Bob Hayes and Chuck Howley Finalists for the Hall

[Cajuncowboy]

Don't know if anyone saw this or posted it but I hope Hayes gets in finally. It's a travesty that he is not. Also, Howley deserves it as well.

Short Shots

Two more Cowboys were among the final four Seniors Committee considerations for the 2008 Pro Football Hall of Fame induction. Wide receiver Bob Hayes and linebacker Chuck Howley were included in the final four, along with Johnny Robinson and Tommy Nobis. That group will be pared down to two, and join the 15 finalists for consideration the day before Super Bowl XLII, Feb. 2, 2008, in Phoenix . . .

 

[Avery]

Awesome. Hopefully the committee doesn't screw the senior candidates again.

 

[big dog cowboy]

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92662

 

[Big Dakota]

Let's hope the bias the Hall of Fame Senior Selection Committee has against the old Cowboys doesn't continue to rear it's ugly head.

 

[Ashwynn]

Hopefully with the classy speaches that the boys have given lately, Wright and Irvin, maybe we loosened some of the bias.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Chuck Howley has never struck me as HOF material.
Even Drew Pearson surpasses this player
And how times have changed. Today I doubt that even Chuck Howley, bless his heart, would be hard-pressed to make any NFL team. Not to take anything away from his accomplishments in Dallas, but he's really second-tier IMHO.

 

[percyhoward]

Chuck Howley has never struck me as HOF material.

:bang2:

 

[Big Dakota]

Chuck Howley has never struck me as HOF material.
Even Drew Pearson surpasses this player
And how times have changed. Today I doubt that even Chuck Howley, bless his heart, would be hard-pressed to make any NFL team. Not to take anything away from his accomplishments in Dallas, but he's really second-tier IMHO.

So Zach Thomas can play now and Mike Singletary played in the 80's but Howley couldn't play now? I suppose Ray Nitschke, Dick Butkus and Sam Huff wouldn't be able to play now?

 

[5Stars]

Chuck Howley has never struck me as HOF material..

You must have been outside fixing that broken down radio tower of yours during the games he played in!

 

[Big Dakota]

You must have been outside fixing that broken down radio tower of yours during the games he played in!

Ya, here's his tower....

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

You must have been outside fixing that broken down radio tower of yours during the games he played in!

Darn that FCC!! Regulations, regulations. Iffin they only let me broadcast from that cave like in the good old days.
:laugh2:
CH, aside from the Super Bowl game, strictly second-tier.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Ya, here's his tower....

Ya, thanks, Dakota. hey, what does the C stand for?:laugh2:

 

[THUMPER]

Don't know if anyone saw this or posted it but I hope Hayes gets in finally. It's a travesty that he is not. Also, Howley deserves it as well.

Short Shots

Two more Cowboys were among the final four Seniors Committee considerations for the 2008 Pro Football Hall of Fame induction. Wide receiver Bob Hayes and linebacker Chuck Howley were included in the final four, along with Johnny Robinson and Tommy Nobis. That group will be pared down to two, and join the 15 finalists for consideration the day before Super Bowl XLII, Feb. 2, 2008, in Phoenix . . .

Howley and Hayes both belong in the HoF. That said, I am surprised that Nobis wasn't in a long time ago except that he played on some pretty lame Falcons teams (like his teammate Center Jeff Van Note who should also have been in a long time ago).

Howley played in more Pro-Bowls and was in more big games but I would put he and Nobis on par with each other as far as talent.

Johnny Robinson was an excellent DB for the Chiefs in the 60s (1960-1971) but the early days of the AFL were not exactly stocked with talent so you could say that he didn't play against the best competition. That would probably be an incorrect assumption though as he had his best seasons later in his career posting 43 INTs from 1966-1971 and only 14 from 1962-1965.

Not only that, he was a RB his first 2 seasons and didn't play DB until 1962 so he picked off 57 passes in 10 seasons playing DB. He was selected to 7 Pro-Bowls from 1963-1970 (only missing in 1969).

This will be a tough choice if they can only select 2 out of the 4 players. Obviously, I would like to see Hayes and Howley inducted but it wouldn't shock me to see one or both skipped over again.

As good as Nobis and Robinson were, IMO they didn't contribute as much to the game as Hayes or Howley and that should be the deciding factor but as we all know, the committee is made up of mediots and they will vote their biases as usual.

 

[percyhoward]

CH, aside from the Super Bowl game, strictly second-tier.

Which Super Bowl game are you referring to, his first one, in which he made 2 picks, recovered a fumble, and was named MVP? Or his second one, in which he made another pick and recovered another fumble?

But you're right, other than just those two Super Bowls (which make him the career takeaway leader in Super Bowls, btw) all he did was go to 6 Pro Bowls (5 as a starter) and make 5 consecutive All-NFL teams from 1966-70.

If you had a penny for every retired player who made at least 6 Pro Bowls, was a SBMVP, and was NOT in the Hall of Fame, you'd have exactly 2 cents. And as soon as Jerry Rice went in on the first ballot in a few years, you'd be down to your last penny.

 

[percyhoward]

Johnny Robinson was an excellent DB for the Chiefs in the 60s (1960-1971) but the early days of the AFL were not exactly stocked with talent so you could say that he didn't play against the best competition. That would probably be an incorrect assumption though as he had his best seasons later in his career posting 43 INTs from 1966-1971 and only 14 from 1962-1965

The AFL connection was probably the only thing that kept Robinson out of the hall when he was a finalist six times before. Of the other three candidates, only Hayes has ever been a finalist, and that was once.


Howley has at least these 3 things going for him:

1. OLB's are the most underrepresented position in the HOF among players who have played at all since 1970.

2. For the amount of success the Cowboys had from 1966-75, there aren't many Hall of Famers from those teams. The Vikings, Dolphins, and Raiders all have six players each from that era. Dallas, which had equal or more success than those teams at that time, has only four.

3. Howley is arguably the most deserving Cowboy who is not in Canton yet.

When there is a shortage of Cowboys, a shortage of OLB's, and the most deserving Cowboy is an OLB, it has to look good.

 

[Tra_Col99]

Dont they always put at least one senior member in a year? Odds are in our favor to get one of them in this year.

 

[percyhoward]

Dont they always put at least one senior member in a year? Odds are in our favor to get one of them in this year.

You'd think so anyway. For the last four years now, there have been two senior inductees.

 

[Hostile]

Dont they always put at least one senior member in a year? Odds are in our favor to get one of them in this year.

You mean like a couple of years ago when Rayfield Wright and Cliff Harris were the two Seniors finalists and the only two of the final six candidates who were NOT voted in?

 

[big dog cowboy]

You mean like a couple of years ago when Rayfield Wright and Cliff Harris were the two Seniors finalists and the only two of the final six candidates who were NOT voted in?

:bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

What makes me even madder, my wife is from Ohio and wants to visit the HOF and can't understand why I don't.

 

[adbutcher]

Which Super Bowl game are you referring to, his first one, in which he made 2 picks, recovered a fumble, and was named MVP? Or his second one, in which he made another pick and recovered another fumble?

But you're right, other than just those two Super Bowls (which make him the career takeaway leader in Super Bowls, btw) all he did was go to 6 Pro Bowls (5 as a starter) and make 5 consecutive All-NFL teams from 1966-70.

If you had a penny for every retired player who made at least 6 Pro Bowls, was a SBMVP, and was NOT in the Hall of Fame, you'd have exactly 2 cents. And as soon as Jerry Rice went in on the first ballot in a few years, you'd be down to your last penny.