Book it...Wade Phillips - "Head Coach 2010"*

Alexander

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wileedog;3184338 said:
Agree with all of this, and have pretty much resigned myself to another year of Wade.

Meh.
You have to look at it realistically. Who would he replace him with? Garrett? How is that progress? So you have to look at the cost analysis again.

Does he like Phillips? Absolutely. And if he shows progress, and whether you or I feel otherwise, a playoff appearance and possible win is theoretically progress, he would be hard pressed to justify his release.

Right now, the scales have tipped and a lot of that has to do with the performance of the defense. That is one thing Phillips did that was very smart, he put his neck on the line and he has delivered that end of the bargain.
 

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Alexander;3184353 said:
Right now, the scales have tipped and a lot of that has to do with the performance of the defense. That is one thing Phillips did that was very smart, he put his neck on the line and he has delivered that end of the bargain.

I believe wholeheartedly that Wade was not given a choice whether to take over the defense, just like it wasn't his decision to take over for Stewart mid season last year.

That was a Jerry put up or shut up condition to stay IMO. For the most part he has, but this defense can still crumble at the wrong time with the best of them and still lacks discipline and takeaways.

Like I said, I agree with your reasoning and every comment out of Jerry's mouth the last week has been the start of the 'continuity' marketing pitch for the offseason.

I'd probably care less if there weren't a bevy of good HC options out there, certainly more than most offseasons. And yes, just promoting Garrett is making a change for the sake of making a change, not a proven upgrade.

None of which makes me any more of a fan of Wade the HC.
 

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Well, I for one would like to see a DC brought in. I know it is not in Wades best interest to bring a guy in but Jerry should tell him he needs to find someone to fill the position. I want somebody well respected who knows the 3-4 brought in because the way Jerry does things he will want to keep the 3-4 and it would be nice to have someone on staff who could keep it going down the road if Wade leaves and Garrett is the new coach.
 

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I think if the Cowboys win a playoff game, Wade will get another year with a two year option. And if Garrett gets another job somewhere else, i think Jones is finally ok with it. I still don’t think this final game will decide either way.
 

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Jerry has made mostly poor decisions since Jimmy and Big Bill left. Keeping Wade would be a continuation of his poor choices.
 

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Book this. We'll see where he stands after the playoffs. Lotta people jumping the gun again.
 

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Alexander;3184301 said:
What other changes?

Continuity should apply to everyone, not just the head coach. Unless the staff is raided or perhaps Garrett gets a head coaching offer elsewhere, if Phillips is retained, everyone else should be. They too were contributors to the team that's playing well and had another double digit win total.

Change doesn't mean firing. I believe that there are two head coaches on the field come gametime. And Jerry doesn't hold old red back on anything. If Garrett was stripped of the Asst. HC maybe. Do I want Garrett gone? Yep, I do. But, not right now. Can't mess with anything right now, or next season.

And if I am all wrong about it? Even better.
 

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aikemirv;3184406 said:
Well, I for one would like to see a DC brought in. I know it is not in Wades best interest to bring a guy in but Jerry should tell him he needs to find someone to fill the position. I want somebody well respected who knows the 3-4 brought in because the way Jerry does things he will want to keep the 3-4 and it would be nice to have someone on staff who could keep it going down the road if Wade leaves and Garrett is the new coach.
That goes without saying. If the intention is to keep the 3-4, then this is necessary. It looks like we added more of a commitment by taking the likes of Butler and Williams (plus the fact we did not add lineman). Unless of course, the idea is that Todd Grantham is that individual. If so, he needs more responsibility going forward.

Phillips delivered on his end of the bargain. But one way or the other, I do not see him being the head coach in a couple of years. There needs to be a contingency plan in place, especially if there are designs on Garrett.
 

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Alexander;3184822 said:
That goes without saying. If the intention is to keep the 3-4, then this is necessary. It looks like we added more of a commitment by taking the likes of Butler and Williams (plus the fact we did not add lineman). Unless of course, the idea is that Todd Grantham is that individual. If so, he needs more responsibility going forward.

Phillips delivered on his end of the bargain. But one way or the other, I do not see him being the head coach in a couple of years. There needs to be a contingency plan in place, especially if there are designs on Garrett.

