Both Kowalski and Arkin looking good?

[burmafrd]

Risen Star wants 12 linemen on the team on both defense and offense. The other players are irrelevant.

Could you imagine? An oline man at QB, one a running back, 5 on the oline, a couple receiving, etc. Same on defense, the d line, an dlineman playing the CB spots, one playing safety, one playing mlb, one playing...well you get the picture.

Essentially, Risen Star want a rugby team instead of a football team.

same tired response that means nothing. The polyannas on the O line have this idea that anyone that wants real improvement means they have to have 5 Pro Bowlers on the O line to be satisfied. Intellectual laziness.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I don't recall anybody saying that Arkin looked great last preseason. There was often talks about how poorly he had progressed and had their doubts of him making the team and what his future with the team was.

I think the issue we often see with O-Linemen is pretty common. Most coaches are solely focused on technique and sometimes when you have perfect technique you still get beat if the defender is bigger, stronger or faster. You hope that good technique will let your guy win more often than not. So all it means to me is that Arkin and Kowalski are doing what the coaches are asking for them. And that's it.




YR

 

[AsthmaField]

I don't recall anybody saying that Arkin looked great last preseason. There was often talks about how poorly he had progressed and had their doubts of him making the team and what his future with the team was.

I'm with you there. I can't remember it at all from last preseason. I just remember hearing over and over about him getting pushed back into the QB.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This is from Vela:

-- David Arkin: We're still waiting for Mackenzy Bernadeau to challenge him but at the moment Arkin is the starting right guard. Phil Costa is working at this position, but he's taking all his reps with the 2nd unit. Arkin has always been able to pull and the Cowboys are using his quicks to flip their run balance. In their glory days, they put Nate Newton, their best power puller, at left guard and ran power, their inside counter, to the right, behind RT Erik Williams, their best straight-line blocking tackle.

These days, that power OT is LT Tyron Smith. Dallas is now running power, for the first week anyway, primarily to the left, with Arkin pulling behind Smith.

Arkin needs more consistency hitting his targets on the move, but he looks much stronger in his lower half and is anchoring much better than he did last year, when he was walked back in the pocket by bull rushers.

I am sure that I saw others I am looking for them now. I esteem Vela but I may have mistaken someone else for Broaddus.

http://www.cowboyszone.com/

 

[Idgit]

That's interesting since only yesterday I read an unnamed someone's antagonistic post about a negative camp report.!.

Your probably referring to my reaction to Mac Engel's report. I didn't like that because it was stupid and lazy, not because it was negative. There are plenty of negative player reports, and I take most of them in stride this time of year because I expect them with the 90 man roster.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

well I have been a fan for about twice as long as you have and have seen it all. And frankly you sound like someone that when the facts do not add up the way you want them you ignore them.

Fact is that this team has been horrible at developing O linemen. Since the 90's frankly. But then again you seem to have trouble with reality.

It seems you have trouble with knowing that Houck isn't the OL coach anymore and now we have a proven guy that has developed OL in Callahan. So you have been a fan for 60 years? Thats funny didn't know Dallas was around 60 years ago but what do I know right, I guess I was mistaken that Dallas got the Cowboys about 53 years ago.

Dude do me a favor and not tell me what I fail to realize or what I know. I can see with my own two eyes and just because I talk about positive things you say that I want to ignore the facts because they don't add up. You make no sense what so ever and don't try to act like you know me pal because you don't. Thank you have a nice day

 

[JerryFan]

It seems you have trouble with knowing that Houck isn't the OL coach anymore and now we have a proven guy that has developed OL in Callahan. So you have been a fan for 60 years? Thats funny didn't know Dallas was around 60 years ago but what do I know right, I guess I was mistaken that Dallas got the Cowboys about 53 years ago.

Dude do me a favor and not tell me what I fail to realize or what I know. I can see with my own two eyes and just because I talk about positive things you say that I want to ignore the facts because they don't add up. You make no sense what so ever and don't try to act like you know me pal because you don't. Thank you have a nice day

Houck was a more then proven OL coach.

 

[burmafrd]

Houck was a more then proven OL coach.

I was being nice to the kid and did not mention Houck's resume

 

[Risen Star]

Houck was a more then proven OL coach.

Kind of kills your whole argument when you talk about Callahan replacing Houck and how that's an upgrade. Shows a glaring lack of knowledge of the history of the league.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Kind of kills your whole argument when you talk about Callahan replacing Houck and how that's an upgrade. Shows a glaring lack of knowledge of the history of the league.

How good of a job was Houck doing his last couple years here? John Madden was a great football mind at one point.. how were his last few years of broadcasting?

Age catches up with you.. let's not pretend that just because someone has been great at something, that they always will be.

 

[Risen Star]

How good of a job was Houck doing his last couple years here? John Madden was a great football mind at one point.. how were his last few years of broadcasting?

Age catches up with you.. let's not pretend that just because someone has been great at something, that they always will be.

He was doing as good of a job as he could. You can't make stiffs good players.

I wondered if age caught up to Houck. Then I saw Tyron Smith flourish as a rookie under Houck his last year. That told me it was just talent. Callahan came in last year. He did no better. They need players. Bill Callahan is not, in any way, a better OL coach than Hudson Houck. He's merely the guy we have now. So the agenda is to make it appear that way.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I was being nice to the kid and did not mention Houck's resume

lol burm..

