Blackistone: Looking for QB, Jerry? Try draft's first round

[kartr]

right. i can name a bunch of guys drafted in the first round stealing money from their respective owners:

Joey Harrington
David Carr
Philip Rivers
Eli Manning
Rex Grossman

Not to mention Alex Smith and Aaron Rogers.

Will these writers please let these guys develop for a change?

Yeah, we do need to let our qbs develop, just not long-shot projects like Hutchinson and Henson.

 

[kartr]

LOL? Considering Alex Smith hasn't played a snap and neither has Rodgers....riiiiight. And also Rivers, and Carr hasn't "stolen" any money, hes been a solid player on an expansion team. The only two I agree with you are Grossman and Harrington, this might be the most ridiculous post I've read....

Did you see Carr against us the other night. He was terrible. He's terrible against any team with a half-way good defense.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

The Church of Q Ten Commandments:
1. Thou shalt love thy bong.
2. Thou shalt not wear clothes while being interviewed by reporters you don't like.
3. Thou shalt be limited to 1/3 of the field.
4. Thou shalt inspire a devout and zealous following despite your lack of talents.
5. Thou shalt drive the bus
6. Thou shalt not drive the bus into a tree.
7. Seriously, thou shalt not run the bus into a tree.
8. Thou shalt not back up and repeatedly run the bus into the tree.
9. Thou shalt run away from the bus that is tipped over and engulfed in flames.
10. Thou shalt give up the keys to the bus.

........... .................

 

[Rack]

and...umm....what does that tell you?

It tells me that most of them suck.

I just think the roster spot Henson will take up could be used for a player with much bigger role than 3rd string QB

Yes, cuz we all know the 3rd string QB is supposed to be a former NFL MVP, or at least a former probowler.





The 3rd string QB is SUPPOSE to be a developing QB.

Nothing wrong with what he said. He only stated the obvious.

Oh ok. So it's obvious Henson's time in Dallas is over? I did not know that. Forgive me.

Ahh but it is pretty much standard procedure for most NFL teams to have three QBs on the roster during the season EVEN if the third one is not active for many games.

Not to mention the QB position is the ONLY position that can be the 46th player. Even the inactive 3rd QB can play in any game. Can't say that about any other position.

Charles thought Clarett would be Denver's starting RB by midseason. Don't put much stock into anything he says.

Henson would be claimed off the Practice Squad. The Cowboys won't risk it. They've as much as said so already. Pipe dream.

Not to mention the cap hit we'd take from Henson GUARANTEED 3.5 million for cutting him.

Some people just don't "get it."

If he shows progress in practice the Cowboys can sign him up to 53 man roster.

The same can be said about any other player, like Thomas Johnson for example.

Plus, the cowboys don't take a big cap hit for releasing T Johnson.

Plus, there's a MUCH greater chance of T Johnson staying on the practice squad then there is of Henson staying on the practice squad.

A guy like Crayton could serve as the 3rd string QB and another young developmental player that played better, graded out better and deserves the spot could be kept

The guy's just learning the WR position. It would be dumb to make him learn the most difficult position in professional sports as well.

I am not up or down on Henson

Yes, it's apparant you aren't down on Henson from looking at your sig.

Again,



How's Clarett these days anyway?

If you are going to keep a developmental guy on your roster, keep one that you have dollars and draft picks invested in. One that plays a premier position, not an undrafted TE thats going to be inactive every week anyway.

Blackistone serves as a deacon (along with some of our own members ) in "The Church of the Q"...

In his eyes, no other pastor will ever measure up to Rev. Q...

Take this article as a shot at all things not Q...

Maybe he'll be in Henson's corner if Henson does a couple of Blackistone's interviews in the buff. Maybe that's what Blackistone really likes.

Charles, Charles, Charles. Come on, you and I are past the point of needing to be coy about this. "Not up or down on Henson?" My man you've been down on him since the day I said I like him. You're the guy big on sig pics remember? Look at yours. That's ambivalent to you?

Guess I'm not the only one that noticed the obvious here.

 

[Charles]

Charles, Charles, Charles. Come on, you and I are past the point of needing to be coy about this. "Not up or down on Henson?" My man you've been down on him since the day I said I like him. You're the guy big on sig pics remember? Look at yours. That's ambivalent to you?

Me........... coy!!

I've been described as being arrogant. Maybe because I am not scared to state my opinion with conviction. I never hold back. If I thought Henson was a turd. I'd state it. Trust me......... your opinion of him doesn't affect my judgment or opinion one way or the other.

I thought it was idiotic to compare the Henson to Staubach or Troy before he even broke wind at Valley Ranch. That was the beef of my argument. I had the same sediments when Spags, JJT, Lebreton etc were writing articles about Chad Hutchinson excuting passes in his first mini-camp at Valley ranch not seen since the days of Aikman.........they've been known as mediots to me ever since.

