Bledsoe climbing the all time lists

[Nors]

Yeah, I'm the only hater on the board who says arguing about who the backup is doesn't matter because we should be pulling for Bledsoe.

It feels strange, but it is what it is.

The backup battle that Tony Romo won?

And yes Bledsoe easily beat out the backups to start and will do so as long as he wants to play football.

 

[Nors]

This is a discussion board and you were all over the Henson debates. Fence straddling post facto down playing signifigance now - lol

Go get the bag of ice out.


Back to Drew HOF - He's halfway to doing what we need this year. Get this team in the playoffs and we have a QB and defense that can win big games.

Drew does that and he's HOF worthy.

 

[burmafrd]

P Manning is the only one that has a serious chance at beating Marino's passing records. 92.6 rating at this time in his career. Will probably finish 2nd to Young in rating. BUT TO BEAT MARINO's numbers he has to double what he has NOW. After 8 years. Not very likely. But possible.

 

[Nors]

50,000 yards in a career

You would have to throw 3,000 yards a season

And you would get there in 17th season. At age 33 what Drew has accomplished is a fete.

 

[kmd24]

In those 8 games, Marino went 844 for 1188 for 9886 yards with 120 TDs and 26 INTs, a 120.5 rating (1235 yards and 15 TDs/3 INT per game).

Helluva 8 game stretch. Per game: 105/148 for 1236 yards and 15 TD's

Am I misunderstanding?

 

[Trip]

Marino and Elway averaged 238 games in their career. Assuming Drew finishes with that many games (meaning he plays 3 more years after this one), and assuming he maintains his career pace (not this seasons pace), Drew will finish with 4777 completions (#2) out of 8435 Attempts (#2) for 55,454 yards (#2) and 309 touchdowns (#4). Screw the rating. He's in on those numbers.

No, he's not.

Because a lot of voters will look at his his numbers and say, he just did it for a long time and accumulated numbers, but didn't do it at a hall of fame level.

And for the record, I don't think Aikman is a Hall of Famer without the Superbowls.

I suppose Vinny Testaverde is a Hall of Famer, too?

You also compared him to Elway. Bledoe needs to finish his career the way Elway did. Elway put up the best passing seasons of his career the last five or so years he was in the league, and he won a couple of Superbowls. In 1992, no way was Elway looking like a HOFer. Bledsoe does that, he's in. You can't keep throwing Bledsoe's numbers out and say he's comparable to this guy or that guy, when they're championship quarterbacks and Bledsoe's not yet.

 

[Hostile]

The backup battle that Tony Romo won?

And yes Bledsoe easily beat out the backups to start and will do so as long as he wants to play football.

The self fulfilling prophecy.

Did I call it, or did I call it?

Amazing.

 

[ravidubey]

I'm rooting for him. He's got a hall of fame arm. But I think championships are his only ticket at this point.

You're right he could hit 60,000 but that qb rating really hurts him honestly. It suggests he's had an average career and with the competition, any stat that suggests you're average, never mind the most important one... it'll be tough.

I agree with this take. For whatever reasons, it hasn't happened for Drew. That's the way the ball bounces, but if he wins a championship-- that would be huge and would put him one step closer.

It's brainless comparing Bledsoe to Marino-- Marino is #1 in attempts, yards, completions, and TD's. That's plain ridiculous. Was it a formula for winning, no, but it got him into the HOF.

Better comparisons might be to Warren Moon and another ex-Patriot, Jim Plunkett.

Plunkett won two Superbowls, and threw the prettiest passes this side of... Warren Moon. The problem with Plunkett was accuracy early in his career (thanks to a horrible team around him) and durability later. He never was able to put together the perfect season (he never had 3000 yards passing), but he got those two rings in Oakland/LA. Pedigree (he was the #1 pick in the draft) and 2 rings weren't enough for the HOF to look past his lack of durabiliy and "paltry" 25882 passing yards in 15 seasons.

Moon was a great passer-- he reached 4000 yards four times in his career, 3000+ another eight times, and averaged 237 yards per game he played. To equal Moon's passing yards and TDs, Bledsoe would have to average nearly 270 yards and 2 TDs per game for the next 28 games (he'd also need to rush for another 1009 yards and 15 TDs ). Moon also broke ground for African Americans in football and has been a Walter Payton Man of the Year Award winner (1989) off the field (Marino won in 1998). I think Moon will be a lock for the HOF.

