Blackistone: Looking for QB, Jerry? Try draft's first round

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wileedog said:
And if Henson progresses and eventually develops into a #1 QB he will have a greater impact going forward in Dallas than all three combined.

Risk/reward.
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Great point.
 

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BrAinPaiNt said:
Ahh but it is pretty much standard procedure for most NFL teams to have three QBs on the roster during the season EVEN if the third one is not active for many games.

It is not nothing new in other words and many times those players that are developmental that take up a last roster spot ....are inactive during many games.
I agree but a guy like Crayton could be listed as our 3rd string QB, with the hopes that Henson can clear waivers and be signed to the practice squad.

Guys are fighting for roster spots and at this point, guys like Fowler, Bickerstaff Pepper Johnson, Beriault etc deserve the roster spot more than Henson who hasn't done squat.
 

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Charles said:
I agree but a guy like Crayton could be listed as our 3rd string QB, with the hopes that Henson can clear waivers and be signed to the practice squad.

Guys are fighting for roster spots and at this point, guys like Fowler, Bickerstaff Pepper Johnson, Beriault etc deserve the roster spot more than Henson who hasn't done squat.
Henson would be claimed off the Practice Squad. The Cowboys won't risk it. They've as much as said so already. Pipe dream.
 

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wileedog said:
And if Henson progresses and eventually develops into a #1 QB he will have a greater impact going forward in Dallas than all three combined.

Risk/reward.
Very true and who says he can't develop on the practice squad. We'll have first hand knowledge. The roster spot can be given to a player that deserves after earning it in camp.............not based on IF.....EVENTUAL......

If he shows progress in practice the Cowboys can sign him up to 53 man roster.
 

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Charles said:
I agree but a guy like Crayton could be listed as our 3rd string QB, with the hopes that Henson can clear waivers and be signed to the practice squad.

Guys are fighting for roster spots and at this point, guys like Fowler, Bickerstaff Pepper Johnson, Beriault etc deserve the roster spot more than Henson who hasn't done squat.


You got a guy in Crayton that is getting the WR spot and needs to spend all of his time concentrating on that spot.

No need to then turn around and say....we need you to start getting practice time in as a QB just in case...so we want you to go to QB meetings and WR meetings and so on.

Not that it could not or has not happened, but I think it would be unwise to do so with crayton at this point.

Leave Henson where he is, let him get more time in the system and if he still has not shown enough to warrant keeping him next offseason then I am sure it will be addressed then.

That third spot is just for players like Henson to try and develope.

Sure PS would also be a place for him to go but chances are he would be scooped up by another team to be a 3rd QB with hopes that the rewards outweigh the risks as others have said.
 

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Hostile said:
Henson would be claimed off the Practice Squad. The Cowboys won't risk it. They've as much as said so already. Pipe dream.
Maybe he could be claimed. But what has Henson done other win a QB beauty contest to show anyone in the NFL he's worth roster spot.

I am not up or down on Henson. Unlike some i know it takes 3-4 years (sound familiar). I just think he hasn't earned a roster spot. I suggest you do a quick roster and look at the players that could be released. A guy like Crayton could serve as the 3rd string QB and another young developmental player that played better, graded out better and deserves the spot could be kept.

Things like that don't go unnoticed on teams.
 

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Charles said:
Thats exactly what am suggesting.........The developmental player could also be a guy that will have a chance to play and contribute this season. A guy like Pepper Johnson, Tony Curtis or Beriualt are considered developmental players whom have better cahcne of contributing that Henson does this season.

The third string QB is generally reserved for a developing young QB prospect.

Tony Curtis would be inactive every week anyway if he made the active roster.

Beriault is probably going to make the squad anyway. I think once he proved he could play hurt (and play well) that sealed the deal. If he was in jeopardy, BP would have played him against Houston.

Pepper Johnson? I like him, but how much is he going to play? Ferguson didn't get $9 million to sit on the bench. Glover is a pretty high caliber backup. Canty/Glover/Spears are probably your nickel tackles.

I doubt Henson would clear waivers to make the practice squad anyway. Your chances are much better of landing Curtis or Johnson on there.
 

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Charles said:
Maybe he could be claimed. But what has Henson done other win a QB beauty contest to show anyone in the NFL he's worth roster spot.

