great camp, after Cecil Sapp had a good camp and Griffin improved...........


Rack said:
Keep it up. Just keep it up.
Hey what did I do now. I got more gentle :laugh1:



Rack said:
The sun shines on every dog's *** sometimes. At least I didn't PREDICT Clarett to be a second round pick.
But you did predict he wasn't draftable at best a 6th or 7th RD pick.

The sun never shines on the dogs rectum........... ;)



Rack said:
Take a look in the mirror.
6'-2" 190lb................corn rows, USMC tatoo........... ;) :laugh2:





Rack said:
Civil? You got your butt handed to you in the Henson debate, saw a chance to change the subject, and jumped at it. Yeah, real civil. :rolleyes:

I didn't change the subject, infact I tried to end the Clarett stuff after you brought it up. Infact my last post to Hos was about Henson and 3 posts (in reply to you) ago I tried to go back to Henson. Just look at the thread Rack. I am not suprised, you previously treid to change the parameters of a bet.

This will be my last post about Clarett if you'd like.

Infact lets get back to the Henson stuff. I'm still trying to figure out how someone handed me my ***........



Rack said:
And BS is a subject you should have an expert opinion about.

I hope we can still be friends.......... ;)
 

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6'-2" 190lb................corn rows, USMC tatoo...........


continued... lipstick, blush, pretty pink blouse, and a "I love San Francisco" tattoo across the chest.

By the way, marines are *******.


Just look at the thread Rack. I am not suprised, you previously treid to change the parameters of a bet.

I didn't try to change anything. All I remembered about that bet was that you predicted Clarett to be a second round pick (in that thread, originally). I don't even think I posted in that thread after I posted "It's a bet".

Send me your paypal username and I'll send you the $20.



I hope we can still be friends


Never have been, never will be.


I actually like NORs


Nuff said.
 

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Actually, I was refering to Blackstone's article.

Dallas media and fans are so bloodthirsty and frothing at the mouth for their "next Aikman" that they don't have the have the patience or outlook to develop a QB properly. Even if they drafted a QB with a Top 10 pick, they would chew him up and spit him out within 24 months and move onto the next great hope. "Gotta stick him out there and see whatta he can do !!" I'll tell you what he's going to do, he's going to suck .. like 99% of all young QB's that have played in this league have. After four or five bad performances in a row, he's toast in this city. Troy Aikman couldn't even be the "the next Aikman" in Dallas' current environment. Parcells is currently the only thing keeping Dallas from devouring Henson. Parcells is the best thing that ever happened to Drew Henson. Hopefully he'll stay here long enough to keep the wolves at bay until he's ready. But the amount of scrutiny Henson is getting now is miniscule compared to the scrutiny he would have gotten had Jerry trotted him out there to complete the 2nd half of last year to stink it up. Make no mistake about it, if Dallas would have done that last year there would have been riots for Aaron Rogers with that 11th pick, much less 20th.

Then I did take it wrong. I said something because it sounded so unlike you. I wish I had phrased it differently as when I reread it my comments sounded much more harsh than I intended. And for nothing so my apologies.

I agree. I can remember only one QB who resembled a starting NFL QB in year one and that was Dan Marino. You are right. Parcells is giving Henson a chance to succeed. JJ would throw him to the wolves as you said and I think the press and fans here are even more intolerant than you gave them credit for which was none. I watched them chew on Meredith, Morton, Staubach some, White and Aikman. Vicious is a good word for how the media treats QBs in this city.

How else could it be with a Texan team that grew so quickly into a juggernaut coached by a living legend though?
 
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