Bob McGinn NFL scouts comments on Guyton

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Dude played TE/RB until they switched him to tackle in 2022 where he was behind two first rounders and still found playing time. He started RT last year.

Somehow his technique issues are being transformed into laziness despite him improving constantly.

Frankly I am not sure how a cottage industry type can spend enough time around a prospect to evaluate work ethic. it is hard evaluation to see in just a couple of days.

 

[AbeBeta]

TYLER GUYTON, Oklahoma (6-7 ½, 330, 5.21, 1-2): Fourth-year junior. “If you watch the Florida State game he actually dominated (Jared) Verse,” one scout said. “He kicked his ***. Absolutely dominated him. But he only steps up for big games. He went down to the Senior Bowl and stepped up. Thing is, once he gets comfortable, once he gets complacent, he’s gonna shut it down a little bit it looks like. In the National Football League you have to step up to the challenge every week. He may be the biggest bust. He’s an athletic freak but he’s just a mental midget.” After two backup seasons at TCU, he made 14 of his 15 starts for the Sooners at RT. “Thing that pisses you off about him is he’s so dang inconsistent with his hand placement,” a second scout said. “He gets beat by guys he has no business losing to. In the run game, his temperament and finish are very inconsistent. He can do it. He just has to set his mind to it. But when he does he can get push and movement off the line of scrimmage. He can pull and get to the second level. It’s just a matter of (improving) character-wise to reach the next level.” Arms were 34 1/8, hands were 10 ¼. His vertical jump of 34 ½ inches led the top 20 tackles. “He’s talented but there’s some unknowns based on what you see on film,” a third scout said. “His technique just isn’t very good. Definitely a finesse style, but he can be a starting left tackle. Not a bad kid. You could really hit on him if you’re comfortable with the makeup.” From Manor, Texas.

"Mental midget" -- nice to see scouts love to adhere to old, worn out, tropes.

 

[Hennessy_King]

This team doesn't do many things right, but the one area where they've earned the benefit of the doubt is 1st rd lineman. Seems like a Tyler Smith clone from a report standpoint.

Tyler smith clone is not accurate because tyler smith was projected moving inside which can hide his terrible hand placement and benefit his strength. This kid is not strong, terrible hand placement but great feet.

 

[The Quest for Six]

I liked the trade back to get Detroits early third round pick but I really don't see this kid as a first round talent, he's raw and needs a lot of work, he may not even start the season for this team...

 

[exciter]

Dallas definitely has a type of player they covet; they seem to get enamored with players who possess physical talent, but lack the intangibles to be great players.

In Dallas, you can underperform and still get paid.

Lol,
Right, because you’re normally going to be able to find players who don’t need any refinement and development at the 24th pick!!!

 

[Whyjerry]

A lunger? Does he have TB?

I would say definitely not but given events in the El Paso area it’s possible.

 

[TwentyOne]

This team clearly has a type….

Fits our FO too.

 

[Chasing6]

This team clearly has a type….

Kid is 21. He will be fine.

 

[Kwyn]

“Well, that’s just like, his opinion man”

Went and found a couple of McGinn’s draft guides from 2017. Highly entertaining and goes to show that even the “experts” get it wrong as often as not.

Trubisky vs Mahomes - lol

The Taco and TJ comparison is soooo entertaining considering how Zoners feel about those players.

PATRICK MAHOMES*, QB, Texas Tech: 6-2, 225. Started for 2½ seasons. “You (remember) how John Elway could scramble around and at the last second just square up and throw the ball the length of the field?” said one veteran scout. “This guy can do the same thing. He didn’t play in a bowl game this year but, remember, John Elway never played in a bowl game. (Texas Tech) had the worst defense in the nation. He had no backs and receivers this year. Excellent athlete and arm strength. He’s got a gunslinger mentality.” Played in a simplistic spread offense with limited reads. “He plays in that junk offense and has a lot to learn,” another scout said. “A lot. He’s got quick feet and a (big arm). 4.0 student. Good kid.” Arm strength might give him the edge over recent Texas Tech passers. “He could (develop) but I don’t see it,” a third scout said. “He has no vision, no mechanics. He’s erratic as hell. Makes a lot of mistakes.” Ran 4.80.

MITCHELL TRUBISKY*, QB, North Carolina: 6-2, 222. One-year starter. “You’ve got to try with him,” said one scout. “He’s the best of the bunch. You just wish he played more. He started one year, and the guy he played behind last year was terrible (Marquise Williams, who was in Green Bay’s camp). It’s kind of a concern. As far as the physical gifts, he’s got everything you look for. And he’s got the poise. He works hard.” Asked reporters to be known as “Mitchell” in the NFL. “Five-time Punt, Pass and Kick champion,” said a second scout. “Mr. Ohio in football out of high school. Has athletic feet and good feel for the game. As the season progressed he got better. Strong enough arm.” Hailed by a third scout as a “Marcus Mariota-type athlete.” He added: “He had his worst game against Stanford when he locked on twice and the safety picked off two passes. I wanted to compare him to (Brett) Favre but he’s a much better athlete than Favre and he’s faster than Favre. The amazing thing is he can run so well. Excellent competitor. He’s probably my best player (in the draft).” Clocked 4.67 in the 40

TACO CHARLTON, DE, Michigan: 6-6, 277.Blossomed as a senior starter after being a rotational player for three years. “Loved by his teammates and loves the game of football,” one scout said. “Things come easy to him. You could almost compare him to Chandler Jones.” Arms were 34. “He won’t be dominant but he’ll be a good, solid player,” one scout said. “Not dynamic or anything. He’ll start as a rookie and be good.”

T.J. WATT*, OLB, Wisconsin: 6-4, 252.Overcame string of injuries to forge 13-sack season in 2016, his first as a starter, and then declared a year early. “This guy just plays his tail off,” said one scout. “Boy, does he have technique. He’s Clay Matthews. Probably more explosive. Uses his hands well. He finishes things better than his brother (J.J.) did. I think he’s special.” Weighed in at 252, nine pounds more than his program weight, and had 33 1/8 arms and 11-inch hands, which might be the longest at the combine. “I don’t see him in the first round,” another scout said. “He’s a solid backup-rotational type player. I don’t think he’s a definite starter on any team. He may eventually because of the intangibles, effort, the way he plays the game. But not just on pure talent.”

 

[Verdict]

“Well, that’s just like, his opinion man”

Went and found a couple of McGinn’s draft guides from 2017. Highly entertaining and goes to show that even the “experts” get it wrong as often as not.

The Taco and TJ comparison is soooo entertaining considering how Zoners feel about those players.

Stop trying to make a legitimate argument. If you plan on actually being right you need to give some sort of “notice” that you plan to make an intelligent argument around here. It’s very unfair to use facts. Just stop it.

 

[Canadian BoyzFan]

Any scout calling kids “mental midgets” should not be scouting.

Share observations based on facts and behaviors seen. Not give editorials.

Just my opinion.

 

[Zekeats]

This team clearly has a type….

Don't forget finesse. We love those guys. Never heard of the 9ers or Ravens drafting "finesse"

 

[Kwyn]

Don't forget finesse. We love those guys. Never heard of the 9ers or Ravens drafting "finesse"

Every talking head ever talks about offensive linemen being “nasty”, lol.

It’s just gibberish for the most part.