I am not up or down on Henson. Unlike some i know it takes 3-4 years (sound familiar). I just think he hasn't earned a roster spot. I suggest you do a quick roster and look at the players that could be released. A guy like Crayton could serve as the 3rd string QB and another young developmental player that played better, graded out better and deserves the spot could be kept.

Things like that don't go unnoticed on teams.
I get what you are saying Charles, but I don't think you can afford to put too many 3rd round picks (which is essentially what Henson is) on the practice squad.

You gave up a 3rd for him and you plan on developing him. IMO it does not make sense to essentially give him away by placing him on the practice squad.
 

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Henson on the practice squad is asinine.

And the article posted in this thread sucked.
 

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Charles said:
Maybe he could be claimed. But what has Henson done other win a QB beauty contest to show anyone in the NFL he's worth roster spot.

I am not up or down on Henson. Unlike some i know it takes 3-4 years (sound familiar). I just think he hasn't earned a roster spot. I suggest you do a quick roster and look at the players that could be released. A guy like Crayton could serve as the 3rd string QB and another young developmental player that played better, graded out better and deserves the spot could be kept.

Things like that don't go unnoticed on teams.

How do you know how the players graded out? Who's to say Henson didn't grade out higher than these guys you are worried about?

If you are going to keep a developmental guy on your roster, keep one that you have dollars and draft picks invested in. One that plays a premier position, not an undrafted TE thats going to be inactive every week anyway.
 

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montgod said:
That's the problem, who in the Cowboys franchise viewed Henson as a "franchise qb?"

I think Bill.

It's the Joe Torre incident that is so telling.

Bill had a pile of work to do immediately after JJ hired him, not the least of which was relocating and familiarizing himself with the workings at Valley Ranch...sniffing out leaks and finding himself a staff. He admitted he was so overwhelmed with the evaluation of the Dallas roster, he knew from the start he had to call in some old buddies to help once camp went in - Wolf, Fairbanks, Coughlin - but during the off season he was looking at film like mad..apparently that is how far back he assessed poor Hutch.

Parcells was so buried under work, and is such a stickler for detail, but he still found time, within days of being hired, to enquire about Henson of Joe Torre, as to if and when the Yankees were going to release him. You don't bother doing that for a guy you think may be the future backup.

And if you read the longish JJT piece on how Drew was signed, you feel Bill was every bit a much a Parcells pick as he was a Jones pick. Even more really.

The only difference between BP and JJ re Henson is the timeline. Jerry, coming off a spate of rather poor QB decisons, would have liked nothing less than for Henson to solve the problem immediately. Tuna knew how raw Drew was and what it would take to be a successful QB, and intended to develop him right.

"Last Thanksgiving" , imo, was not about Parcells demonstrating his low regard for Drew, but about letting his boss know in no uncertain terms he wasn't going to rush any of HIS players to the detriment of the team and the player.

Henson is the future in both their eyes, imo.


On this 'stealing thing' of Blackistone's.........'this is the second time a DMN writer has maintained in as many years our players are thieves.

Last year it was JJT and Roy who was pulling the wool over JJ's eyes.

Maybe there is something not so subliminal going on at the DMN and these guys are being told they too, are 'stealing' their paychecks, and it's just on their minds. ;)

But I don't think an athlete (or anyone who works for a living) can be insulted more than to be called a thief who is getting over on the largess of his employer..

It's the wrong way to go about criticizing, and even tho much if not most of this anti-Henson fervor cropping up is nothing REALLY against Drew, but more slaps at Bill and Jerry...that line was uncalled for.
 

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InmanRoshi said:
Dallas media and fans are so bloodthirsty and frothing at the mouth for their "next Aikman" that they don't have the have the patience or outlook to develop a QB properly. Even if they drafted a QB with a Top 10 pick, they would chew him up and spit him out within 24 months and move onto the next great hope. "Gotta stick him out there and see whatta he can do !!" I'll tell you what he's going to do, he's going to suck .. like 99% of all young QB's that have played in this league have. After four or five bad performances in a row, he's toast in this city. Troy Aikman couldn't even be the "the next Aikman" in Dallas' current environment. Parcells is currently the only thing keeping Dallas from devouring Henson. Parcells is the best thing that ever happened to Drew Henson. Hopefully he'll stay here long enough to keep the wolves at bay until he's ready. But the amount of scrutiny Henson is getting now is miniscule compared to the scrutiny he would have gotten had Jerry trotted him out there to complete the 2nd half of last year to stink it up. Make no mistake about it, if Dallas would have done that last year there would have been riots for Aaron Rogers with that 11th pick, much less 20th.


