Bottom line is Jerry has bumbled the Dak negotiations

[CowboyRoy]

No, im saying a lot of players fell below him who i used to have above, and not many (if any) surpassed him. So hes only going up the list

So your saying good QB's get old and young QB get better? The natural progression of good QB's.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

So your saying good QB's get old and young QB get better? The natural progression of good QB's.

again no, we’re in a unique time in NFL history where the young QBs entering arent properly supplanting the old QBs leaving, and Dak is benefitting from the situation

 

[Diehardblues]

again no, we’re in a unique time in NFL history where the young QBs entering arent properly supplanting the old QBs leaving, and Dak is benefitting from the situation

In other words you’re claiming Daks pecking order has moved up due solely to those above him who are no longer in the league. It has nothing to do with his progression or those new QB’s entering the league that haven’t performed better than him??

 

[CowboyRoy]

If i had thought the Cowboys low balled Dak anytime in the last 2 years i would agree with you but the truth is they didn't. He was reportedly offerred fair contracts (top 3 money) in both in 2019 and 2020, and he or his agent turned them down. Give Dak the transition tag and let him look elsewhere to see what his value is...the Cowboys will always have the option to match any offer he receives and truthfully what could he be offerred ($$$ wise) that we couldn't match at this point? especially if reports are true about Dak asking 40-41m per season. From where i stand it is Dak playing the "greed" card and not the Cowboys playing the "cheap". I said it last year and i believe it this year too..Dak will again play on the tag this season....and that is where he belongs

Yawn.......................Dak was willing to sign for 4 years at 35 million. Just didnt want the 5 years.

But at this point they were both to blame.

 

[Diehardblues]

Yawn.......................Dak was willing to sign for 4 years at 35 million. Just didnt want the 5 years.

But at this point they were both to blame.

Yep. That 35 million for 4 years is looking pretty good now.

Ultimately it’s our organization responsibility to get the player signed.

Interesting how our ownership buckled to demands from other stars like Elliott but not for Prescott.

 

[CowboyRoy]

again no, we’re in a unique time in NFL history where the young QBs entering arent properly supplanting the old QBs leaving, and Dak is benefitting from the situation

Oline is getting worse, running game is getting worse, yet Dak is getting better and the offense is getting better. If Dak has benefitted from anything its the arrival of Moore and the firing of Garrett.

I have Dak top 7 and the way things are going will be in the top 5 if not there already. Definitely debatable what the order is in that top 7.

 

[Diehardblues]

It’s why market prices are the norm. What was matching the highest price in the league last year at 35 million per is already 3rd highest this year.

And will most likely be further down the pecking order in next couple years. And why the current market price doesn’t define the pecking order of QB’s in the league. Unfortunately all fans can’t grasp this .

 

[Diehardblues]

Oline is getting worse, running game is getting worse, yet Dak is getting better and the offense is getting better. If Dak has benefitted from anything its the arrival of Moore and the firing of Garrett.

I have Dak top 7 and the way things are going will be in the top 5 if not there already. Definitely debatable what the order is in that top 7.

Although Moore was hired as OC in Garrett’s final season when we actually begun seeing more progression with Dak .

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

In other words you’re claiming Daks pecking order has moved up due solely to those above him who are no longer in the league. It has nothing to do with his progression or those new QB’s entering the league that haven’t performed better than him??

I was using a 2 year window since 2018 in a previous post that was asking if Dak was top 10.

since 2018, what young QBs have jumped Dak or fallen below Dak? Mahomes just threw 50 tds that year and was top 3 at least. Are you saying he’s now below Dak? Deshaun Watson just had a huge year, and was considered top 10. Has he fallen so far? Wilson was already who he is with the ring and playoff wins, those guys have all held pat, nothing changed in those positions.

Who are the QBs that since 2018 have jumped Dak? Lamar Jackson won the 2019 MVP, but his 2020 was inferior to Dak’s 2019-2020. Josh Allen has played really well the last 2 years, you could make the point he jumped Dak. Who else?

Since 2018, some considered Carson above Dak, definitely no longer. Brees was above Dak, no longer. Rivers above Dak? No longer. Luck played in 2018, had a massive year and was above Dak... no longer. Cousins was putting up some good campaigns and was at least in the debate... no longer. Alex Smith same as Cousins, led the league in passer rating in 2017, now firmly below Dak. Cam was still being rated highly as he was considered salvageable at the time, it no longer. Derek Carr had that monstrous 2017, but has mostly been pedestrian since.

