Bradie James hit the nail on the head. We don't play rookies

[The Realist]

Can someone please name the rookie's who haven't been injured?

Are they playing?

Thank you.

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[AbeBeta]

If a player is showing enough to the coaches they will get opportunities just as Ogletree is seeing opportunities because he did wow them during the practice and they feel the packages he is in on are things they feel he can handle. Wade is not the only coach who does this most coaches are not going to throw players in unless they feel confident that player will do the job they are asking.

but again, these guys, especially Hamlin looked like they were ready to contribute before they got hurt.

 

[AbeBeta]

Can someone please name the rookie's who haven't been injured?

Are they playing?

Thank you.

STFFU

So why not put them on IR if you don't plan to play them after they've had a minor injury. Williams and Hamlin are both healthy scratches. Injury isn't keeping them out now.

Take it a step further and look at Johnson - he is new to our system, didn't practice at all until the season started, got hurt on like his first play being active, missed more time, and yet he's got some gameday snaps last week.

Is he playing? Yes. Seems like you are the one who needs to hop on the Shut Up Express.

 

[Doomsday101]

but again, these guys, especially Hamlin looked like they were ready to contribute before they got hurt.

how much of a set back has he had since the injury? All I'm saying is they base it on more than just a whim. If the rule was no rookies play then Ogletree would not be playing but he is, why?

 

[The Realist]

So why not put them on IR if you don't plan to play them after they've had a minor injury. Williams and Hamlin are both healthy scratches. Injury isn't keeping them out now.

Take it a step further and look at Johnson - he is new to our system, didn't practice at all until the season started, got hurt on like his first play being active, missed more time, and yet he's got some gameday snaps last week.

Is he playing? Yes. Seems like you are the one who needs to hop on the Shut Up Express.

Maybe the injuries weren't serious enough to need to put them on IR?

A broken forearm isn't a minor injury.

When you miss time due to injury you are kind of behind your competition both mentally and physically.

Takes time to catch up vs. guys who have been in the system for 3-4 years (Hamlin vs Watkins and Williams vs Bobby).

It really isn't that complicated.

We need OLB depth with Brandon on IR.

 

[Woods]

We have been playing several rookies in various roles, including Ogletree, Buehler, J Phillips, and Vic Butler. And I think J Williams played on STs a couple of games post his injury.

Of course, Mickens and D Smith are long gone. McGee is the 3rd QB, so he's not going to play, and Brewster is injured, along with B Williams at LB and Hodge at SS. And M Johnson is on the PS.

IMO, if B Williams and Hodge were not injured, they would have been role players this year. B Williams as a pass rusher and Hodge focusing on STs.

 

[AbeBeta]

Maybe the injuries weren't serious enough to need to put them on IR?

A broken forearm isn't a minor injury.

When you miss time due to injury you are kind of behind your competition both mentally and physically.

Takes time to catch up vs. guys who have been in the system for 3-4 years (Hamlin vs Watkins and Williams vs Bobby).

It really isn't that complicated.

We need OLB depth with Brandon on IR.

What do you mean "not serious enough for IR"? -- there are tons of players around this league who at this point are ready to go but were put on IR to start the season so they are done. These kids have been healthy but we aren't finding a way to make them active.

You want to foster their development you need them on the field .. even if it is for only ST play.

It really isn't that complicated

 

[SLATEmosphere]

I like the future of this team with all the young talent. Let's hope Jerry gets a stellar draft this year to reload!

 

[AmishCowboy]

Bradie was actually implying that it's tough for rookies to earn playing time because the veterans on the team are so good. It was a compliment to Ogletree for earning snaps.

 

[diehard2294]

some are ready to play right away, most cases you have a vet that is being paid high dollars in front of him

I also look at Miles and had my doubts, but numbers dont lie.

so if Roy doesn't get hurt we never know,or better yet we make the trade with the Jets and he becomes a stud for them and we all wonder why he barely saw the field for us.

put the best talent on the field, whether it's a vet or a rookie

 

[The Realist]

What do you mean "not serious enough for IR"? -- there are tons of players around this league who at this point are ready to go but were put on IR to start the season so they are done. These kids have been healthy but we aren't finding a way to make them active.

You want to foster their development you need them on the field .. even if it is for only ST play.

