Bledsoe > Roethlisburger

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Roethlisberger = bus driver extraordinaire.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Roethlisberger = bus driver extraordinaire.

Then Bledsoe is a your "basic" bus driver.


Which is pretty accurate.

 

[JMead]

Ben shows good decision making because Pit doesnt put him in situations for him to make bad ones. Its run run run , PA pass , run run run , PA pass , run run , PA Rollout.

His true ability is masked because he doesnt have to do anything special. Pit better hope their defense stays healthy and stays good for Bens tenure with them..

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

It will all come down to who makes fewer mistakes. The steelers were not great last year, but ate up clock and made few mistakes. We ate up clock and made a bunch of mistakes. Hope we fare better this year.

Well said!

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Then Bledsoe is a your "basic" bus driver.


Which is pretty accurate.

So we agree neither is the prototypical "franchise QB" like Marino, Aikman, Montana or Elway?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

So we agree neither is the prototypical "franchise QB" like Marino, Aikman, Montana or Elway?

Bledsoe certainly isn't. He's a good QB, just a step down from those guys.

If Ben wins another SB in his career then yes I would say he is a franchise QB.

A bus driver may win one... but not two.

 

[Cochese]

Ben shows good decision making because Pit doesnt put him in situations for him to make bad ones. Its run run run , PA pass , run run run , PA pass , run run , PA Rollout.

His true ability is masked because he doesnt have to do anything special. Pit better hope their defense stays healthy and stays good for Bens tenure with them..

Yea, you are right, a young quarterback like Roethlisbeger has no chance of ever improving as his career progresses.

 

[percyhoward]

His true ability is masked because he doesnt have to do anything special.

He has done something special almost as many times as Bledsoe already, and he's only played two full seasons. He does something special on almost a regular basis. That running game of the Steelers is average, if you look at the yards per carry.

Funny thing is, Big Ben is a lot like Bledsoe, in that he will tend to hold on to the ball longer than he should, and he will take too many sacks. But he is infinitely more mobile than Drew, and he responds to pressure better than any QB playing right now.

When he's healthy of course.

 

[TSquare]

Then Bledsoe is a your "basic" bus driver.


Which is pretty accurate.

Not at all. Bledsoe is the could "win it all" F1 driver who brainfarts 2 or 3 times as season and wrecks his car.

 

[Kilyin]

That running game of the Steelers is average, if you look at the yards per carry.

Yeah, the Steelers' running game was so 'average' that it was ranked 5th in the league last year. Sure, they averaged 4.0 YPC collectively (which still ranked 12th overall, hardly average), but when you are cranking out 140 yards rushing per game, who cares? People are way too wrapped up in the YPC stat.

 

[percyhoward]

Yeah, the Steelers' running game was so 'average' that it was ranked 5th in the league last year. Sure, they averaged 4.0 YPC collectively (which still ranked 12th overall, hardly average), but when you are cranking out 140 yards rushing per game, who cares? People are way too wrapped up in the YPC stat.

12th overall in a 32-team league is average, or only a little better than average, if you want to split hairs.

The fact that they were able to rack up so many rushing yards was because they ran it so many times in the second half after building up a lead. Getting only 4 ypc means they did not likely build that lead by running the ball. That is where Big Ben comes in.

Check the stats. Look how many of Pittsburgh's rushing attempts came in the second half of the games. Look how many of the Steelers' plays in the first half were passes. Then get back to me.

Four yards is four yards. Without a QB who is good enough to get you a lead, and smart enough not to give it back, and a D good enough to hold the lead, four yards per carry won't get it done.

 

[percyhoward]

Roethlisberger's splits by half
1ST HALF 94 of 154....61.0%....1475 yards...9.58 ypa.....11 TD...4 INT...105.8
2ND HALF 74 of 114....64.9%.....910 yards....7.98 ypa.....6 TD.....5 INT....88.7

Parker's splits by half
1ST HALF 119 carries 462 yards.....3.9 ypc......0 TD......18 first downs
2ND HALF 130 carries 738 yards.....5.7 ypc......4 TD......28 first downs

Tell me who sets the table for whom.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Roethlisberger's splits by half
1ST HALF 94 of 154....61.0%....1475 yards...9.58 ypa.....11 TD...4 INT...105.8
2ND HALF 74 of 114....64.9%.....910 yards....7.98 ypa.....6 TD.....5 INT....88.7

Parker's splits by half
1ST HALF 119 carries 462 yards.....3.9 ypc......0 TD......18 first downs
2ND HALF 130 carries 738 yards.....5.7 ypc......4 TD......28 first downs

Tell me who sets the table for whom.