You just stated earlier in the thread that we have been horrible at developing lineman since the 90's.

Well, Houck was back here for 4 years from 2008-2011 seasons, so what does that say about the job he did recently, huh "kid"?

 

[RoyTheHammer]

He was doing as good of a job as he could. You can't make stiffs good players.

I wondered if age caught up to Houck. Then I saw Tyron Smith flourish as a rookie under Houck his last year. That told me it was just talent. Callahan came in last year. He did no better. They need players. Bill Callahan is not, in any way, a better OL coach than Hudson Houck. He's merely the guy we have now. So the agenda is to make it appear that way.

Tyron Smith was a top 10 pick and a freak talent. Is it really saying much that he played well at the RT position his rookie year? I'd be more impressed if Houck had been able to develop some of the non-sure thing picks we drafted over his last years here. I think that's what you're looking for in a good OL coach.. not someone who can get elite players to play well. You could bring almost anyone in if that's all you were looking for.

 

[Risen Star]

Tyron Smith was a top 10 pick and a freak talent. Is it really saying much that he played well at the RT position his rookie year?

Yes. He was a 21 year old rookie who should have been overwhelmed entering the league. He wasn't. He thrived under Houck's coaching.

The Cowboys have had a talent issue along the OL. The coaching has been more than fine. This is why Bill Callahan did absolutely nothing last year to fix the problem. He needs players.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Yes. He was a 21 year old rookie who should have been overwhelmed entering the league. He wasn't. He thrived under Houck's coaching.

The Cowboys have had a talent issue along the OL. The coaching has been more than fine. This is why Bill Callahan did absolutely nothing last year to fix the problem. He needs players.

Should he have been? I think that's pretty much just your own opinion. Many scouts and teams had a very high grade on him for a reason, and again, being a top 10 pick and a freak talent like he is, and playing the less difficult of the two tackle positions, i don't think many people at all expected him to come in here and struggle just because of his age.

I have no doubt we need to upgrade the talent along the OL.. just saying Houck did nothing really to develop any kind of talent in his last 4 years here. I'll give Callahan more than 1 season to determine if he can do any better.. but it certainly looks like he's off to a good start with how Arkin is looking, guys like Kowalski and Leary could earn some substantial time this year, even Costa, etc. (Kowalski imo, deserves to start somewhere along the line this year.)

 

[Risen Star]

Should he have been? I think that's pretty much just your own opinion.

Yes. He should have been. We all work off our own opinions. You saying Houck was a problem is your opinion. I saw no change for the better under Bill Callahan to validate that. What I saw was another good OL coach who doesn't have the talent to succeed.

Give Houck talent, he'll do well. Same with Callahan. The Cowboys don't have the talent.

 

[Risen Star]

I have no doubt we need to upgrade the talent along the OL.. just saying Houck did nothing really to develop any kind of talent in his last 4 years here. I'll give Callahan more than 1 season to determine if he can do any better.. but it certainly looks like he's off to a good start with how Arkin is looking, guys like Kowalski and Leary could earn some substantial time this year, even Costa, etc. (Kowalski imo, deserves to start somewhere along the line this year.)

You have to have NFL talent to develop. The complete slop that has gone through Dallas at these positions in recent years weren't NFL caliber players. Who did we miss out on? Who left here only to develop into a real player somewhere else?

Arkin, Costa, Kowalski, Leary.....you are scraping the bottom of the barrel with these players. Not a single one of those guys has ever even flashed NFL talent yet. They're just the guys we have.

 

[Idgit]

Should he have been? I think that's pretty much just your own opinion. Many scouts and teams had a very high grade on him for a reason, and again, being a top 10 pick and a freak talent like he is, and playing the less difficult of the two tackle positions, i don't think many people at all expected him to come in here and struggle just because of his age...)

Top ten picks at OT are taken high *because* they are walk-on starters. Plus we moved him to the right side to make the transition easier.

Our biggest OL problems last year had to do with the shakeup to interior positions starting early in camp, playing our fourth option at Center, and the struggling at RT. Bernadeau's early surgery was an issue, too. The plan for our OL under Callahan is behind schedule, but they obviously have a plan they're comfortable with.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Yes. He should have been. We all work off our own opinions. You saying Houck was a problem is your opinion. I saw no change for the better under Bill Callahan to validate that. What I saw was another good OL coach who doesn't have the talent to succeed.

Give Houck talent, he'll do well. Same with Callahan. The Cowboys don't have the talent.

Im saying in only one year here, im seeing more improvement and development among our later round draft picks and UDFA's than in Houck's last 4 years here.. and that a top 10 draft pick who is basically a sure thing, elite talent with freak althetic ability playing well isn't much proof to most people that an OL coach is doing a great job. That's all. Not trying to turn this into a drawn out back and forth, so agree to disagree i guess.

Mainly i just objected to the people throwing the one poster under the bus because he didn't think Houck was doing a super great job in his final years here. Yes, he had been a great OL coach, but i think age caught up to him in his final stint with us.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Top ten picks at OT are taken high *because* they are walk-on starters. Plus we moved him to the right side to make the transition easier.

Our biggest OL problems last year had to do with the shakeup to interior positions starting early in camp, playing our fourth optin at Center, and the struggling at RT. Bernadeau's early surgery was an issue, too. The plan for our OL under Callahan is behind schedule, but they obviously have a plan their comfortable with.

Exactly my point.. and yes, there were alot of injuries on the line last year.