Bledsoe or Roethlisberger?

[Zaxor]

After this comment I guess its pretty safe to put you on ignore since not much useful can come from someone who thinks this.

Really I would be honored to be on your list

and Sister Mary Katherein has won just as many SB's as you boy has

 

[Doomsday101]

Problem with that theory is, how much of that is due to Drew's penchant for taking sacks or holding the ball too long? I.e. if D knows they can crowd the scrimmage and get to the QB or RB first, they don't have to worry about covering wrs too long. But say for Big Ben, he can run around and make plays, which makes the D cautious about blitzing etc all out.

Aikman could dump it off pretty quickly in those cases or could find TE/WR quickly which is why blitzing wasn't too good of an option. Anyway I guess we can go and on about this, but bottom line, I dont think Bledsoe at this point is better option than Big Ben in my opinion, and I guess we can agree to disagree like we always do

Not being able to run the ball has nothing to do with Bledsoe. Fact is Ben gets a lot of help from the running game which is why he is not being asked to put the ball up 30 some odd times a game he does not have to and Pitt does not want to do that either. I like Ben I would love to have him on this team, I also have nothing aginst Bledsoe and I think he is a very good QB in his own right.

 

[iceberg]

After this comment I guess its pretty safe to put you on ignore since not much useful can come from someone who thinks this.

well when all you are is a one-sided "salesman" for a player then it's not like anyone you ignore will be missing any decent conversation.

 

[iceberg]

Really I would be honored to be on your list

and Sister Mary Katherein has won just as many SB's as you boy has

with a little luck and a few prayers to sister mary, maybe i can get on that list also.

 

[Jarv]

did you study for this test?:laugh2:

Well I passed...This test was more about doing nothing than doing anything...If you catch my drift.

 

[Zaxor]

Not being able to run the ball has nothing to do with Bledsoe. Fact is Ben gets a lot of help from the running game which is why he is not being asked to put the ball up 30 some odd times a game he does not have to and Pitt does not want to do that either. I like Ben I would love to have him on this team, I also have nothing aginst Bledsoe and I think he is a very good QB in his own right.

What... that is all wrong Dooms...

Do you for a second believe that Bledsoe puts any pressure on LB's

If you have a game film of when the cowboys played the bills with Bledsoe as their QB watch our LB's..

there is way too much pressure on the oline because of Bledsoe and no room for the RB...

as you know in a 4-3 the DT's are suppose to keep the MLB free so he can make the tackle...The DT's not only did not bother with that the ends didn't even bother with contain... they knew they could get to Bledsoe and his RB not because the oline sucked but Bledsoe is slow to hand off, he is slow to read and he is slow on his setup... The D-line and the LB's don't have to worry about a good portion of the field of play because Bledsoe is no threat to them

With Bledsoe it is ALWAYS the O-lines fault...

Now I am positive that you will refuse to believe this...that of course won't change the truth of it...

TeamGAttAtt/GYdsAvgYds/GTDsFDs20+

2004 Dallas1644928.117693.9110.61410110

2005 Dallas1652132.618613.6116.313977

stats didn't come out right here is the link

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFC/OFF-RUSHING/2005/regular?sort_col_1=7

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFC/OFF-RUSHING/2004/regular?sort_col_1=7


Dallas rushed the ball better when Testy was the QB...with a worse Oline
with worse runners and without Glenn for half the season...

now you and I went over the o-line thing before about then and now and I am more convinced than ever that last years line was better even with the injury to Flo..

but if you want to join the crowd and claim it was the o-lines fault for.. whatever you want to calm it for...

just remember what I told you all before we signed this guy it is ALWAYS the oline's fault...

 

[Doomsday101]

What... that is all wrong Dooms...

Do you for a second believe that Bledsoe puts any pressure on LB's

If you have a game film of when the cowboys played the bills with Bledsoe as their QB watch our LB's..

there is way too much pressure on the oline because of Bledsoe and no room for the RB...

as you know in a 4-3 the DT's are suppose to keep the MLB free so he can make the tackle...The DT's not only did not bother with that the ends didn't even bother with contain... they knew they could get to Bledsoe and his RB not because the oline sucked but Bledsoe is slow to hand off, he is slow to read and he is slow on his setup... The D-line and the LB's don't have to worry about a good portion of the field of play because Bledsoe is no threat to them

With Bledsoe it is ALWAYS the O-lines fault... that is crap

Now I am positive that you will refuse to believe this...that of course won't change the truth of it...

TeamGAttAtt/GYdsAvgYds/GTDsFDs20+

2004 Dallas1644928.117693.9110.61410110 2005

Dallas1652132.618613.6116.313977

Dallas rushed the ball better when Testy was the QB...with a worse Oline
with worse runners and without Glenn for half the season...

now you and I went over the o-line thing before about then and now and I am more convinced than ever that last years line was better even with the injury to Flo..

but if you want to join the crowd and claim it was the o-lines fault for.. whatever you want to calim it for...

just remember what I told you all before we signed this guy it is ALWAYS the oline's fault...

Yes I watch the games (have not missed a single game since 1976) I watch a lot of games so lets just say we disagree on this point because I clearly do not agree with your opinion.

 

[Zaxor]

with a little luck and a few prayers to sister mary, maybe i can get on that list also.

Heck I don't even know how exclusive that list is maybe he invites anybody that doesn't agree with him...if that is the case it could be a million strong:laugh2:

 

[Zaxor]

Well I passed...This test was more about doing nothing than doing anything...If you catch my drift.

