Brandon Carr, and contracts being handed out to CBs

[Galian Beast]

How much guaranteed money is left to paid out on his contract?

That represents his leverage.

Try 0

 

[Risen Star]

Is this the thread where we worry about retaining Brandon Carr?

 

[big dog cowboy]

Is this the thread where we worry about retaining Brandon Carr?

No it's too soon for that. There will be plenty of time for that rueage later.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Is this the thread where we worry about retaining Brandon Carr?

I think we restructure his contract and add more back end guaranteed money for later.

/Walks away like bad action film hero with the explosion behind.

 

[Risen Star]

I think we restructure his contract and add more back end guaranteed money for later.

/Walks away like bad action film hero with the explosion behind.

I like your style

 

[btcutter]

I think it's almost a sure thing. This is not a Free situation.
CB's are in demand this year and he can just wait this one out because a June cut gives us
no cap relief until June.

Issue with June cut is that by that time most of the FA money has been spent. Very few if any team would have enough to sign big money FA after June.
Cowboys have time to pick up a quality CB in the draft, sign a FA, renegotiate with Carr to a longer term deal with pay cut, just eat the contract and pay him or last resort cut Carr to get some cap space this yr.

 

[perrykemp]

Try 0

Looked it up on Sport-trac and it looks like the hit would be $4.7m for cutting him.

 

[LittleD]

Issue with June cut is that by that time most of the FA money has been spent. Very few if any team would have enough to sign big money FA after June.
Cowboys have time to pick up a quality CB in the draft, sign a FA, renegotiate with Carr to a longer term deal with pay cut, just eat the contract and pay him or last resort cut Carr to get some cap space this yr.

That's exactly what the Cowboys FO wants to do, I hope it works out for them.

 

[Kaiser]

He has no leverage. The Cowboys can designate him a June 1st cut any time they want to. Well after the money has dried up.

Exactly. Dallas has more leverage because they can wait until all the starting CB slots are filled around the league and then negotiate. They don't need the money immediately, they can use the savings from his contract for the draft class, the in-season reserve and a late signing (McClain?).

Carr has some leverage in that it would take 3 or 4M to replace him as a 2nd/3rd CB. But the team clearly has more leverage because everyone on Earth knows Carr isn't going to keep this current cap number.

 

[bevo11]

He is Anthony Henry, but paid a lot more. However, what is our alternative, Mo? Especially because this team has no respect for Sterling. Idk, but CB is def a cause for concern.

 

[xwalker]

Looked it up on Sport-trac and it looks like the hit would be $4.7m for cutting him.

They free up 8M in cap space for 2015 if they make him a June 1st cut.

They could wait until after the draft and get him a take it or leave it pay cut offer. By then other teams have spent the FA dollars and the market would be minimal. This is what they did when they forced Free to take a pay cut back in 2012.

 

[Alexander]

I don't think it has any affect on the Carr situation.

Every free agency period you'll see a handful of corners go off the board quickly for ridiculous amounts and then everyone settles back.

Listen to this man. If anyone knows cornerbacks, it is Winicki.

 

[speedkilz88]

Year Base Salary Sign. Bonus Res. Bonus Cap Hit Dead Cap
2012 $1,200,000 $2,000,000 - - - - - - - - - $3,200,000 -
2013 $715,000 - -$2,000,000 $2,717,000 $5,432,000 $22,300,000
2014 $7,500,000 $2,000,000 $2,717,000 $12,217,000 $16,868,000
2015 $8,000,000 $2,000,000 $2,717,000 $12,717,000 $12,151,000
2016 $9,100,000 $2,000,000 $2,717,000 $13,817,000 -$7,434,000
2017 $10,000,000 - - - - - - - - $2,717,000 $12,717,000 $2,717,000
2018 UFA

 

[Galian Beast]

Looked it up on Sport-trac and it looks like the hit would be $4.7m for cutting him.

Don't confuse dead money and guaranteed money.

 

[LatinMind]

Mickey Spagnola ‏@Spags52 12m12 minutes ago
RT @Rocho90: @Spags52 when will the Cowboys talk to Brandon Carr about reducing his salary...will be patient, only talking $3-$4 M likely

So Carr's cap charge would be 8-9mil this yr.

 

[speedkilz88]

Yeah, I think cutting his salary in half is about low as you could get him. They got Doug Free down to 3.5 avg over two seasons.

 

[Nation]

Corners getting paid today don't really apply to Carr. We could cut him at the end of training camp if we see fit, and there is no cap upside in releasing him prior to June 1st. All of this after free agency money has dried up.

 

[Nightman]

Mickey Spagnola ‏@Spags52 12m12 minutes ago
RT @Rocho90: @Spags52 when will the Cowboys talk to Brandon Carr about reducing his salary...will be patient, only talking $3-$4 M likely

So Carr's cap charge would be 8-9mil this yr.

If they don't think Claiborne will be healthy they should go for the pay cut with Carr as insurance. If the CB market completely crumbles they could look to replace him entirely. Maybe they could get Revis......jk

 

[daveferr33]

Don't confuse dead money and guaranteed money.

Then please clear this up. When I look at overthecap, he is scheduled the following pro-rated bonus payouts:

2015: $4,717,000 (2 million original bonus + 2,717,000 restructured bonus)
2015: $4,717,000 (2 million original bonus + 2,717,000 restructured bonus)
2016: $2,717,000

Of course those number add up to the total dead money ($12,151,000).

So are you telling us that Carr is not guaranteed his pro-rated bonuses?

If you are, I really need to be set straight, because I don't believe that is the situation at all.

Instead, the Cowboys owe Carr Guaranteed money to the tune of over 12 million (the same amount as his dead money figure). That means he has all the leverage in the world. If he's cut, he will get that money, (plus the money he gets from another team?).

Again, this is why routinely restructuring contracts to get cap compliant is a poor way to operate in today's NFL. It has real world consequences.

 

[Nightman]

Then please clear this up. When I look at overthecap, he is scheduled the following pro-rated bonus payouts:

2015: $4,717,000 (2 million original bonus + 2,717,000 restructured bonus)
2015: $4,717,000 (2 million original bonus + 2,717,000 restructured bonus)
2016: $2,717,000

Of course those number add up to the total dead money ($12,151,000).

So are you telling us that Carr is not guaranteed his pro-rated bonuses?

If you are, I really need to be set straight, because I don't believe that is the situation at all.

Instead, the Cowboys owe Carr Guaranteed money to the tune of over 12 million (the same amount as his dead money figure). That means he has all the leverage in the world. If he's cut, he will get that money, (plus the money he gets from another team?).

Again, this is why routinely restructuring contracts to get cap compliant is a poor way to operate in today's NFL. It has real world consequences.

Dallas doesn't owe Carr any more guaranteed money, zero. Those numbers are his pro-rated cap hits from his first 3 years.

He has been paid 33m but only charged for 21m against the cap. That difference is the 12m in dead money.

His salary for 2015 is 8m, if they cut him they save all 8m in cash. His cap hit stay almost the same though because all of the dead money would accelerate to this year.

If they June 1st cut him they will save his 8m salary in cash and against the cap. His cap hit will go from 12.7m to 4.7m. Next year he would have a 7.4m cap hit.

The problem isn't restructuring. The problem is when the team wants to cut the 10m CB they just signed. Those kind of mistakes should have consequences.