And with that overwhelming evidence...


I think someone has been OWNED!

 

[jay cee]

Bledsoe certainly isn't. He's a good QB, just a step down from those guys.

If Ben wins another SB in his career then yes I would say he is a franchise QB.

A bus driver may win one... but not two.

I would say Dan Marino and Dan Fouts were franchise QB's and they never won a superbowl.

So I can't see how Rothlesberger would be one just because he wins 2 in his career. Especially if he continues to play on teams that win by playing dominant defense and controlling the clock with a strong running games.

The fact that he is only in his 3rd season and should only continue to get better, is my reasoning for thinking that he will develop into a franchise QB, whether he wins another SB or not.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I would say Dan Marino and Dan Fouts were franchise QB's and they never won a superbowl.

I think you can add Moon, Kelly and Tarkenton also.

So I can't see how Rothlesberger would be one just because he wins 2 in his career. Especially if he continues to play on teams that win by playing dominant defense and controlling the clock with a strong running games.

Please name me a "bus driver" QB that has won two Superbowls?

The fact that he is only in his 3rd season and should only continue to get better, is my reasoning for thinking that he will develop into a franchise QB, whether he wins another SB or not.

I think he's on his way also.

 

[baj1dallas]

Big Ben is overrated, average passer at best.....granted he did make some great plays during the playoff run last year but was downright putrid in the superbowl win that was handed to them by referees.

Yea he's only a good, not great QB at this point in his career. But he is pretty close to a great "football player". He brings a lot of intangibles and in the end it's winning that's more important than putting up big numbers.

 

[ghst187]

do you really think that bledsoe is better than roethlesberger though?

I would hope not....I sure don't.
I think Roth is one of the more overrated QBs in the league but I'd still trade him for Bledsoe anyday.
I think Roth is top 6-8 QBs and Bledsoe is top half...maybe 8-12 range.

 

[Cowchips]

I would hope not....I sure don't.
I think Roth is one of the more overrated QBs in the league but I'd still trade him for Bledsoe anyday.
I think Roth is top 6-8 QBs and Bledsoe is top half...maybe 8-12 range.

Not to knock Big Ben but his biggest advantage over Bledsoe is youth.

Ask Bledsoe to win a SB by throwing 140 yds and letting the defense do the heavy lifting and I'm sure he could. It's easy not to make mistakes when your primary role is handing off to the running backs with the occasional throw.

Bledsoe's biggest problem is most of the teams he's played with have had terrible defenses and special teams..UNTIL NOW Just look at last year. Put a decent kicker on the Cowboys and they probably go to the SB and that's in spite of a mediocre defense.

Everyone wants to blame Bledsoe because that's what fans do. They go after the marquee player. When this season is over, if the Cowboys fail it'll most likely be because of TO injuries not Bledsoe. Just like in Buffalo when Moulds got hurt and everyone is blaming Bledsoe who is standing there taking a pounding.

 

[Hostile]

I'd take Roethlisberger over Bledsoe to guide this or any team at thsi point in their careers. Ben is more mobile by a mile and to this point he's shown better decision making capabilities in big games. You can't compare QBs on one game. Anyone who does that would tell you that Clint Longley was a great QB.

 

[Kilyin]

Four yards is four yards. Without a QB who is good enough to get you a lead, and smart enough not to give it back, and a D good enough to hold the lead, four yards per carry won't get it done.

Four yards per carry is a first down all day long. Averaging 140 yards a game on the ground will get alot of wins.

I don't care about the logistics and how many carries they had in the second half. That's all irrelevant. You called the Steelers' running game average, and that's just not true. I noticed you conveniently ignored the fact that their run game was top 5 in the NFL. Doesn't really support your average theory now does it?

Nice attempt at backpedaling though.