Bob McGinn - Scout's Comments on Byron Jones

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5. BYRON JONES, Connecticut (6-0 ½, 199. 4.42, 1-2): Started at FS in 2011-'12 before moving to CB in 2013-'14. "Blew up the combine," one scout said. "You see those things on the field. Really good movement skills. He played better in press." Finished with 223 tackles (3 ½ for loss), eight picks and 18 PBUs. His broad jump of 12-3 probably was longer than any player's in NFL annals. Also posted a vertical jump of 44½ and had 33 on the Wonderlic. "Doesn't play as well as he works out," said a second scout. "Doesn't have great instincts. Little stiff at the top. But all those big long guys are in vogue now because all the receivers are 6-8." Underwent shoulder surgery (labrum) near midseason. "No, he can't cover," a third scout said. "I don't think he's got the feel." From New Britain, Conn.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/pack...ts-defensive-backs-b99487251z1-301633761.html
 
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These guys all make me laugh. Read the scouting report on this multi time pro bowler as he was coming out of school:

Good intangibles that will help him mold into a contributing backup corner for a press-heavy team. However, he does not possess the natural coverage instincts, fluidity or burst to be considered a future starter. Is comfortable and capable in press man, using his size to disrupt receivers' releases off the line, but doesn't show enough make up speed to consistently recover when beaten. Awareness in zone and off-man are only adequate. Has average ball skills but some upside as a playmaker.

PS. The above report is on no other then Richard Sherman. Who turned out pretty good last time I checked.
 
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vaturkey said:
These guys all make me laugh. Read the scouting report on this multi time pro bowler as he was coming out of school:

Good intangibles that will help him mold into a contributing backup corner for a press-heavy team. However, he does not possess the natural coverage instincts, fluidity or burst to be considered a future starter. Is comfortable and capable in press man, using his size to disrupt receivers' releases off the line, but doesn't show enough make up speed to consistently recover when beaten. Awareness in zone and off-man are only adequate. Has average ball skills but some upside as a playmaker.

PS. The above report is on no other then Richard Sherman. Who turned out pretty good last time I checked.
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Looking at McGinn's collection of scout's comments it just looks like the typical mixed bag of positives and negatives you'd expect for any guy drafted at the tail end of the 1st round. He looks like an incredible athlete who's athleticism still doesn't translate 100% on the field. I don't see that has a bad thing.

In terms of scouting reports, who knows. You provided the Richard Sherman example which is a great example of scouts being wrong. Here is another example of that from Bob McGinn's 2012 draft report:

Third-year junior. "Pure cover corner with great ball skills," Philadelphia GM Howie Roseman said. "They're so hard to find." Went to LSU as a WR but moved to CB in 2009, serving as a deep reserve, before teaming with Patrick Peterson in 2010 and then Tyrann Mathieu in '11. "The only thing that would stop him from being great is that he doesn't have a special catch-up gear," one scout said. "In terms of smoothness, athleticism, ball skills, hands, anticipation - he's really good." Started 26 of 33 games, finishing with 11 interceptions and 12 PBUs (passes broken up). Scored just four on the 12-minute, 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test but scouts say he has a reading disability and learns well in other settings. "He can pick it up," another scout said. "Great kid. Can't read very well. He doesn't take timed tests." Peterson, who had a superb rookie season for Arizona, scored nine the year before. Hails from Shreveport, La. "When I think of guys like Deion Sanders and Charles Woodson and Chris McAlister and Champ Bailey, those guys were a league above this guy," a third scout said. "He's not Patrick Peterson, either. He ends up on the ground some, and I've always been afraid of corners that fell out in space for no reason. But he's a solid cornerback in the NFL.​

That's Morris Claiborne.
 

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perrykemp said:
Looking at McGinn's collection of scout's comments it just looks like the typical mixed bag of positives and negatives you'd expect for any guy drafted at the tail end of the 1st round. He looks like an incredible athlete who's athleticism still doesn't translate 100% on the field. I don't see that has a bad thing.