I like my sig . It describes Henson's crouching stance when he's in the pocket and also alludes to his hidden talent that has yet to be tapped.

Let's be honest for a change here okay? There are positions that you will NEVER risk a player being picked up off of the PS and QB is one of them. I wouldn't put Tony Romo on the PS either. Even if he were having a rough camp and pre season.

IMHO Henson hasn't shown anything to indicate he's the prospect everyone thought he was, therefore based on factual evidence to dated he shouldn't be considered a high risk on the PS.

Romo has distanced himself from Henson. As detailed by Parcells, Romo is way ahead in our offensive system. He's been by all accounts a better player in camp than Henson and Bledsoe. Infact this is the 2nd time he's defeated Henson in a training camp setting, therefore I wouldn't put him on the practice squad either because he's proven to be a valuable asset with a significant role on our team.

If he didn't distance himself from Henson going into his 3rd year, He should have been cut.......I always thought it was Romo not Henson's neck on the line this off-season. Romo up until that stupid pass in the Seahawk game was a better by all accounts.

QBs you either waive them or you put them on the roster. But the way they go down with injuries you do not risk someone deciding they need your QB. It's foolish thinking at best.

Thats your opinion. I somewhat agree, but What has Henson done to date that would make a team think.......... gosh we lost our Qbs to injury we should go get that guy.........

Practice squad is a place to "hide" players in some respects and pray you can develop them there while no one pays attention. You don't "hide" QBs. The most scrutinized position in all of sports.

Well if anyone has been scrutinizing Henson lately there isn't much worth mentioning. He has the tools but so do a dozen other QBs in the NFL who won't make a 53 man roster.

I don't think he's earned a roster spot yet. Thats my opinion. The coaching staff might think differently. I am not under any illusions that my opinion carries any weight in the decision making process, but I'd rather have Eric Ogbogu, Fowler, Tucker or an slightly injured Beriault whom have atleast shwon some progress than a player with potential whom seemed to have regressed.

 

[Rack]

Did you see Carr against us the other night. He was terrible. He's terrible against any team with a half-way good defense.

Which is exactly why Blackistone's article is moronic, and far from "the truth".


Throwing a 1st round pick at a QB doesn't guarantee fixing the problem. Carr is proof of that, not to mention a whole horde of other QBs throughout history.

 

[Charles]

Yes, cuz we all know the 3rd string QB is supposed to be a former NFL MVP, or at least a former probowler.



The 3rd string QB is SUPPOSE to be a developing QB.

Who said the 3rd string QB is supposed to be a former NFL MVP or atleast a former Pro Bowler.

I guess you have to make stuff up as you go to prove a point ........

Charles thought Clarett would be Denver's starting RB by midseason. Don't put much stock into anything he says.

Yeah I did, but It's quite impossible if he gets injured don't you think.

This coming from guy who tried to change the parameters you set on a bet after you lost.

Still digesting that crow from the bet you lost on draft day. This might help :beer2:.

How's Clarett these days anyway?

He's rehabbing his groin injury.

 

[Rack]

Yeah I did, but It's quite impossible if he gets injured don't you think.

This coming from guy who tried to change the parameters you set on a bet after you lost.

1. Clarett was cut cuz he sucks. Period.

2. You said he'd be a 2nd round pick. You were wrong. You lost the bet. Period.


Henson is and will be our 3rd QB this year and will be on the roster. Get over it.

 

[Charles]

1. Clarett was cut cuz he sucks. Period.

So why didn't this info. come out when he was healthy and playing well early in camp before the injury. Do some research in the local Denver papers. Clarett was getting rave reviews prior to the groin injury. Your ignorance it very evident.

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2. You said he'd be a 2nd round pick. You were wrong. You lost the bet. Period.

I stated he'd be a 1st day pick you disagreed. We made a bet.

Do I have to pull up the archived thread it's readily available.

 

[Rack]

So why didn't this info. come out when he was healthy and playing well early in camp before the injury. Do some research in the local Denver papers. Clarett was getting rave reviews prior to the groin injury. Your ignorance it very evident.

lmao!!!!

Rave reviews!!!!! Too funny, too funny.



Still can't admit he sucks and was a major mistake, huh? Teams don't cut rookie 3rd round picks due to injury. Period. He was cut cuz he sucks.


And you stated he's be a 2nd round pick. Clarett's sweaty jock smell clouding your memory?

 

[scotth66]

Looks like the joke is on us. Thank You, Houston.




Thank goodness we have Bledsoe and Romo this year. Jerry needs to stay away from making any decisions regarding QB. Me thinks Jerry has a drinking problem.

