Both Kowalski and Arkin looking good?

RoyTheHammer said:
Fair enough. We'll see how this year goes. According to you, Callahan has bottom of the barrel poop to work with right now, so it should be interesting to see how our line performs. ;)
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How did it perform last year? Where was the superior coaching? It got worse if anything.

I don't know what's so hard to believe that the reason 2 quality OL coaches can't field a decent OL has to do with the talent they have to work with.
 
Risen Star said:
How did it perform last year? Where was the superior coaching? It got worse if anything.

I don't know what's so hard to believe that the reason 2 quality OL coaches can't field a decent OL has to do with the talent they have to work with.
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It was his first year, and we had a bunch of injuries. Im not going to judge him on one year when Houck had 4 to show anything. Like i said, let's see how they perform this year.
 
Risen Star said:
How did it perform last year? Where was the superior coaching? It got worse if anything.

I don't know what's so hard to believe that the reason 2 quality OL coaches can't field a decent OL has to do with the talent they have to work with.
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Part of the problem last year (IMO) was because of the switch from Houck to Callahan. They had to learn what Callahan wanted from them and how to do the things he asked.

Continuity is big on the OL and even without the scheme change, there was precious little continuity because of all the injuries. It is no surprise the line struggled last season.

The team thought Nate Newton was a scrub until he got it all figured out and there was some continuity on the line. Tuinei was also a project who didn't play well until he figured it all out. Plenty of people were saying they sucked for their first couple of years with the team. They were both starters on a 1-15 team that was among the worst ever fielded. And the same line coach who coached them to that 1-15 season was also coaching them during their dominating 1992 super bowl performance.

Just because the line didn't perform well last year and finished up 8-8 doesn't mean that every player on that unit sucks any more than the 1-15 year meant that Newton and Tui sucked.
 
RoyTheHammer said:
It was his first year, and we had a bunch of injuries. Im not going to judge him on one year when Houck had 4 to show anything. Like i said, let's see how they perform this year.
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What does it matter if it's his first year? If you're a good coach replacing somebody over the hill the improvement should be immediate. But in actuality you can't point to one player along the OL who improved their play last year.

It is laughable to think Hudson Houck was holding back this OL.
 
AsthmaField said:
Part of the problem last year (IMO) was because of the switch from Houck to Callahan. They had to learn what Callahan wanted from them and how to do the things he asked..
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They learned Callahan wanted talent and then we ran out of answers.
 
Risen Star said:
They learned Callahan wanted talent and then we ran out of answers.
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We definitely needed a talent upgrade and still do. However, Arkin could very well end up being a good player is what I'm saying. Just because he struggled at first doesn't mean he can't get stronger, get the system down and become a productive starting guard. He has many of the other traits you want in a guard, and if he's corrected his issues with strength and experience, then he could be a good one.
 
5Stars said:
All rookies should know the NFL inside and out when they come to a team. You know better than that!
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Its like he just says anything sometimes when he is trying to make a point. What OL coach has ever been given only a year to come in and turn things around for a team?

It was his first year, they are changing schemes, he didn't (and probably still doesn't) have the personel he wants for the ZBS, and as Risen himself put it, he has "bottom of the barrel" poop to work with.. yet he's supposed to turn everything around in one season? lol

Like i said, let's see how he does this year.. im betting even with minimal talent, the line does alot better than in previous seasons.
 
RoyTheHammer said:
Its like he just says anything sometimes when he is trying to make a point. What OL coach has ever been given only a year to come in and turn things around for a team?

It was his first year, they are changing schemes, he didn't (and probably still doesn't) have the personel he wants for the ZBS, and as Risen himself put it, he has "bottom of the barrel" poop to work with.. yet he's supposed to turn everything around in one season? lol

Like i said, let's see how he does this year.. im betting even with minimal talent, the line does alot better than in previous seasons.
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The bolded part is what I am liking and I do like reading about how they are doing in competition. I think the Cowboys do have some young players and it is going to take time to evaluate them because what they do on the oline is going to prove itself during running and passing plays.

Why some look at last year and always think the same thing is going to happen this year is just...lazy!
 
AsthmaField said:
We definitely needed a talent upgrade and still do. However, Arkin could very well end up being a good player is what I'm saying. Just because he struggled at first doesn't mean he can't get stronger, get the system down and become a productive starting guard. He has many of the other traits you want in a guard, and if he's corrected his issues with strength and experience, then he could be a good one.
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None of that has anything to do with the coaching prior to Callahan arriving. Houck didn't fail because he was old. He failed because he didn't have the players. That's why you didn't see any improvement last year. It's not the coaching.
 
RoyTheHammer said:
Seriously? lol
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That's right. What does it matter if it was his first year coaching here? If he took over from a coach who was washed up and holding the unit back we should have seen some improvement last year. We didn't. The reason being you are wrong. Coaching had nothing to do with how bad our OL has been over recent years.
 
Risen Star said:
That's right. What does it matter if it was his first year coaching here? If he took over from a coach who was washed up and holding the unit back we should have seen some improvement last year. We didn't. The reason being you are wrong. Coaching had nothing to do with how bad our OL has been over recent years.
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the O Line Pollyanna's have a different excuse each year.
 
burmafrd said:
the O Line Pollyanna's have a different excuse each year.
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Not really...all of us know the oline is bad and has been bad for a few years, but that does not mean some fans can't see good things happening? Right?
 
Risen Star said:
That's right. What does it matter if it was his first year coaching here? If he took over from a coach who was washed up and holding the unit back we should have seen some improvement last year. We didn't. The reason being you are wrong. Coaching had nothing to do with how bad our OL has been over recent years.
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I already addressed how silly you're being in a different post, but we'll see how they do this year. Considering your statement that all he has to work with is garbage, that means any kind of improvement or development we see this year, and you'll be eating crow.

Sure can't wait to see what excuses you come up with when that happens.. :cool:
 
burmafrd said:
the O Line Pollyanna's have a different excuse each year.
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That's exactly what it is.

I laughed at those who welcomed Callahan here as the answer to all our OL woes. He had answers that Hudson Houck didn't. Then the season started and Bill Callahan was as irrelevant as Hudson Houck. You need players first. Talent. Then the quality of the coaching comes into play.
 
Risen Star said:
That's exactly what it is.

I laughed at those who welcomed Callahan here as the answer to all our OL woes. He had answers that Hudson Houck didn't. Then the season started and Bill Callahan was as irrelevant as Hudson Houck. You need players first. Talent. Then the quality of the coaching comes into play.
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That is non sense coaching does matter. Callahan is was not going to change the OL in 1 season but even at that they progressed as the season went on.
 
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