Ben Roethlisberger may be on his last year, and last year was the first full year in the last 6(?) where he didn’t throw 13-16 INTs, which Dak has never done, and his big resurgence year this last year still gave him a passer rating below Dak’s career average. Allen and Roethlisberger also played on dramatically better teams than Dak, an excuse people use against him for his early career success but don’t attribute to other QBs too.

My point wasn’t that no young QBs are ascending, but that the ratio of ascending QBs vs descending or retiring QBs is very much in Dak’s favor as far as a top 10 list is concerned.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Although Moore was hired as OC in Garrett’s final season when we actually begun seeing more progression with Dak .

Yep, when Jerry forced his hand. Garrett wanted the call his own plays and Jerry wanted Moore to do it. Moore opened up the passing game. With Garrett fully out of the picture, even with the Oline injuries the offense went to a new level the first 5 games with Dak last year.

 

[stiletto]

Yep. That 35 million for 4 years is looking pretty good now.

Ultimately it’s our organization responsibility to get the player signed.

Interesting how our ownership buckled to demands from other stars like Elliott but not for Prescott.

Still boggles the mind that they were willing to overpay idiot RB Zeke but won't give in to Prescott's demands. I do think both sides are being difficult but if you don't have a full proof backup plan at QB, you pay your guy. $35 million would've been high at the time but look like a steal now. $40 million will look like a steal after the new Amazon deal also. QB's will be getting paid north of $55 million in two years.

 

[speedkilz88]

Still boggles the mind that they were willing to overpay idiot RB Zeke but won't give in to Prescott's demands. I do think both sides are being difficult but if you don't have a full proof backup plan at QB, you pay your guy. $35 million would've been high at the time but look like a steal now. $40 million will look like a steal after the new Amazon deal also. QB's will be getting paid north of $55 million in two years.

It was never about the money. Dak's agent wanted a short deal to double dip when the new tv contracts kicked in. Cowboys wanted a longer deal to spread out signing bonus.

 

[stiletto]

It was never about the money. Dak's agent wanted a short deal to double dip when the new tv contracts kicked in.

I'm sure there is some greed on both sides. Not sure I blame them. When QB's start reneg'ing on all their deals when the cap goes to $400 million in two years, your client needs to be in a good position. Makes sense.

 

[CATCH17]

Still boggles the mind that they were willing to overpay idiot RB Zeke but won't give in to Prescott's demands. I do think both sides are being difficult but if you don't have a full proof backup plan at QB, you pay your guy. $35 million would've been high at the time but look like a steal now. $40 million will look like a steal after the new Amazon deal also. QB's will be getting paid north of $55 million in two years.

35 million doesn't look like a steal. It's still getting ripped off. The problem is the QB market is so inflated but if you pay an elite QB 35 million in this market then it's still going to be difficult to win something with them. You pay a Dak? Just call it quits and accept your mediocrity.

For a team to have a chance at a Superbowl with Dak he needs to be about 20 million. If you want to be nice then give him 25.

The market is a team crusher though because too many teams are treating their QB like they are Patrick Mahomes.

Now we're starting to see all of these guys that Dak was supposed to get paid like either trying to leave their situation or getting traded. These teams or the players know they can't get it done with a QB taking up that space.



It should be obvious to everyone but some people somehow still do not comprehend how bad these contracts are for your team and will blame other things like not drafting perfectly or whatever.

It's bad times around here and the Cowboys are going nowhere with Dak Prescott as their QB.

It would be difficult to win with an elite QB making this kind of money.. Much less Dak.

Not to mention.. Dallas is a team trending down quick.

 

[kskboys]

It’s why market prices are the norm. What was matching the highest price in the league last year at 35 million per is already 3rd highest this year.

And will most likely be further down the pecking order in next couple years. And why the current market price doesn’t define the pecking order of QB’s in the league. Unfortunately all fans can’t grasp this .

There's a ton of things fans don't grasp. One of them is that what is true today may not be true tomorrow.

 

[kskboys]

I was using a 2 year window since 2018 in a previous post that was asking if Dak was top 10.

since 2018, what young QBs have jumped Dak or fallen below Dak? Mahomes just threw 50 tds that year and was top 3 at least. Are you saying he’s now below Dak? Deshaun Watson just had a huge year, and was considered top 10. Has he fallen so far? Wilson was already who he is with the ring and playoff wins, those guys have all held pat, nothing changed in those positions.