TYPICAL post by a Henson Hater. What is the big deal by sitting him and allowing him another year to learn the system and refine his mechanics. Sheesh Im glad you arent the coach or GM since the Landry Rule was 3 years or out. Henson is in JUST his second year.

 

[Dallas4ever]

Just added Blackistone to the list of moronic mediots that I hate.


There's only like 3 that I don't hate.

What took you so long. Can't stand him myself. Very rarely writes or says anything that's logical as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Rack]

And it's funny how you realize you were getting your butt handed to you in the Henson debate so you ran with the chance to shift the attention to Maurice Clarett. lol

 

[Charles]

2. You said he'd be a 2nd round pick. You were wrong. You lost the bet. Period.

Once again making stuff as you go along................The mods should warn you for this

Here's the link......http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22278&page=2&highlight=Clarett+draft

RB is one of the easier positions to learn in football. Its the reason RBs don't get drafted as high as they used to, normally. Who expected NO RBs to get drafted in the top 23 picks last year?

That same reason is the reason no one will take a huge gamble on Clarett. Cuz they can find RBs later w/o taking a risk. Clarett will be a second day pick. Period. I'll be anyone here $20 on that. Please, take that bet cuz I could use the $$$.

In reply:

Hey I'll take that bet, but if I win I don't want your money, Keep it, just have a couple of beers on me preferrably ice cold Sam Adams.

I think Clarett will be a 1st day pick!!!!!

Is it a bet Rack?

In reply:

It's a bet!

 

[Rack]

Ok, I lost the bet, but you still predicted Clarett to be a second round pick. PERIOD.


You have us drafting him with the 42nd pick in your "Mock" draft. Why should the mods warn me? lol


Getting your feelings hurt cuz you're realizing you were wrong about Clarett? How many teams are knocking down his door to sign this great 2nd round talent anyway?

 

[Charles]

And it's funny how you realize you were getting your butt handed to you in the Henson debate so you ran with the chance to shift the attention to Maurice Clarett. lol

Well you brought Clarett to prove my opinion isn't credible. I didn't bring it up. As noted in my previous post. I shot your credabilty evidence to shreds. You lost the bet.

Anyway back to Henson........Henson based on his performance in camp isn't one of the top 53 players on this team. Your opinion is based on potential and development.

I can easily argue that their are other players with potential and developmental capabilites whom have performed better in camp.

 

[RoysAHitta]

what do we truly have to show for not drafting a qb in the first round in 10 years? you would think your team would be stacked with talent somewhere by sacrificing the qb position. now yea we got talent but its rookies, hopefully they are good. as bad as our drafting has been, why in the heck wouldnt we ever draft a qb in the first round? what are gaining by not doing it?

 

[Rack]

Well you brought Clarett to prove my opinion isn't credible.

Considering you had us taking him in the 2nd round in your mock draft, it proves my point.


And I didn't say you brought up Clarett, I said you ran with the chance to change the subject as soon as you had the chance cuz you were getting your butt handed to you in the Henson debate.


And you shot my credibility to shreds? He was taken with the last pick in the 3rd round, which is a lot closer to the 4th round then you're second round pick prediction. Not to mention Shanahan has already come out and ADMITTED drafting Clarett was a MISTAKE.

 

[Charles]

Ok, I lost the bet, but you still predicted Clarett to be a second round pick. PERIOD.

Yes you did lose the bet. News to you but not me.

I didn't predict he'd be a 2nd RD pick.

Do you know what MOCK means................?

It was a mock draft.

You have us drafting him with the 42nd pick in your "Mock" draft. Why should the mods warn me? lol

That was my opinion. I stand by it. I don't have to change the parameters or warp the take.

Getting your feelings hurt cuz you're realizing you were wrong about Clarett? How many teams are knocking down his door to sign this great 2nd round talent anyway?

If Clarett was healthy and didn't nail down the starting job by mid-season, I would have been proven wrong. He got injured and now we'll never know.

Guys like you need to get you're head out of your butt, stop listening to all the drivel that national media spew to justify their opinion on Clarett from day one.

This is an article written by a Bronco's beat writer whom has been there from day one, with comments from teammates........Get educated before you toss a kid out with the dirty bath water.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=4587

End of the Run for Clarett

Performance Of Other Four Running Backs Spawned Decision to Release Third-Rounder


Maurice Clarett didn't see much action in training-camp practices as he grappled with a groin injury.

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- Despite the fact that Maurice Clarett was a first-day draft pick, the subject of public attention because of his Ohio State career and its aftermath and a résumé that included a starring role for an unbeaten, national-title-winning team, Head Coach Mike Shanahan's decision to release him proved to be a fairly simple, clear-cut one.