In terms of scouting reports, who knows. You provided the Richard Sherman example which is a great example of scouts being wrong. Here is another example of that from Bob McGinn's 2012 draft report:

Third-year junior. "Pure cover corner with great ball skills," Philadelphia GM Howie Roseman said. "They're so hard to find." Went to LSU as a WR but moved to CB in 2009, serving as a deep reserve, before teaming with Patrick Peterson in 2010 and then Tyrann Mathieu in '11. "The only thing that would stop him from being great is that he doesn't have a special catch-up gear," one scout said. "In terms of smoothness, athleticism, ball skills, hands, anticipation - he's really good." Started 26 of 33 games, finishing with 11 interceptions and 12 PBUs (passes broken up). Scored just four on the 12-minute, 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test but scouts say he has a reading disability and learns well in other settings. "He can pick it up," another scout said. "Great kid. Can't read very well. He doesn't take timed tests." Peterson, who had a superb rookie season for Arizona, scored nine the year before. Hails from Shreveport, La. "When I think of guys like Deion Sanders and Charles Woodson and Chris McAlister and Champ Bailey, those guys were a league above this guy," a third scout said. "He's not Patrick Peterson, either. He ends up on the ground some, and I've always been afraid of corners that fell out in space for no reason. But he's a solid cornerback in the NFL.​

That's Morris Claiborne.
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Claiborne would be a fine corner if he weren't such a tool. This kid is far more athletic and you. Will never hear anyone call him dumb.
 
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we drafted meh. now does that mean we cant make it work, Surely not. But he is what he is. We can paint it a pretty color, but its still meh. We will work around it. The piece will be solid and at worse contribute. Is he ever going to scare defenses? clearly not. is he going to be better than some pieces we have, yes. Here we have a solid safe pick. Now Rod goes to work and makes it better. Is it the sexy pick everyone wanted? agan no, but so far thats been working for Dallas. So lets see how it turns out. I just wont be disappointed if we need to be disappointed.
 
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vaturkey said:
These guys all make me laugh. Read the scouting report on this multi time pro bowler as he was coming out of school:

Good intangibles that will help him mold into a contributing backup corner for a press-heavy team. However, he does not possess the natural coverage instincts, fluidity or burst to be considered a future starter. Is comfortable and capable in press man, using his size to disrupt receivers' releases off the line, but doesn't show enough make up speed to consistently recover when beaten. Awareness in zone and off-man are only adequate. Has average ball skills but some upside as a playmaker.

PS. The above report is on no other then Richard Sherman. Who turned out pretty good last time I checked.
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Also clearly remember Mel Kiper dissing the pick of Darren Woodson -
 
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Jones is smart and a good leader. Marinelli will be able to coach him up into a solid player-- whether he's a CB or used at single high safety- or if he's deployed all over the place.

I am fine with taking a guy like this at #27. Especially with the question marks around Claiborne and Carr...
 
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My biggest concern with drafting CB's is I think Jerome Henderson is an awful coach.
 
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I would've taken Malcolm Brown but I have no problem with the pick.
 

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vaturkey said:
These guys all make me laugh. Read the scouting report on this multi time pro bowler as he was coming out of school:

Good intangibles that will help him mold into a contributing backup corner for a press-heavy team. However, he does not possess the natural coverage instincts, fluidity or burst to be considered a future starter. Is comfortable and capable in press man, using his size to disrupt receivers' releases off the line, but doesn't show enough make up speed to consistently recover when beaten. Awareness in zone and off-man are only adequate. Has average ball skills but some upside as a playmaker.

PS. The above report is on no other then Richard Sherman. Who turned out pretty good last time I checked.
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It's like evaluators forget that coaches, coaching, schemes, etc. play a role in a player's evaluation. Some coaches swear by their schemes and try to fit players into their schemes even if the scheme doesn't fit the strength of the player. And not all college coaches and assistant coaches are great coaches. You add to that the fact that in college, even though it's better than high school, you're not as dedicated to your craft than you would be in the pros.

It's a growth process. And good scouts can see beyond what a kid did in college or evaluate what a kid did in college and see if it will translate into the NFL.

I mean, who did Jones have to play with on the UConn? It wasn't like he was surrounded by talent. So many he "altered" his game to compensate for his teammates, or maybe the coaches had him play a specific way.

You put him with guys who are as good as he is, and he may be dynamite.

Besides, I remember reading what "evaluators" said about Tony Romo. I think even one of the Commanders scout said he'll never amount to anything. :laugh:
 
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Oh_Canada said:
Claiborne would be a fine corner if he weren't such a tool. This kid is far more athletic and you. Will never hear anyone call him dumb.
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And if he wasn't made of glass and could actually cover.
 
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