Conclusion: Rings, pedigree, and stats aren't enough-- you need all three unless you are overwhelming in one category.

IMO, Bledsoe needs a ring and that combined with his pedigree and statistics should place him in contention. I think to better his chances, he really needs to demonstrate how good a passer he is before and after winning that ring. He needs to wash the negative stigma of 2003 and 2004 (amazing how two years can make such a negative impression) off of him.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Not the Bledsoe HOF argument again... geez.

 

[Hostile]

Not the Bledsoe HOF argument again... geez.

Ever seen anything like it?

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Ever seen anything like it?

Unfortunately there is a recurring trend of the "Refs screwed us", that I happen to read on another board week after week.

:laugh2:

 

[Tio]

Not the Bledsoe HOF argument again... geez.

Noone is forcing you to read this.

 

[Cowchips]

No, he's not.

Because a lot of voters will look at his his numbers and say, he just did it for a long time and accumulated numbers, but didn't do it at a hall of fame level.

And for the record, I don't think Aikman is a Hall of Famer without the Superbowls.

I suppose Vinny Testaverde is a Hall of Famer, too?

You also compared him to Elway. Bledoe needs to finish his career the way Elway did. Elway put up the best passing seasons of his career the last five or so years he was in the league, and he won a couple of Superbowls. In 1992, no way was Elway looking like a HOFer. Bledsoe does that, he's in. You can't keep throwing Bledsoe's numbers out and say he's comparable to this guy or that guy, when they're championship quarterbacks and Bledsoe's not yet.

You don't really know that. He would be one of only 4 QBs, with 50,000 yds and the rest are in the HOF. That's a pretty rare accomplishment, no matter how much people want to trivialize it. He would have to be considered better than guys like Fouts at that point.

 

[Cowchips]

Ever seen anything like it?

Not from the Commanders. The best they ever had was Joe "friggin" Theisman, Mr. Journeyman QB.

 

[Mike 1967]

I was one that strongly criticized Bledsoe after the 1st 3 weeks of pre-season.

I stand corrected. The guy is lights out. I am glad he is our QB. And I'm glad I was wrong

 

[Nors]

I love the posters that read it, post in the thread complaining about thread.

You don't want in on the discussion move on.

Look at Dan Fouts stats - thats the guy you need to gauge Bledsoe against.....

 

[Bob Sacamano]

here's my take on the matter

I agree 100% with the guy who said that he's only concerned about Bledsoe in Dallas, I am too, but if in his stay in Dallas, he furthers his HOF resume, and wins a Super Bowl, then that's great for us, as well as Drew's chances to make the HOF, we'd be essentially riding his rise into his HOF inception

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I love the posters that read it, post in the thread complaining about thread.

You don't want in on the discussion move on.

Look at Dan Fouts stats - thats the guy you need to gauge Bledsoe against.....

This is incorrect. Fouts played in a different era. You can not compare the passing games of that era to this. Bledsoe, IMO, has to do significantly more the Fouts IMO. Will he do this? It's possible but I still believe that he has to win a championship before he can feel good about getting in. I don't really understand why your arguing this Nors. You, yourself, have agreed on this point as a matter of record.

 

[dallasfan]

Marino won how many championships?

Bledsoe has won 2 AFC championship games - on pace to break 50,000 yards passing and only 2-3 have ever done that, You just can't convince me you suck to do all that. Kid was drafted as a 20 year old Kid by Parcells.

He's lighting it up and a big reason we CRUSHED Eagles and are 5-3 and poised to make playoffs. Drew on pace for close to 30 TD's, 12 TD's. 62% completes and 4000 yards.

Drew haters are pissing into the wind.....

That doesn't make him hall of fame worthy. I'll admit I never liked Bledsoe much before, and he's playing great for us, but he isn't a hall of fame qb, atleast not w/o a superbowl (2001 doesn't count).

 

[Bob Sacamano]

well, we want him to get into the HOF, which would mean winning a Super Bowl...in DALLAS!