"He wasn't going to be one of our top four running backs," Shanahan said following Monday afternoon's practice. "I've been really pleased with our running backs.

"The way they've performed and the lack of practice time with Maurice, we decided to go in a different direction."

With those words, Shanahan confirmed what several media outlets reported Sunday, that the team had decided to part ways with Clarett just over four months after selecting him with the final pick of the draft's first day, a selection that arched the eyebrows of observers and helped make national-television crews a staple at the Broncos' facility during the organized team activities of the offseason.

While Clarett was healthy for the offseason practices, he missed two weeks of training camp with a groin injury. He was listed as fifth on the depth chart throughout the preseason, and while he suited up for the preseason games against San Francisco and Indianapolis the past two weeks, he never got onto the field.

"He wasn't getting those reps that he was used to getting, so he got a little down," safety Nick Ferguson said. "Everybody took their chances to try to talk to him and keep his spirits up, but all in all, at the end of the day, the coaches make the final decision, and I guess the coach made a decision that was best for the team."

Meanwhile, the Broncos' other running backs each showed flashes of brilliance both on the practice field and during the preseason games. Mike Anderson, who missed all of 2004 with a torn groin, has averaged 8.8 yards per carry in the three August games and turned in the longest run in team history with his 93-yard touchdown scamper against the Colts. Tatum Bell has amassed 75 yards and scored a touchdown against San Francisco and offseason signee Ron Dayne has averaged 4.9 yards on 29 carries, while Quentin Griffin ran for 33 yards during second-half action two days ago against the Colts in his first game-time work since last October.

The fact that Griffin, Anderson and Bell answered their injury questions left little room for Clarett.

"I wasn't really sure about Q going into the last game," Shanahan said. "I felt good about him (after Saturday), and we've got four guys that I believe can play."

Clarett leaves as the third first-day draft pick to never play a regular-season down for the Broncos in the past 10 years; the team has made 34 picks in the first three rounds in that span. Defensive tackle Mark Campbell (1996) and defensive end Paul Toviessi (2001) also never saw action in the regular season.

"Anytime you cut somebody (selected) in the third round, obviously you feel like you made a mistake," Shanahan said. "In a true evaluation of your organization, anytime you use a third-round draft choice and they don't make your team, obviously it's not good. We've made mistakes before and we'll make mistakes in the future, but we're going to do the best thing for the team.

"Just because we draft somebody in the third round doesn't mean they're automatically going to be on our football team. We've done it with first- (and) second-rounders before. You don't feel very good about those scenarios, but they do happen. The bottom line is you've got to do what's best for your football team. We've had free agents that beat out first-round draft choices in the past, and I'm sure it'll happen again in the future."

Some reports speculated on Clarett's place within the social fabric of the team, but neither fullback Kyle Johnson nor Ferguson indicated that Clarett had any unusual problems fitting into the group.

"He was a rather cool guy," Ferguson said. "He spoke with people. Obviously, with anybody, you come to a new situation, you have to get used to certain people, so me and him were actually all right. I talked to him every once in a while and just tried to give him a little encouragement because at times he was down because he was used to starting."

Said Johnson: "He was trying to understand the way this team operates -- a very different scenario than where he came from, but a professional situation nonetheless. He was getting adjusted. Was it smooth? Not necessarily; it seldom is. He was working through the process."

Shanahan had indicated that Clarett would see time during Friday's preseason-ending game at Arizona, but the emergence of Griffin and the other backs made it a moot point.

"We'd thought about that, but I felt so good about our running backs and what they've done I wasn't going to give him playing time and take away from our other four running backs," Shanahan said. "Cecil Sapp has impressed me as well; he can not only play the fullback position, but play the tailback position as well, and how those guys have practiced over the past couple of months, I was more attuned to give those guys the reps rather than go in the other direction."

Ferguson was surprised at the decision.

"I thought (Clarett) would at least be around and play in this last preseason game, but obviously, I don't make decisions around here," Ferguson said. "They always say there's a plan, so I guess there was always a plan in mind, and whether he panned out was part of it. I guess Coach had to make the decision that would probably affect our roster and our practice roster."

Nevertheless, Shanahan still sees an NFL future for Clarett.

"He's got a lot of talent," Shanahan said. "We've got some backs that I've got a lot of confidence in and I still feel very strongly that Maurice will get a chance to contribute to another team in the National Football League."

Added Johnson: "If worst comes to worst, he gained some knowledge and experience in a professional football camp. That's one thing he walks away with."

 

[jazzcat22]

A lot of media is going to be eating a lot of crow in a year or two.

By then they will completely forgotton and / or will deny what they write now. And will being saying how they told everyone to be patient, he was young and inexperienced.

Dale Hansen for sure will do this.