Bobby Carpenter: Is it just me?

[Sarge]

Forced a fumble that should have been recovered last night. Tackled very solidly and bull rushed the QB once. Flushed out of the pocket several times. He is playing behind a pair of 100+ tackle guys in the middle and 2 pro bowlers on the outside. What the heck is he supposed to do?

He's suppose to have 13 sacks and 6 interceptions by now. Don't you know anything?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He's suppose to have 13 sacks and 6 interceptions by now. Don't you know anything?

Ahh its you. Too bad I dont work the GY **** now that im back in school. I miss you and Winky at 5am.

That is not what im saying. You should know that yet for some reason you just never can quite get it.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I guess the main thing that bothers me about Bobby is that back when we were comparing him to Lawson, he was supposed to be the one that was NFL ready, whereas Lawson was the one that needed to develop. Well, now it seems we have forgotten that, and saying he needs "time".

Now I am cheering for him, as our draft is looking pretty good at this point overall (thank goodness for PWat). But I can't help but be disappointed with Bobby, I wouldn't have wanted to draft a ILB in his spot.

Guess he can be a solid backup, and maybe the Cowboys will cut someone to get him a starting spot. But I would hate for the Cowboys to cut someone to save money, instead of Carp actually earning the job.

Could Carp start at OLB?? Who knows, but at this point, Ellis is obviously better, so cutting Ellis would be our only choice to start Carp out there, but I would rather just keep Ellis. On the inside, I also like our starters. Will we cut one of them in a cost saving move to start Carp?? Don't know, but I expected more from him than this.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

I guess the main thing that bothers me about Bobby is that back when we were comparing him to Lawson, he was supposed to be the one that was NFL ready,

I missed that debate - more "NFL ready" by virtue of where he played, level of competition, facing more 'pro-style offenses'?

I think the lb packages in a pro 3-4 base d where you also have to learn some 4-3 assignments is probably tough for any rookie.

What is more important than being NFL ready is smart..hard to define either in specific enough terms to make them meaningful, but young lb after lb is prone to run around like a chicken with his head cut off. That is not the case with Carpenter.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Forced a fumble that should have been recovered last night. Tackled very solidly and bull rushed the QB once. Flushed out of the pocket several times. He is playing behind a pair of 100+ tackle guys in the middle and 2 pro bowlers on the outside. What the heck is he supposed to do?

Your right, he has no room to start on this team right now. Hindsight is 20/20, but it looks to me as though we would have been better off to try another route, like OL. Sorry, Bobby hasn't impressed me at all, and really doesn't deserve to start right now.

 

[tomson75]

You want to get nasty we can get nasty. Im trying to keep this civil and your diatribe is not helping. I looked at it twice cause I know what youre talking about. The sideline angle it looks like a tip but when they show behind the QB angle its clear it wasnt.

Tahts why the announcers didnt say anytthing. Because it didnt happen. Furthermore, your some average joe looking at this. Do you have any at all coaching experience that should make me really care what your 'opinion is?'

i think not. enjoy your dvr.

look fuzzy, i'm not trying to be nasty here, but you're wrong. the ball IS tipped by Carpenter. Its as clear as night and day. go out and buy a dvr, watch the play, and you'll see it too.

I s it so hard to believe the announcers didnt say anything about it becasue they didn't see it? wait, hold on, two SF based announcers in the middle of an interview with Haley missed the call on the play? get out. they even thought it went of off the receivers elbow when it bounce back towards the LOS. it didn't, it went off of Reeve's knee. then, they didn't show an angle behind the QB, at least not on the coverage that NFL network used. the SF commentators had no clue what was going on. admittedly, i didn't either, until i watched it in slow motion. Did they give Carpenter any credit for the forced fumble? Nope. they were clueless.

I have a sneaking suspicion that if there was better coverage of this game, these threads wouldn't be here. if Carp had been given credit for the FF and the deflection, we'd be on here singing his praises rather than questioning his ability. Alas, the commentators were too busy blowing smoke up Haley's arse.

Again, this is not a personal attack towards you. i realize that you're not attacking Carpenter, and that you just stated you haven't seen him make any plays. While my dvr and i are trying to provide the proof of those plays to those whom request it. I'm simply trying to provide facts where they were ignored by others.

And you're right, i am an average joe, and you don't need to care about my opinion. but if you care to know the truth, and most retional people do, then you would pay attention to the FACTS that i have provided. Now, if you still want to be nasty, then bring it. i can argue my facts against anyones assumptions all day.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I missed that debate - more "NFL ready" by virtue of where he played, level of competition, facing more 'pro-style offenses'? .

Yes. Manny was seen as a DE coverting to OLB, which would take time to develop. Whereas, Bobby was seen as a ready made OLB right out the box. Now all this talk of Bobby "developing" bothers me a bit, it is obivous that alot of the guys that are successful at the OLB spot in the 3-4 are converted smallish DEs with great pass rushing skills.

