Bobby Carpenter over Antonio Cromartie

[FuzzyLumpkins]

My goodness.

What color is the sky in your world?

Alright then what other games did he play poorly in? I have been asking this question for quite some time and have gotten nothing.

And he made the most plays on defense in that Seattle game. You could also make the case for Julius; he did have a heck of a game that day.

And Wade Phillips himself said he didnt get a fair shot. So really how am I deluded? Because I don't go along with the so called conventional wisdom around here these days?

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Alright then what other games did he play poorly in? I have been asking this question for quite some time and have gotten nothing.

And he made the most plays on defense in that Seattle game. You could also make the case for Julius; he did have a heck of a game that day.

And Wade Phillips himself said he didnt get a fair shot. So really how am I deluded? Because I don't go along with the so called conventional wisdom around here these days?

He hasn't played porly in any games, because he doesn't play........he has apparently done nothing to earn playing time. He couldn't play the OLB and now after another position change, is running 3rd string behind Thomas and Burnett. You have to earn your keep in the NFL. You have to show what you have, and not wait for a fair shake.

Wade did say that Carp didn't get a fair chance, but what did you expect him to say? That Carp wasn't very good?

Frenchy the long snapper hasn't played poorly at DE in any games either. Of course he hasn't played DE in any games.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He hasn't played porly in any games, because he doesn't play........he has apparently done nothing to earn playing time. He couldn't play the OLB and now after another position change, is running 3rd string behind Thomas and Burnett. You have to earn your keep in the NFL. You have to show what you have, and not wait for a fair shake.

Wade did say that Carp didn't get a fair chance, but what did you expect him to say? That Carp wasn't very good?

Frenchy the long snapper hasn't played poorly at DE in any games either. Of course he hasn't played DE in any games.

Sorry but he beat out Singleton his rookie year and tied down the SOLB spot. He showed he could hold the point of attack on the strong side and although being limited to a swim move on the pass rush, showed great coverage skills.

Everyone seems to just forget this.

According to Wade Phillips, Carpenter got his audition in the Minnesota preseason game and was evaluated on that performance. He didn't perform well and that was that as far as the coaching staff was concerned. He was playing on a torn quad.

Phillips could have simply said nothing like he typically does when he doesn't want to say anything negative. But this is my favorite line from the Carp bashers. Phillips was lying when he went into that explanation despite it making complete sense.

But really it comes down to whether Carp is the player we saw play well in 2006 or is he the guy that lacked quickness and explosion in the 2007 preseason?

I personally go with the former because i just don't believe he suddenly lost the ability that he showed in 2006.

 

[Sarge]

My goodness.

What color is the sky in your world?

 

[Alexander]

Alright then what other games did he play poorly in? I have been asking this question for quite some time and have gotten nothing.

What other games did he play like a first round pick in?

It is hard to defend someone who is basically third string right now.

Wait until he does something other than show he's a mediocre special teams player.

And he made the most plays on defense in that Seattle game. You could also make the case for Julius; he did have a heck of a game that day.

And he's not here either.

Pete Hunter played a hell of a game that day also. Where is he right now? It was one game. It means nothing.

This league is about consistency. Thus far, he hasn't been consistent in games (alright practices since he doesn't play much on defense in games) to be considered successful.

This is a first round choice we are discussing. A mid-round one at that. Were it another team, I strongly doubt you would be as selective and pick out the one time he played well to justify an opinion.

He's got the talent. We didn't "reach" for him as that was where he was supposed to be selected.

He's just not getting it done. That's the difference and what people fail to understand when evaluating "busts".

It is like someone in the real world hiring a candidate based off a glowing resume and a super interview and then getting a complete lump. The NFL isn't much different.

And Wade Phillips himself said he didnt get a fair shot. So really how am I deluded? Because I don't go along with the so called conventional wisdom around here these days?

So why wouldn't he have got a fair shot? Players get injured and fail every year. If he was truly special, I am sure he'd have overcome a single horrible preseason performance.

Personally, I don't see him wanting it bad enough. He should be insulted that he's an afterthought is basically every defensive plan we have. But I have yet to read anything that suggests he is.

 

[Alexander]

According to Wade Phillips, Carpenter got his audition in the Minnesota preseason game and was evaluated on that performance. He didn't perform well and that was that as far as the coaching staff was concerned. He was playing on a torn quad.

So Wade Phillips based his entire grade off one game and one in which he was injured?

That's a strange way to evaluate.

So what did Bobby do the rest of the year?

Try to work off the "F" he got in Minnesota game?

To me, that was his "last chance" and he failed. We had to move on with the rest of our season plan.

Phillips could have simply said nothing like he typically does when he doesn't want to say anything negative.

You are talking about a person who spins a first round playoff loss into a positive. He's prone to sugarcoating and rarely is negative.

His comments about Carpenter are a by-product of his nature. I would expect him to be over the top with praise if what you believe is true.

 

[theogt]

You are talking about a person who spins a first round playoff loss into a positive.

No, he spins a #1 seed and a 1st round bye into a positive.

Wait, that actually is a positive.

Oops. What were we talking about? Oh, yeah CAePEnTER SuXXorz!!1111

 

[Q_the_man]

I on record wanted cromartie but 70% of the board here never heard of him (how I dont know) and was clowned because he was 'unproven'.

My arguement was that you cant teach talent and sure enough talent prevailed..

did u have another name because u signed on this site in nov of 06 and the draft was april of 06.....

I wanted Lawson, I liked Cromartie, but was not sold on him, didn't want Carp, I always thought he was a product of AJ Hawk.....I also liked Jimmy Williams in the first if we did not grab Lawson..............

 

[bayarealightning]

Jammer had been average and Florence was right there on the average scale as well. There was major concenr in SD about him not being able to beat then out. You can use revisionist history if you want to about how they knew all along but that was garbage. Their secondary was clearly the weakest unit of the team and he couldnt break into it.

As for Carp i will not simply forget 2006. After the 2006 season he was anything but a bust and was the best player on the field for us in the playoff game. he was playing OLB against a guy that likes to run in Holmgren and they couldnt break 2.9 YPC. he certainly was holding the point in a more physically demanding position that day.

The talk of him being a bust all boils down to a single game last August. That is it and he was hurt. You cant point to games before that because he ended the previous year strong playing on the line at SOLB. You cannot point to the year after because in the linited chances he had he performed well. He didn't dog it like a lot of players would have.

you can put me down as not thinking Carp forgot how to play football but instead never got a shot. Now that hes healthy we will see more of 2006 and not August of 2007.

This is straight B.S. When you have a stacked team, just like the present Cowboys, you can draft a guy and bring him along slowly and let him learn. We didn't need Cro to start his rookie year. Jammer was solid and Florence is a decent DB (he has lapses of judgment). The team had a 14-2 season his rookie year so we were not desperate. We drafted Cro knowing that Florence had one more year on his contract. Cromartie had not played in a year and had not started a college game (coach's decision). He played the nickel CB as a rookie and started there last year until his play warranted him being on the field.

There will not be a lot of rookies, if any, who are going to start for the Cowboys this year, so does that make them busts? The Cowboys are drafting for the future as they let the current talented team go for the Lombardi. I guess with this type of thinking, Spencer MUST be on his way to being a Bust! I don't think so. Just because you do not start as a rookie on a extremely talented team, it is not an indication of the players talent and the team's plans for the player. Just watch FS Eric Weddle for the Chargers this season. Like I will keep an eye out for Spencer for the 'Boys. They are far from being on their way to a bust!

 

[zrinkill]

did u have another name because u signed on this site in nov of 06 and the draft was april of 06....