Who are the QBs that since 2018 have jumped Dak? Lamar Jackson won the 2019 MVP, but his 2020 was inferior to Dak’s 2019-2020. Josh Allen has played really well the last 2 years, you could make the point he jumped Dak. Who else?

Since 2018, some considered Carson above Dak, definitely no longer. Brees was above Dak, no longer. Rivers above Dak? No longer. Luck played in 2018, had a massive year and was above Dak... no longer. Cousins was putting up some good campaigns and was at least in the debate... no longer. Alex Smith same as Cousins, led the league in passer rating in 2017, now firmly below Dak. Cam was still being rated highly as he was considered salvageable at the time, it no longer. Derek Carr had that monstrous 2017, but has mostly been pedestrian since.

Ben Roethlisberger may be on his last year, and last year was the first full year in the last 6(?) where he didn’t throw 13-16 INTs, which Dak has never done, and his big resurgence year this last year still gave him a passer rating below Dak’s career average. Allen and Roethlisberger also played on dramatically better teams than Dak, an excuse people use against him for his early career success but don’t attribute to other QBs too.

My point wasn’t that no young QBs are ascending, but that the ratio of ascending QBs vs descending or retiring QBs is very much in Dak’s favor as far as a top 10 list is concerned.

Well done.

We are finally getting some young guys in who can play in Burrows and Herbort and possibly rook Lawrence. We're seeing a changing of the guard, so to speak. Dak is top 10 during a tweener time.

 

[stiletto]

35 million doesn't look like a steal. It's still getting ripped off. The problem is the QB market is so inflated but if you pay an elite QB 35 million in this market then it's still going to be difficult to win something with them. You pay a Dak? Just call it quits and accept your mediocrity.

For a team to have a chance at a Superbowl with Dak he needs to be about 20 million. If you want to be nice then give him 25.

The market is a team crusher though because too many teams are treating their QB like they are Patrick Mahomes.

Now we're starting to see all of these guys that Dak was supposed to get paid like either trying to leave their situation or getting traded. These teams or the players know they can't get it done with a QB taking up that space.



It should be obvious to everyone but some people somehow still do not comprehend how bad these contracts are for your team and will blame other things like not drafting perfectly or whatever.

It's bad times around here and the Cowboys are going nowhere with Dak Prescott as their QB.

It would be difficult to win with an elite QB making this kind of money.. Much less Dak.

Not to mention.. Dallas is a team trending down quick.

The Salary cap is going to be probably around $400 million in a couple years. Mahomes, all of them will be getting new deals. $35 million will be chump change soon. $45 million for your starting QB will be chump change soon. It's all relative. Only 2-3 years ago, Drew Brees was the highest paid QB at like $25 million a year, people clueless like you probably thought that was ridiculous. LOL

 

[kskboys]

In other words you’re claiming Daks pecking order has moved up due solely to those above him who are no longer in the league. It has nothing to do with his progression or those new QB’s entering the league that haven’t performed better than him??

The NFL has always been up and down as to how many good QB's there are. At one point, Steve McNair was considered the 2nd best QB in the NFL due to there not being all that many standouts. Happens.

 

[CATCH17]

Well done.

We are finally getting some young guys in who can play in Burrows and Herbort and possibly rook Lawrence. We're seeing a changing of the guard, so to speak. Dak is top 10 during a tweener time.

Young QB's are the way forward. If they're elite or have won a Superbowl then by all means participate in this stupid QB market.

A non elite / Non championship QB though? A Dak? Why would you pay him? So you can maintain mediocrity?

 

[CATCH17]

The Salary cap is going to be probably around $400 million in a couple years. Mahomes, all of them will be getting new deals. $35 million will be chump change soon. $45 million for your starting QB will be chump change soon. It's all relative. Only 2-3 years ago, Drew Brees was the highest paid QB at like $25 million a year, people clueless like you probably thought that was ridiculous. LOL

I'm well aware of the cap increasing.

It doesn't seem to matter though does it?

WE use guys like Brees & Mahomes to validate paying someone like Dak... Just stop mentioning elite QB's when it comes to a Dak.

Dak is not even Tony Romo quality and we struggled while paying Romo to ever win anything.

If the contract didn't matter like you suggest then this thing would've been done ages ago.