Yep, and the way Jerry does things he might be inclined to keep the staff and hire a head coach who was willing or liked the staff in place, not saying that is the right approach but that is his way. He could pull that off with Garrett and maybe someone else (don't really know who but one name comes to mind)
 

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SC Cowboyfan;3184168 said:
I think Wade will seal his return with a Dallas win this Sunday against the eagles.
Jerry knows that keeping Wade one more year will give JG one more year to prepare for the HC position. It will also be the best shot Dallas has to make it to the superbowl at home with a few off-season acquisitions (ie offensive line,safety).

I would settle for one more year of Wade if we can get chucky in here.
 

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RS12;3184816 said:
Book this. We'll see where he stands after the playoffs. Lotta people jumping the gun again.

I agree. This team could get clobbered this Sunday and still win the SB, or they could beat Philthy Sunday and lay an egg in the Playoffs. Win or Lose this week, how the Cowboys perform in the playoffs will determine Wades' fate.

I do not want Wade back as HC, but will gladly accept his return if it meant the Cowboys went far in the Playoffs.
 

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well you are most likely right and for the reason of continuity for one more year to see what this team has.

I prefer keeping Wade one more year over promoting Jason Garrett right now because I feel Jason needs another year.

If this turns out to be a loss against the Eagles, and do not make it to atleast the division game in the playoffs, then I would prefer we get rid of old softy this year.

If Cowher wanted to coach for the Cowbots next year, that of course would change everything.
 

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I still think Wade needs some success in the playoffs, to be back next year.
 

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RW Hitman;3186484 said:
well you are most likely right and for the reason of continuity for one more year to see what this team has.

I prefer keeping Wade one more year over promoting Jason Garrett right now because I feel Jason needs another year.

If this turns out to be a loss against the Eagles, and do not make it to atleast the division game in the playoffs, then I would prefer we get rid of old softy this year.

If Cowher wanted to coach for the Cowbots next year, that of course would change everything.

I agree on Garrett, although I think he may be a better HC than he is an OC.

I think he needs another year just to become a very good OC. He seems to be getting a feel for playcalling just here in the last few weeks, so we will see.
 

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ninja;3184287 said:
I heard on another site there might not be a season in 2011 due to a lockout or something. Teams will prepare for that. Coaches get paid even if there is some sort of lockout. Therefore, Wade will be back next year. Jerry will exercise his option to pick up Wade for one more year, 2010.

If there is a lockout for 2011, Jerry won't have to pay a head coach and save himself some money.

Anyway, Wade earned it. He is a good coach. Drafts have been good. Players have been improving(Jenkins, Spencer, Bobby, DL, etc).

That is the core reason why Wade will be back. It will be a money move. It would not surprise me if Jerry re-works his contract and even sets up an opton for 2011. Not only does it keep continuity, but any other marquee coach will want more control over personnel and front office. Having Wade gives Jerry the control he craves.
 

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ETex;3184175 said:
I think he's back even with a loss. *as long as we're competitive*

Good God...now we've sunk to he'll be back as long as we're competitive?

Vomitis.
 

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Guys, there is one major problem with gettting rid of Wade......who runs the defense???

Wade is not a fool like alot of posters think, he really is a genius when you think about it, he took over total control of the defense and he has turned that unit into one of the best defenses in the NFL. We are currently 1st in the NFC on points allowed!!!

Jerry even called Wade the MVP of the defense!!!!!



The problem now guys is Wade has made himself too important to get rid off. Wade runs the "Phillups 34" which is vastly different from the type of 34 most teams play. Thus, there is virtually nobody to replace Wade with that would keep the same system. So, firing Wade means installing a new defensive scheme, but why would we want to do that when the current defense is allowing the fewest points in the conference???


Face it guys, Wade has just created job security by coaching the defense into one of the best in the league. We literally cannot afford to get rid of him now, that is why I said he was a genius when you think about it.
 

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Beast_from_East;3187439 said:
Guys, there is one major problem with gettting rid of Wade......who runs the defense???



Face it guys, Wade has just created job security by coaching the defense into one of the best in the league. We literally cannot afford to get rid of him now, that is why I said he was a genius when you think about it.

We bring back Mike Zimmer.:bow:
 

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ConcordCowboy;3186760 said:
Good God...now we've sunk to he'll be back as long as we're competitive?

Vomitis.

:bow: :bow:

Some people like mediocrity. I don't want him back unless we WIN the Superbowl.
 
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