Right on.

Bill is indeed Drew's best friend.

And has been since Day One.
 

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LaTunaNostra said:
"Last Thanksgiving" , imo, was not about Parcells demonstrating his low regard for Drew, but about letting his boss know in no uncertain terms he wasn't going to rush any of HIS players to the detriment of the team and the player.
Exactly. I can just hear Parcells to Jones at halftime of that game: "Any more bright ideas, Jer?"

I think we should all count our lucky stars that Jones was smart enough to put his ego aside, and that Parcells had the patience not to quit over it. I guess it shows it's a much bigger deal to "us" than it is to them, huh.

There are a lot of players who did nothing for 3 years and became good QB's. Enough with the premature evaluations.
 

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Blackistone serves as a deacon (along with some of our own members ;) ) in "The Church of the Q"...

In his eyes, no other pastor will ever measure up to Rev. Q...

Take this article as a shot at all things not Q...
 

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SultanOfSix said:
Yeah right. Everyone knows that Bill hates Henson. ;)
That's right!

Because he pulled him on Thankgiving Day for a QB who gave us a shot to win that game. Drew wasn't reading the blitzes that day, and who could expect him to be ready to?

When a player isn't ready, you don't play him.

Especially when there is still a statistical, if minute chance for the playoffs.

But it doesn't matter what the situation is, you don't throw a player who is not even ready to benefit from the experience in.

Why, so WE can get to evaluate him? ;)

WE are exactly the ones who would have him shipped out by now for looking like what he is...a project.
 

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Charles said:
Maybe he could be claimed. But what has Henson done other win a QB beauty contest to show anyone in the NFL he's worth roster spot.

I am not up or down on Henson. Unlike some i know it takes 3-4 years (sound familiar). I just think he hasn't earned a roster spot. I suggest you do a quick roster and look at the players that could be released. A guy like Crayton could serve as the 3rd string QB and another young developmental player that played better, graded out better and deserves the spot could be kept.

Things like that don't go unnoticed on teams.
Charles, Charles, Charles. Come on, you and I are past the point of needing to be coy about this. "Not up or down on Henson?" My man you've been down on him since the day I said I like him. You're the guy big on sig pics remember? Look at yours. That's ambivalent to you?

Let's be honest for a change here okay? There are positions that you will NEVER risk a player being picked up off of the PS and QB is one of them. I wouldn't put Tony Romo on the PS either. Even if he were having a rough camp and pre season.

QBs you either waive them or you put them on the roster. But the way they go down with injuries you do not risk someone deciding they need your QB. It's foolish thinking at best.

Practice squad is a place to "hide" players in some respects and pray you can develop them there while no one pays attention. You don't "hide" QBs. The most scrutinized position in all of sports.
 

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trickblue said:
Blackistone serves as a deacon (along with some of our own members ;) ) in "The Church of the Q"...

In his eyes, no other pastor will ever measure up to Rev. Q...

Take this article as a shot at all things not Q...

The Church of Q Ten Commandments:
1. Thou shalt love thy bong.
2. Thou shalt not wear clothes while being interviewed by reporters you don't like.
3. Thou shalt be limited to 1/3 of the field.
4. Thou shalt inspire a devout and zealous following despite your lack of talents.
5. Thou shalt drive the bus
6. Thou shalt not drive the bus into a tree.
7. Seriously, thou shalt not run the bus into a tree.
8. Thou shalt not back up and repeatedly run the bus into the tree.
9. Thou shalt run away from the bus that is tipped over and engulfed in flames.
10. Thou shalt give up the keys to the bus.
 

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Rack said:
Just added Blackistone to the list of moronic mediots that I hate.


There's only like 3 that I don't hate.

The truth hurts doesn't it.
 

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blindzebra said:
A lot of media is going to be eating a lot of crow in a year or two.


Dream on. All of you Hensonites will be swearing you never thought Henson would make it or just change the subject or say they didn't give Chad a chance, I mean Drew a chance.
 
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