It really isn't that complicated

So who do you bench to get Hamlin and Williams on the game day roster?

 

[jobberone]

Good Grief. I've been watching pro football since the late 50s. Rookies play if they're the best player otherwise they sit. Or if the club has little choice.

 

[The Realist]

Good Grief. I've been watching pro football since the late 50s. Rookies play if they're the best player otherwise they sit. Or if the club has little choice.

There's a novel idea.

 

[Cowboysfan570]

but again, these guys, especially Hamlin looked like they were ready to contribute before they got hurt.

According to who, you? Fans see and hear a sliver of what the coaches do about any given player.

Hell, even Austin wasn't on the field more for good reason in previous years; between injuries and his occasional stone hands, he wasn't reliable. Once he played some more this year and showed he could be, he got that spot.

Jason Williams has been accepted by just about everyone to be a raw talent who needs to improve his technique a lot. In college he got by just on athleticism and that won't fly in the NFL. Despite this, he has played a few snaps.

Mike Hamlin might have shown some promise to the coaches, but when you have a starter with some years left at the position (Ken Hamlin) and you're not getting burned by his play, you don't play that rookie much.

Victor Butler is showing he can be a force as a fresh pass rusher later on in the game, but how is he against the run, and how about his coverage skills? Those are likely the reasons he isn't playing more right now, because he isn't good enough in those areas.

Call me crazy, but I figure Wade Phillips has probably forgotten a lot more about defense in the NFL than any of you weekend HCs know.

If somebody has shown it in practice, they're more likely to show it in games. If somebody HASN'T shown it in practice (which describes most of the rookies between injuries and raw technique) then they're much less likely to show it in games. Between that and how strong our starters are at many or most positions, that's why they haven't seen more time.

 

[Kobal]

According to who, you? Fans see and hear a sliver of what the coaches do about any given player.

Hell, even Austin wasn't on the field more for good reason in previous years; between injuries and his occasional stone hands, he wasn't reliable. Once he played some more this year and showed he could be, he got that spot.

Jason Williams has been accepted by just about everyone to be a raw talent who needs to improve his technique a lot. In college he got by just on athleticism and that won't fly in the NFL. Despite this, he has played a few snaps.

Mike Hamlin might have shown some promise to the coaches, but when you have a starter with some years left at the position (Ken Hamlin) and you're not getting burned by his play, you don't play that rookie much.

Victor Butler is showing he can be a force as a fresh pass rusher later on in the game, but how is he against the run, and how about his coverage skills? Those are likely the reasons he isn't playing more right now, because he isn't good enough in those areas.

Call me crazy, but I figure Wade Phillips has probably forgotten a lot more about defense in the NFL than any of you weekend HCs know.

If somebody has shown it in practice, they're more likely to show it in games. If somebody HASN'T shown it in practice (which describes most of the rookies between injuries and raw technique) then they're much less likely to show it in games. Between that and how strong our starters are at many or most positions, that's why they haven't seen more time.

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[2much2soon]

According to who, you? Fans see and hear a sliver of what the coaches do about any given player.

Its a huge, and I mean HUGE, mistake to think that anyone is infallible by virtue of their closeness to a situation.

Hell, even Austin wasn't on the field more for good reason in previous years; between injuries and his occasional stone hands, he wasn't reliable. Once he played some more this year and showed he could be, he got that spot.

Austin was starting to show some flashes earlier in the season. There is no guarantee he would of gotten the shot he did without Roy going down.

 

[Cowboysfan570]

Its a huge, and I mean HUGE, mistake to think that anyone is infallible by virtue of their closeness to a situation.

Austin was starting to show some flashes earlier in the season. There is no guarantee he would of gotten the shot he did without Roy going down.

I consider the probability that they make the correct choice given their combination of better information and far better qualifications to be well..far better than the probability that most of the people yelling for more playing time here are correct.

Which is really irrelevant to the point, because the thread is about us not playing rookies and as I and others have already demonstrated we do. Now we can have another go or you can just sit down, which do you prefer?

 

[BigStar]

Choice is a second year player. Why isnt he getting more playing time. Yeah Marion is the EMOTIONAL player that does very well sometimes, Choice is the more overall player. Maybe pass blocking is the key, but I would think that the more natural runner would get playing time, at least on first and second down