I was sold on Bobby being ready, if he is not, I would have rather had someone with more upside develop. But come to think of it, Bobby is probably ready to play on most teams in this league, he is just not ready to crack our lineup. Our LBs are that good, which brings to question the pick in general.

 

[tomson75]

Yes. Manny was seen as a DE coverting to OLB, which would take time to develop. Whereas, Bobby was seen as a ready made OLB right out the box. Now all this talk of Bobby "developing" bothers me a bit, it is obivous that alot of the guys that are successful at the OLB spot in the 3-4 are converted smallish DEs with great pass rushing skills.

I was sold on Bobby being ready, if he is not, I would have rather had someone with more upside develop. But come to think of it, Bobby is probably ready to play on most teams in this league, he is just not ready to crack our lineup. Our LBs are that good, which brings to question the pick in general.

you're right. Carp isn't ready to start yet. might have something to do with the move to the inside, and it has alot to do with the players ahead of him. our lb's are that good. i think the pick was justified at the time, given we had no idea what would come of the Ellis situation.

 

[Natedawg44]

I guess the main thing that bothers me about Bobby is that back when we were comparing him to Lawson, he was supposed to be the one that was NFL ready, whereas Lawson was the one that needed to develop. Well, now it seems we have forgotten that, and saying he needs "time".

Now I am cheering for him, as our draft is looking pretty good at this point overall (thank goodness for PWat). But I can't help but be disappointed with Bobby, I wouldn't have wanted to draft a ILB in his spot.

Guess he can be a solid backup, and maybe the Cowboys will cut someone to get him a starting spot. But I would hate for the Cowboys to cut someone to save money, instead of Carp actually earning the job.

Could Carp start at OLB?? Who knows, but at this point, Ellis is obviously better, so cutting Ellis would be our only choice to start Carp out there, but I would rather just keep Ellis. On the inside, I also like our starters. Will we cut one of them in a cost saving move to start Carp?? Don't know, but I expected more from him than this.

Long term it's going to be fine with Carpenter, but with all of this depth we now have at LB I wouldn't be shocked to see him not helping us a whole lot this year. In hindsight no one could have predicted the way Ellis has taken to OLB and the way Burnett has played in camp to give us great depth, but everyone did predict what is happening with "the player" right now. Who knows how the whole TO thing is going to shake out and how it will effect our offense.

 

[Natedawg44]

you're right. Carp isn't ready to start yet. might have something to do with the move to the inside, and it has alot to do with the players ahead of him. our lb's are that good. i think the pick was justified at the time, given we had no idea what would come of the Ellis situation.

beat me by seconds

 

[Deep_Freeze]

you're right. Carp isn't ready to start yet. might have something to do with the move to the inside, and it has alot to do with the players ahead of him. our lb's are that good. i think the pick was justified at the time, given we had no idea what would come of the Ellis situation.

I agree with you cause that is my point, I did like the pick at the time cause of our situation at that time we needed a guy that could step in and play at OLB. Ellis is the one that throw that plan off, and personally, I hope we don't get rid of Ellis at the end of the season for a cost-savings move and to start Bobby out there.

But right now, Bobby is inside, not outside as was first thought. If he were going to replace Ellis, he would at least have to be a backup on the outside. They are just putting him somewhere, cause they know they don't need him like they thought they would. Make no mistake, Bobby would start for alot of NFL teams, the Saints would have killed to have him instead of Shanle.

 

[Rack]

Excellent job, Tomson.

 

[tomson75]

I agree with you cause that is my point, I did like the pick at the time cause of our situation at that time we needed a guy that could step in and play at OLB. Ellis is the one that throw that plan off, and personally, I hope we don't get rid of Ellis at the end of the season for a cost-savings move and to start Bobby out there.

But right now, Bobby is inside, not outside as was first thought. If he were going to replace Ellis, he would at least have to be a backup on the outside. They are just putting him somewhere, cause they know they don't need him like they thought they would. Make no mistake, Bobby would start for alot of NFL teams, the Saints would have killed to have him instead of Shanle.

i agree 100%.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Long term it's going to be fine with Carpenter, but with all of this depth we now have at LB I wouldn't be shocked to see him not helping us a whole lot this year. In hindsight no one could have predicted the way Ellis has taken to OLB and the way Burnett has played in camp to give us great depth, but everyone did predict what is happening with "the player" right now. Who knows how the whole TO thing is going to shake out and how it will effect our offense.

TO will be fine, watch and see, he loves the attention, give it to him. He will be there with bells on for opening day to shut everyone up.

I don't really know what to make of Bobby at this point. I cheer for him to do well, but really he doesn't have anything we need right now, unless someone gets hurt or we cut someone next year.

