Bottom Line: Carpenter is a bust

[DallasGirl50]

He's definitely a wasted HIGH draft pick. Has done nothing. They should cut their losses and move on. Get somebody off the waiver wire.

 

[kmd24]

If by "bust" you mean he grades out worse than the average fan expects from his draft position, I agree.

If you mean he's worthless as a player, I don't agree.

If you go back and survey drafts from a few years ago, you'll get a better idea what your expectations ought to be for a player picked 18th in the draft. It looks like it's about a coinflip that guys around that draft slot (say 16-20) will be significant contributors four to five years after their draft.

 

[jchap]

I'm going to put on my blinders and hope he somehow gets it during the season

 

[jrumann59]

Was he a wasted pick probably but how many 1st rounders pan out to play to their pick status. maybe 30% on the high side

 

[Hostile]

Bobby should go. I swear, I've never seen a guy more interested in making sure he never hits the ground than him. He is never below anyones pads let alone delivering any kind of hit. Whenever he is ever near making a tackle, all he does is grab a guy high and tries to spin him to the ground.

I liked what I saw from Matt Stewart more so than Busty. Plus he can long snap and I'm sure he's much cheaper.

Brookings can still play the nickel and we do get JW back later. Bradie James may even be able to in a pinch.

I doubt he gets cut, but I sure wish he would.

Long time no see BF. Slumming?

:wink2:

 

[BlindFaith]

If by "bust" you mean he grades out worse than the average fan expects from his draft position, I agree.

If you mean he's worthless as a player, I don't agree.

If you go back and survey drafts from a few years ago, you'll get a better idea what your expectations ought to be for a player picked 18th in the draft. It looks like it's about a coinflip that guys around that draft slot (say 16-20) will be significant contributors four to five years after their draft.

If any player drafted in the top three rounds can't make the field other than in specialty situations after three years, then they are a bust.

If Bobby Carpenter lives up to your expectations of a first round pick, then I don't agree.

 

[BlindFaith]

Long time no see BF. Slumming?

:wink2:

I took a hiatus from message boards. ALL of them. But I thought I'd get back into the mix. Keep it down to one where the same 8 comedians aren't the only ones posting this time.

 

[Hostile]

I took a hiatus from message boards. ALL of them. But I thought I'd get back into the mix. Keep it down to one where the same 8 comedians aren't the only ones posting this time.

Well, it is really good to see you here. Hope you'll enjoy the season.

 

[Spectre]

Only the deaf, dumb, and blind would debate the bust part. Doubt he gets cut though.

4 year old post that got me reamed...

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62896&highlight=carpenter

I'd be nothing if I wasn't Always right.

 

[BlindFaith]

Well, it is really good to see you here. Hope you'll enjoy the season.

Thanks. Plus posting here more will save me from losing at online poker.

 

[JohnsKey19]

I dont understand why/how he can be such a soft player. He's certainly big/strong enough to mix it up, but this guy has no desire whatsoever to use his body to strike the opposition whether it's the ballcarrier or a blocker.

Seriously - how can Bobby go into the film room and not be thoroughly embarassed in front of coaches and fellow players after watching himself on film run away from contact at all costs? It's pitiful.

And what's this he's a "finnesse LB" jive. There's no such thing! LBs are physical by nature. This guy is going to cost us big-time with his inability to fill running lanes and strike ballcarriers.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Rudy played pretty well for a rookie free agent :laugh2:

 

[MONT17]

Buehler should be the starting nicklebacker

 

[kmd24]

If any player drafted in the top three rounds can't make the field other than in specialty situations after three years, then they are a bust.

If Bobby Carpenter lives up to your expectations of a first round pick, then I don't agree.

My expectation, based on data, is that a small percentage will fail miserably, a small percentage will play spectacularly, a small minority will be solid starters, but the majority will end up journeymen - marginal starters or career backups.

Carpenter is squarely in that majority. He's a guy that could start in the right defense (probably WLB in a 4-3), but you might always be hoping to replace him.

It would be great if he were a better player, and I am certainly not playing apologist for his poor run defense. The fact that most fans' expectations don't match reality probably explains the cognitive dissonance motivating the "he's a bust" threads that litter online forums.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

I liked what I saw from Matt Stewart more so than Busty. Plus he can long snap and I'm sure he's much cheaper.

I noticed him too. He made a great tackle in coverage near the goaline. Barbie can’t play. Anyone with eyes can see that. Maybe a shot in a 4-3 Defense would help.

 

[casmith07]

Miraculous insight. It's like Vince Lombardi reincarnated!

 

[Hostile]

Thanks. Plus posting here more will save me from losing at online poker.

There's a thread I posted in the Off Topic Zone about a bad beat I took. I have not been able to play online poker since.

 

[AtlCB]

He should be cut today

Bobbie Carpenter is one of the top - if not the top - coverage linebacker on this team. He is a horrible tackler and is one-dimensional, but the team needs a coverage linebacker to play in the nickle. Since Burnett left, Carpenter is the best player left for the nickle coverage linebacker position.

 

[BlindFaith]

My expectation, based on data, is that a small percentage will fail miserably, a small percentage will play spectacularly, a small minority will be solid starters, but the majority will end up journeymen - marginal starters or career backups.

Carpenter is squarely in that majority. He's a guy that could start in the right defense (probably WLB in a 4-3), but you might always be hoping to replace him.

It would be great if he were a better player, and I am certainly not playing apologist for his poor run defense. The fact that most fans' expectations don't match reality probably explains the cognitive dissonance motivating the "he's a bust" threads that litter online forums.

You should really check your data then. Going back to the 1999 draft, through the 2006 draft, over 35% of the picks ended up in at least one pro bowl. That would be playing spectacularly to me and 35% is not a small percentage.

I would also say that by looking through the picks that another 30% have ended up being solid starters.

I would also say that only around 15% have failed miserably.

That leaves the remaining 20% as the journey men type that start here and there, back up here and there, key special teamers ... that type.

So your numbers simply are not credible.

Bobby is in the 15% (fail) right now, he may break through to the 20% (journey men) some day.

If you don't end up with a starter in the first round, it's a bust. Bobby will never start in this league.

 

[arglebargle]

BlindFaith, are you considering all 1st round picks in your 35/30/...% etc numbers, or is that for the back half of the first round. My understanding of the draft is that each year there are a certain number of blue chippers, that everyone agrees on, and that number varies each year. But it generally seems to be a number in the teens. So the back half of the first round should be qualitatively different from the first half, even with the obligatory Raiders miscues.

Really though, Carpenter was just another of Parcells' pet cats that didn't pan out. When the Cowboys followed Parcells system of drafting, they seemed to do well; when he picked the guy himself, not so good.