Glad you passed...after you wash it up you can send that Wizzanator back:laugh2:

 

[theogt]

Just to let you guys know, I'm not a big Bledsoe fan. I will however point out ridiculous statements whether they're made for or against any player.

 

[superpunk]

So Zaxor, to what do you attribute Curtis Martin's fantastic start to his career along with Bledsoe? Willis McGahee's vault into the spotlight? Travis Henry's career years playing with Bledsoe?

 

[Zaxor]

So Zaxor, to what do you attribute Curtis Martin's fantastic start to his career along with Bledsoe? Willis McGahee's vault into the spotlight? Travis Henry's career years playing with Bledsoe?

Curtis Martin is a fantastic back and the other 2 had enough speed to get outside of contain...Look I said he makes it more difficult to run I did not say he made it impossible to run sheesh...

 

[MichaelWinicki]

So Zaxor, to what do you attribute Curtis Martin's fantastic start to his career along with Bledsoe? Willis McGahee's vault into the spotlight? Travis Henry's career years playing with Bledsoe?

If you truly think that Curtis Martin's success as well as McGahee's and Travis Henry's were due to the "threat" posed by Bledsoe as QB?... I'm just in shock.

 

[superpunk]

Curtis Martin is a fantastic back and the other 2 had enough speed to get outside of contain...Look I said he makes it more difficult to run I did not say he made it impossible to run sheesh...

You drew the comparison between our running game with Vinny and Bledsoe, as if Bledsoe's presence is a detriment to the run game, no matter what. But with your above statement, you attribute the players success to their individual prowess as running backs. You would think that if Bledsoe made it more difficult for the run game, these backs would experience a boom in their numbers, once they were separated from him - when, in fact, the opposite is true.

The drop in run production was a product of bad Oline play, bad RB play, and teams game-planning to stop Julius. Trying to pin it on Bledsoe as you constantly do is not realistic.

 

[superpunk]

If you truly think that Curtis Martin's success as well as McGahee's and Travis Henry's were due to the "threat" posed by Bledsoe as QB... I'm just in shock.

I didn't even come close to saying that.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I didn't even come close to saying that.

I hope not.

 

[Alexander]

If you truly think that Curtis Martin's success as well as McGahee's and Travis Henry's were due to the "threat" posed by Bledsoe as QB?... I'm just in shock.

:laugh2:

 

[Gibbs II]

All this time and I forgot to add that Bledsoe has 33 4thQ Comebacks / OT wins.

So much for him not being clutch and finding ways to lose huh?

Well lets look at this year when game is within 7 in the fourth qtr...


49.3% (awful)
8Tds (hey not bad right?)
5INTS (oh, bad)
9 Sacks (ouch, throw the ball drew!)
72.4 Rating


So clutch man.


Lets go to last 2 minutes of half

46.9 % (even worse)
4Tds (well maybe they didnt have the ball much)
6INTS (well that theory just flopped)
6 sacks
49.4 rating (well at least he tried)

Stats by Qtr
1st 65.4% TDs 5 INTS 4 Sacks 8 Rating 90.8
2nd 59.7% 8 6 12 81.6
3rd 68.8% 2 2 20 92.5
4th 50.3% 8 5 9 73.9

Its not even funny how bad he is in crunch time. At the end of both halves he bad which is when you are supposed to be "clutch" right?

Then if you look at the o-line, he was sacked 20 times in the third Qtr, but that happened to be his BEST qtr statistically? Look, to me it just seems that Drew cant hack it. Sorry.


As for teams, looks at Favre's WRs when he was in him prime. He made those WRs great, not the other way around.

 

[Jarv]

So Zaxor, to what do you attribute Curtis Martin's fantastic start to his career along with Bledsoe? Willis McGahee's vault into the spotlight? Travis Henry's career years playing with Bledsoe?

Jumping in the middle here...I should go back and read more before I post this...but what the heck.

I thought Bledsoe supporters were arguing last night that Bledsoe would have done better if he had a running game support...and offensive line support.

Now I'm reading that he had great runners in Martin, Magahee and Henry.

I'm confused.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Well lets look at this year when game is within 7 in the fourth qtr...


49.3% (awful)
8Tds (hey not bad right?)
5INTS (oh, bad)
9 Sacks (ouch, throw the ball drew!)
72.4 Rating


So clutch man.


Lets go to last 2 minutes of half

46.9 % (even worse)
4Tds (well maybe they didnt have the ball much)
6INTS (well that theory just flopped)
6 sacks
49.4 rating (well at least he tried)

Stats by Qtr
1st 65.4% TDs 5 INTS 4 Sacks 8 Rating 90.8
2nd 59.7% 8 6 12 81.6
3rd 68.8% 2 2 20 92.5
4th 50.3% 8 5 9 73.9

Its not even funny how bad he is in crunch time. At the end of both halves he bad which is when you are supposed to be "clutch" right?

Then if you look at the o-line, he was sacked 20 times in the third Qtr, but that happened to be his BEST qtr statistically? Look, to me it just seems that Drew cant hack it. Sorry.


As for teams, looks at Favre's WRs when he was in him prime. He made those WRs great, not the other way around.

The sad truth is that you're right.

He can pull out a win once in a while which I sorta equate to even a blind squirel finding a nut now and again but no one should ever consider Bledsoe as the "last minute miracle man". We're not talking Jim Hart, Roger Staubach, Joe Montana, John Elway, Jim Kelley here...