It is just hard to see us draft a first round draft choice, and not even see a future hope of him starting. Alot of people will tell you that first rounders don't play early on really good teams, which is true, but at least you can project them to play somewhere cause of age in the position and such.

But with Bobby, all of our starting LBs are young (even Ellis), so my question is will he have a spot 2 years from now if the opening isn't caused by injury or salary problems. I just have a thought in my head that Bobby doesn't break into the lineup til an injury happens or we cut one of the starters to save money. I figure any first round pick is supposed to have an opportunity to start sometime, lol, but if we keep our current guys, Bobby will have real problems breaking into the lineup for years to come.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I agree with you cause that is my point, I did like the pick at the time cause of our situation at that time we needed a guy that could step in and play at OLB. Ellis is the one that throw that plan off, and personally, I hope we don't get rid of Ellis at the end of the season for a cost-savings move and to start Bobby out there.

But right now, Bobby is inside, not outside as was first thought. If he were going to replace Ellis, he would at least have to be a backup on the outside. They are just putting him somewhere, cause they know they don't need him like they thought they would. Make no mistake, Bobby would start for alot of NFL teams, the Saints would have killed to have him instead of Shanle.

My gosh that's a good post.

 

[Sarge]

Ahh its you. Too bad I dont work the GY **** now that im back in school. I miss you and Winky at 5am.

That is not what im saying. You should know that yet for some reason you just never can quite get it.

Well, frankly, I'd like to see the guy play in something other than a few scrimmage games and a few pre-season games before I soil my britches over it.

Same ol' Fuzzy............

Thanks for the chuckle though.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

great points all around Deep Freeze, esp. the point about rookies not normally starting on good teams, which kind of makes some question the reason for drafting Carp, but in the end, noone knew how the Ellis expirament would work out, had we not drafted Carp, and the ELlis expirament bombed, we'd really have something to cry about

 

[Deep_Freeze]

My gosh that's a good post.

Thanks, I have a friend that got drafted by a team that was already loaded at his position. It was a difficult situation for him, and eventually got cut. Now I'm not suggesting that will happen to Bobby of course, but the pressure to perform if you are thrown into the starting lineup early and fail is the same as if you ride the bench for years as a high draft pick. In either case, people will doubt your ability like some are doing in this trend on Bobby.

Only thing we have to remember is this situation isn't of Bobby's control or blame, just a bad situation for him. Don't fault him, things happen, and Ellis came out of nowhere, noone could have predicted that. Unfortunately, Bobby is in the position that some people might call him a bust, without looking at the situation that he is in as far as position.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

look fuzzy, i'm not trying to be nasty here, but you're wrong. the ball IS tipped by Carpenter. Its as clear as night and day. go out and buy a dvr, watch the play, and you'll see it too.

I s it so hard to believe the announcers didnt say anything about it becasue they didn't see it? wait, hold on, two SF based announcers in the middle of an interview with Haley missed the call on the play? get out. they even thought it went of off the receivers elbow when it bounce back towards the LOS. it didn't, it went off of Reeve's knee. then, they didn't show an angle behind the QB, at least not on the coverage that NFL network used. the SF commentators had no clue what was going on. admittedly, i didn't either, until i watched it in slow motion. Did they give Carpenter any credit for the forced fumble? Nope. they were clueless.

I have a sneaking suspicion that if there was better coverage of this game, these threads wouldn't be here. if Carp had been given credit for the FF and the deflection, we'd be on here singing his praises rather than questioning his ability. Alas, the commentators were too busy blowing smoke up Haley's arse.

Again, this is not a personal attack towards you. i realize that you're not attacking Carpenter, and that you just stated you haven't seen him make any plays. While my dvr and i are trying to provide the proof of those plays to those whom request it. I'm simply trying to provide facts where they were ignored by others.

And you're right, i am an average joe, and you don't need to care about my opinion. but if you care to know the truth, and most retional people do, then you would pay attention to the FACTS that i have provided. Now, if you still want to be nasty, then bring it. i can argue my facts against anyones assumptions all day.

It is not a fact. You obviously saw the NFL feed from the Niners angle and the only replay that was shown was from the sideline. And yes from that vantage pointI can see why you say what you say. However I watched the game on Fox and the replay shown there was from behind and to the left of Romo. This replay clearly shows the trajectory of the ball to be several yards to the right of Carp.

Sorry but you didnt have the best info. Given that angle there is no question that it was not tipped and really what can you expect considering your shot was in the bottom right of the screen for about 1 second.

Sorry but I am very much so not spouting off and you are very clearly wrong.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well, frankly, I'd like to see the guy play in something other than a few scrimmage games and a few pre-season games before I soil my britches over it.

Same ol' Fuzzy............

Thanks for the chuckle though.

Again I am not freaking outin any way shape or form.

All I am saying is to not have seen much form our first rounder in 3 games against inferior competition.